StreetScooby 5 #101 April 27, 2014 Quote investigators looked at a little thing called "Intent"... Specifically, mens rea, aka criminal intent. Federal prosecutors are no longer requiring this in some of their prosecutions, IIRC.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #102 April 28, 2014 kelpdiver *** Unless you are a fearmonger gun-o-phobe outside of the US. Then you can claim that having lots of guns and easy access to them appears to have aided in creating a pretty violent society. people all over make lots of uninformed (iow, ignorant) statements about other cultures and nations, and well beyond the ugly american tourists. It's not something to be proud of, Dekker. Oh look, quotes out of context and a dig. You must be proud of that, you betcha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #103 April 28, 2014 SkyDekker You must be proud of that, you betcha prouder than you should be for espousing ignorance. We're well well past the point of debating what the impact of liberalized CCW law will be. It's been trialed across the country without negative impact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #104 April 28, 2014 kelpdiver *** You must be proud of that, you betcha prouder than you should be for espousing ignorance. We're well well past the point of debating what the impact of liberalized CCW law will be. It's been trialed across the country without negative impact. lol - yes when looked at from inside the US and comparing within the US...agreed. Like I posted, from outside the US, murder rates and violence is pretty high in areas with CCW as well. So keep using those selective quotes...makes you proud...you betcha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #105 April 28, 2014 SkyDekker lol - yes when looked at from inside the US and comparing within the US...agreed. Like I posted, from outside the US, murder rates and violence is pretty high in areas with CCW as well. So keep using those selective quotes...makes you proud...you betcha You're continuing to defend ignorance. It's pathetic. Saying that states with CCW permits seem violent compared to Finland is intellectually as stupid as saying that countries with elephants in them are really hot compared to Finland. The same violence delta existed (and generally was much higher) in the years before the CCW change was made. It still exists in the areas that didn't make the change. It doesn't take a triple digit IQ to conclude that CCW is irrelevant to the matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #106 April 29, 2014 kelpdiver*** lol - yes when looked at from inside the US and comparing within the US...agreed. Like I posted, from outside the US, murder rates and violence is pretty high in areas with CCW as well. So keep using those selective quotes...makes you proud...you betcha You're continuing to defend ignorance. It's pathetic. Saying that states with CCW permits seem violent compared to Finland is intellectually as stupid as saying that countries with elephants in them are really hot compared to Finland. The same violence delta existed (and generally was much higher) in the years before the CCW change was made. It still exists in the areas that didn't make the change. It doesn't take a triple digit IQ to conclude that CCW is irrelevant to the matter. I agree. Though one may find that having very easy access to guns in a society does matter in the grand scheme. Hence, CCW doesn't appear to have a negative influence on a micro level. Easy access to guns appears to have a negative influence on a macro level. Which is what my comment was about. (And maybe you do need a three digit IQ to figure out that doesn't mean that banning guns in the US is the right answer) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #107 April 29, 2014 According to the www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm Department of Justice, some 230,000 guns are reported stolen every year. Since we may reasonably assume that only legal gun owners would report the theft, that not all thefts are reported, and that the theft is committed by a criminal, it would seem that legal gun owners are doing a fine job of equipping prohibited persons with guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #108 April 29, 2014 rushmc ******this is great the aniti gunners are apoplectic Blood in the streets and all the rest Predictions that will, once again, NOT come true Thanks Depending on where you are looking from, there seems to be lots of blood flowing. Yes Mostly in the places where the strictest laws exist Chicago easily comes to mind CCW is legal in Chicago.Shootings have increased a lot since CCW became legal in Chicago. Despite that, Chicago is not even in the top 20 US cities for homicides per 100,000 residents. Miami, Orlando, Nashville, Kansas City and Memphis all have higher rates.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #109 April 29, 2014 kallend Shootings have increased a lot since CCW became legal in Chicago. still cherry-picking statistics? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4624330#4624330 -- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #110 April 29, 2014 kallend According to the www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm Department of Justice, some 230,000 guns are reported stolen every year. Since we may reasonably assume that only legal gun owners would report the theft, that not all thefts are reported, and that the theft is committed by a criminal, it would seem that legal gun owners are doing a fine job of equipping prohibited persons with guns. So if we take the guns away from the responsible owners that still own them then we would be defenseless against the 1.4M guns in the hands of criminals. QuoteABOUT 1.4 MILLION GUNS STOLEN DURING HOUSEHOLD BURGLARIES AND OTHER PROPERTY CRIMES FROM 2005 THROUGH 2010Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #111 April 29, 2014 RonD1120*** According to the www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm Department of Justice, some 230,000 guns are reported stolen every year. Since we may reasonably assume that only legal gun owners would report the theft, that not all thefts are reported, and that the theft is committed by a criminal, it would seem that legal gun owners are doing a fine job of equipping prohibited persons with guns. So if we take the guns away from the responsible owners that still own them then we would be defenseless against the 1.4M guns in the hands of criminals. QuoteABOUT 1.4 MILLION GUNS STOLEN DURING HOUSEHOLD BURGLARIES AND OTHER PROPERTY CRIMES FROM 2005 THROUGH 2010 Hmm I thought Kennesaw was pretty much an EVERYONE carries zone.. I wonder where all those wannabes were when needed this morning. http://www.christianpost.com/news/kennesaw-fedex-shooting-6-shot-gunman-still-loose-118755/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #112 April 29, 2014 Amazon****** According to the www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm Department of Justice, some 230,000 guns are reported stolen every year. Since we may reasonably assume that only legal gun owners would report the theft, that not all thefts are reported, and that the theft is committed by a criminal, it would seem that legal gun owners are doing a fine job of equipping prohibited persons with guns. So if we take the guns away from the responsible owners that still own them then we would be defenseless against the 1.4M guns in the hands of criminals. QuoteABOUT 1.4 MILLION GUNS STOLEN DURING HOUSEHOLD BURGLARIES AND OTHER PROPERTY CRIMES FROM 2005 THROUGH 2010 Hmm I thought Kennesaw was pretty much an EVERYONE carries zone.. I wonder where all those wannabes were when needed this morning. http://www.christianpost.com/news/kennesaw-fedex-shooting-6-shot-gunman-still-loose-118755/ When I heard the news this morning I thought the same.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #113 April 29, 2014 as a condition of employment they don't carry while working.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #114 April 29, 2014 I've always had a local PD verify my used weapons purchases as clear. They've been surprised when I asked, but happy to run the numbers for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #115 April 29, 2014 rhaig*** Shootings have increased a lot since CCW became legal in Chicago. still cherry-picking statistics? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4624330#4624330 Nope - just the facts. 1. CCW is legal in Chicago, contrary to rushmc's apparent belief, and 2. Shootings are UP since CCW became legal in Chicago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #116 April 29, 2014 kallend Nope - just the facts. 1. CCW is legal in Chicago, contrary to rushmc's apparent belief, and 2. Shootings are UP since CCW became legal in Chicago. I personally blame the Twitter IPO for this. Chicago is full of angry investors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #117 April 29, 2014 kallend According to the www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm Department of Justice, some 230,000 guns are reported stolen every year. Since we may reasonably assume that only legal gun owners would report the theft, that not all thefts are reported, and that the theft is committed by a criminal, it would seem that legal gun owners are doing a fine job of equipping prohibited persons with guns. so .1% are stolen each year. Or in an entire decade, 1%! In any event, it sounds like you'd blame rape victims for being careless with their entire, and causing the unwanted pregnancy problem in America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #118 April 29, 2014 kelpdiverIn any event, it sounds like you'd blame rape victims for being careless with their entire, and causing the unwanted pregnancy problem in America. but only if rapists vote democrat - then that makes it ok - and they shouldn't have to show ID (too much?) do you mean their "entire attire"? (the whole ensemble) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #119 April 29, 2014 Apparently wackos no longer go postal. Now they go fedex. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #120 April 29, 2014 Andy9o8Apparently wackos no longer go postal. Now they go fedex. It's more reliable-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #121 April 29, 2014 rhaig***Apparently wackos no longer go postal. Now they go fedex. It's more reliable and cheaper than UPS ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #122 April 30, 2014 You have missed the media reports on how the mayor had the police dept tweek the data? Damn you make this fun"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #123 April 30, 2014 kelpdiver*** According to the www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm Department of Justice, some 230,000 guns are reported stolen every year. Since we may reasonably assume that only legal gun owners would report the theft, that not all thefts are reported, and that the theft is committed by a criminal, it would seem that legal gun owners are doing a fine job of equipping prohibited persons with guns. so .1% are stolen each year. Or in an entire decade, 1%! Nice way to miss the point. Legal gun owners, by their carelessness, are arming criminals to the tune of nearly 1/4 MILLION guns every year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #124 April 30, 2014 rushmc You have missed the media reports on how the mayor had the police dept tweek the data? Damn you make this fun As usual, you completely misunderstand what you think you have read.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #125 April 30, 2014 kelpdiver*** According to the www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm Department of Justice, some 230,000 guns are reported stolen every year. Since we may reasonably assume that only legal gun owners would report the theft, that not all thefts are reported, and that the theft is committed by a criminal, it would seem that legal gun owners are doing a fine job of equipping prohibited persons with guns. so .1% are stolen each year. Or in an entire decade, 1%! In any event, it sounds like you'd blame rape victims for being careless with their entire, and causing the unwanted pregnancy problem in America. There is a difference between blaming and stating a simple fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
