BHO's bogus birth certificate revisited

[jakee 1,255]

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The did try and bring her down
Just look back at posts on this forum and look at the viseral bs that came from those who swallowed the media bs

Given that the last few pages of this thread have seen people genuinely believing factoids about Obama that are not just untrue, not just invented but in one case an actual april fools joke, that's hilarious. Visceral? Read this thread.

But honestly, please do keep believing that it's all the media's fault and people like Palin are the true future of the Republican party. Election nights will be safe for the left for years to come.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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The did try and bring her down
Just look back at posts on this forum and look at the viseral bs that came from those who swallowed the media bs

Given that the last few pages of this thread have seen people genuinely believing factoids about Obama that are not just untrue, not just invented but in one case an actual april fools joke, that's hilarious. Visceral? Read this thread.

But honestly, please do keep believing that it's all the media's fault and people like Palin are the true future of the Republican party. Election nights will be safe for the left for years to come.

Unfortunately, you are correct in that assessment.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Bingo.

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[wmw999 2,123]

Looking at the CNN exit poll, I came to the conclusion that while Palin might not have cost McCain the election, she definitely cost him votes.

Why?

1. Let's say that 50% of the voters for McCain who said that she was important would not have voted at all without her. Based on the total votes numbers in Wikipedia (yea, I know, the electoral college means that's not the best way, but I'm way too lazy to go calculate effect on electoral votes), and in the "Palin was a factor in your vote" question on percentages.

Overall, 60% of respondents said that Palin was an important factor in their vote

Obama  votes                % saying Palin important factor

69,498,516                         43%

McCain votes                 % saying Palin important factor

59,948,323                         56%

if 60% of voters said that Palin was important (a huge number for a VP), and 43% of those voted for Obama (total of 69 million votes), that means that Palin affected 18,000,000 Obama votes.

McCain voters' affected by Palin was about 20,000,000.

Let's say that 1/2 of the Obama voters would have voted for McCain (who knows, but it's a number), and 1/2 of McCain voters would have stayed home.

Obama's number goes down by 9,000,000, ending up at about 60,000,000.

McCain's number goes down by 10,000,000, ending up at about 49,000,000 -- but it also goes UP by 9,000,000 (those Obama voters who I'm assuming would have voted for McCain), back to 58,000,000.

That's really, really close. And might have changed the outcome.

So a case can be made from the CNN numbers that Palin cost the election.

Remember that everyone who changes their vote counts for 2 -- one gone from the opposing candidate, and one to your candidate. Everyone who shows up only counts for one.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 58]

Written by a USMC Vet

( I can't argue with any of it. Passing it along as it was received. )

He wrote:

The American Dream ended (on November 6th). The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, Gays, Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood , uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers" have ended Norman Rockwell's America . The Cocker Spaniel is off the front porch...the Pit Bull is in the back yard.

The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and Chicago shyster, David Axelrod, along with international Socialist George Soros will be pulling the strings on their beige puppet to bring us Act 2 of the New World Order.

Our side ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, and the circus fatty Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing "post Sandy " tribute that elevated the "Commander-in-Chief" to Mother Teresa status.

People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will never again comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

You will never again out vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take Zealots, not moderates--not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status.

Those who come after us will have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to "white guilt" and political correctness.....

I'm done.

Dear Patriots: At least in “OUR” time, we knew and understood “Valor!”

It is, to that end, our lives will conclude as they were begun- “No Surrender” and God Bless America …………….

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 1,625]

I'm surprised a USMC vet would be such a whiner.

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kallend

I'm surprised a USMC vet would be such a whiner.

Hmmmm

takes one to know one?


Hardy
I think you are just projecting



AGIAN!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,123]

It sounds like the "former status" he's looking for is one where being a white male automatically gets you more power than being anything else.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[GeorgiaDon 340]

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The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, Gays, Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood , uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers" have ended Norman Rockwell's America .

I guess it all went to hell when they extended the vote to people who didn't fit the "white Christian male" model.

I wish I could say I'm surprised that you'd see fit to post such a blatantly racist rant. Perhaps you can also post a link to the part of the Constitution that says that only white Christian males are fit to vote? I'd also add that you'll probably want to limit it further, to white Christian males who came of age in the 1950s or earlier, as there are probable too many younger white Christian males who are complete repulsed by the drivel in your post. Yes I realize you didn't write it, but you posted it with the comment "I can't argue with any of it".

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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wmw999

It sounds like the "former status" he's looking for is one where being a white male automatically gets you more power than being anything else.

Wendy P.

A speech that talks about the erosion of individuality, personal freedoms, the PC takeover of societal questions. etc would ring true with many.

He really loses reasonable people when trying to tie that argument to his clear personal biases.

And it unfairly links those that do want to discuss those topics to people that are so clearly biased in non-related areas.

But this guy's note really doesn't fit the mold when he opens up that way. It's hard to give any credibility to the thing when he's grumbling in such a way.

it turned me off too, immediately

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[wmw999 2,123]

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And it unfairly links those that do want to discuss those topics to people that are so clearly biased in non-related areas.

I see what you're saying
so in other words, white men in leadership positions have to distance themselves publicly, right???

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rehmwa 2]

No - they have to take tirades like this.

1 - sincerely note that most people don't have such a narrow bias perspective. your statement that most have to "publicly" distance themselves. it's a subtle thing, but are you implying that that are all racists and 'privately' do something else? I disagree.

2 - but the erosion of personal freedoms is a potential problem for all, not just "Christian white guys". Everyone has a stake in it.

yes, individuality, personal freedoms, etc are now politicized as something horrible and leveraged to knee jerk and call people terrible names. Look at this site - hair trigger responses and name calling, GD's response out within seconds. but they shouldn't be.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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wmw999

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And it unfairly links those that do want to discuss those topics to people that are so clearly biased in non-related areas.

I see what you're saying
so in other words, white men in leadership positions have to distance themselves publicly, right???

Wendy P.

I don't get what you are trying to say here.

I'm saying something simple - this guy makes some really bad connections due his clear biases. Most people that worry about PC thuggery, erosion of individualism, and responsibility are not this way. It needs to be kept separate. He's an ass, he sees a problem, but quickly ties it incorrectly due to his biases. Since he did it so incredibly poorly, the discussion will get rejected instead of just rejecting his bias and looking at the base problem without the clutter


Edit: I reread his tirade - actually, he's not even making those points. there's some kind of cultural takeover message in there, but I can't really sort the wheat from the chaff.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[GeorgiaDon 340]

If you want to argue that "the erosion of personal freedoms is a potential problem for all", well I'm in complete agreement with that statement. Let's discuss these freedoms, and whether or not they are being eroded, and if so what to do about it.

What "freedoms" are under threat, according to the post Ron copied/pasted? Not one thing is specifically mentioned. All we learn is that the country has gone to hell in a handbasket because of all these groups of people (Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, Gays, Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood , uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers") now have a say in things, as opposed to the former situation which was dominated by "white Christian males". We don't know if the writer is upset about taxes, gun restrictions, teaching of evolution in the schools, gay marriage, license plates on cars, fluoride in drinking water, or any other issue of the day, because he mentions none of those things. All we get is that he hates it that non-"white Christian males" have a say in anything about this country.

It's clear that you object to anyone ever being called out as racist, no matter how blatantly obvious they make their position. I don't understand that, and am curious about your reasons. I'm certain that you do not intend that we should gravely nod our heads and seriously debate the proposition that we would be better off, as a country, if only white male Christians had a say in anything. Should we just look the other way, politely change the topic to boobies or something?

In other threads you take a stand against "politically correct" speech. Yet you get so upset when anyone uses the work "racist". I don't get it.

Now, I agree that labeling someone "racist" just to dismiss some point they are trying to make isn't helpful. So I read Ron's post again, to see if there was any nugget of anything concrete to discuss that I missed the previous two times I read it. I still got nothing. So I'm not clear what "personal freedom" I am supposedly politicizing and leveraging.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[wmw999 2,123]

I was taking a poke at the "all Muslims should publicly distance themselves from terrorists" folks; that's all. I was hoping the tongue-in-cheek icon was enough, but clearly I was a little too opaque.

Sorry

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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GeorgiaDon

Now, I agree that labeling someone "racist" just to dismiss some point they are trying to make isn't helpful.

So I read Ron's post again, to see if there was any nugget of anything concrete to discuss that I missed the previous two times I read it. I still got nothing.

1 - I agree with that first sentence. It happens way too often here. It's the first response regardless of topic. You found the marine to be racist (I found that, and a few other things too, that were objectionable in addition to just the one thing), then you used that to call Ron racist. I don't see why posters here don't get tired of that same old attack, every post, every thread. True or not. applicable or not.

2 - I reread that quote too and decided the marine really had so much bad stuff in there, that it's not worth trying to sort any wheat from the chaff. If any is hidden in there at all, it's likely accidental. But you didn't see that I already wrote that, else you didn't finish the thread before you composed that last post, or decided you were on a roll and posted regardless. no biggie - it's S.O.P. for many posters

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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wmw999

I was hoping the tongue-in-cheek icon was enough, but clearly I was a little too opaque.

nope, I missed it. I'm not so....as you say..."eloquent" or "subtle". perhaps Dan is right and more "boobies" would help me focus.

actually, now that you explained your intent - it's a pretty good one.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[jakee 1,255]

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A speech that talks about the erosion of individuality, personal freedoms, the PC takeover of societal questions. etc would ring true with many.

Yeah but dude, this appears to be a speech that advocates the erosion of individuality and personal freedoms.

The guy is pissed off that there are allowed to be people in power who don't look like, think like or believe like he does.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

Written by a USMC Vet

Yeah, sure it was.

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I can't argue with any of it.

There's nothing to argue with. It is essentially devoid of any content but the sour aroma of jealousy and impotent rage.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,255]

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But you didn't see that I already wrote that, else you didn't finish the thread before you composed that last post, or decided you were on a roll and posted regardless. no biggie - it's S.O.P. for many posters

And you didn't read Ron's post properly before calling out Don for his reply, so if I were you I'd call it even and move on

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

jakee

There's nothing to argue with. It is essentially devoid of any content but the sour aroma of jealousy and impotent rage.

Oooohhhhh
So he is a liberal

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,255]

rushmc

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There's nothing to argue with. It is essentially devoid of any content but the sour aroma of jealousy and impotent rage.

Oooohhhhh
So he is a liberal

This thread exists because liberals are winning. What's there to be jealous about?

And now we can return to our regular programming - Rushmc bitching about the elite

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

jakee

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There's nothing to argue with. It is essentially devoid of any content but the sour aroma of jealousy and impotent rage.

Oooohhhhh
So he is a liberal

This thread exists because liberals are winning. What's there to be jealous about?

And now we can return to our regular programming - Rushmc bitching about the elite



For ONCE, I think you got the spirit of my post!!!
Bravo!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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jakee

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But you didn't see that I already wrote that, else you didn't finish the thread before you composed that last post, or decided you were on a roll and posted regardless. no biggie - it's S.O.P. for many posters

And you didn't read Ron's post properly before calling out Don for his reply, so if I were you I'd call it even and move on

hey, just because we wasted a little bandwidth on both accounts....

have a good weekend

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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wmw999

clearly I was a little too opaque.

Nice.