airdvr 197 #1 February 13, 2013 Might have been some interesting testimony about the LAPD. Now we'll never know.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #2 February 13, 2013 Well, was he armed? Because that means he should have been OK. Or is it that if the police were there then everyone should be ok. Or...if he had military experience then he would've been deemed psychologically fit to...I don't know."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #3 February 13, 2013 QuoteMight have been some interesting testimony about the LAPD. Now we'll never know. Gee...maybe he could have picked up a phone & shot the LA Times an exclusive~ What we DO know is he picked up a gun & was shooting cops...they tend to try to discourage that, how did ya THINK it would end? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #4 February 13, 2013 FWIW, he was just too big to hop into women's clothing and slip through the crowds unnoticed; really nowhere to hide that guy. The online manifesto was a poor idea too. I doubt we'll ever know what pushed him over the edge, but lack of income is a likely catalyst. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #5 February 13, 2013 All I want to know is whether the cops that shot up the two middle aged and elderly hispanic women have been charged with reckless endangerment and assault with a deadly weapon yet. Wrong age, wrong gender, wrong ethnicity, wrong size, and without making any threatening moves. Yes, they were in a pickup truck, but it was a compact, not a half-ton, and of the wrong make and wrong color. If I had a white ex-girlfriend who drives a green Nissan Sentra make a death threat against me, and the next day I unloaded several dozen rounds into two elderly black men (and several nearby houses and other vehicles) because they were in my neighborhood in a red Toyota Avalon, you can rest assured I would absolutely be behind bars. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #6 February 13, 2013 Good point! I bet it gets no other media coverage even if they are charged. It makes them look real,real,real bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #7 February 13, 2013 Quote... If I had a white ex-girlfriend who drives a green Nissan Sentra make a death threat against me, and the next day I unloaded several dozen rounds into two elderly black men (and several nearby houses and other vehicles) because they were in my neighborhood in a red Toyota Avalon, you can rest assured I would absolutely be behind bars. Blues, Dave You would have "resisted arrest" and been "subdued" with, thank God, no injuries to the heroic officers who protectecd the public with their quick apprehesion of you, the gunman. You would be in the hospital. Or dead. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #8 February 13, 2013 Quote Quote ... If I had a white ex-girlfriend who drives a green Nissan Sentra make a death threat against me, and the next day I unloaded several dozen rounds into two elderly black men (and several nearby houses and other vehicles) because they were in my neighborhood in a red Toyota Avalon, you can rest assured I would absolutely be behind bars. Blues, Dave You would have "resisted arrest" and been "subdued" with, thank God, no injuries to the heroic officers who protectecd the public with their quick apprehesion of you, the gunman. You would be in the hospital. Or dead. The medals...DON'T FORGET THE MEDALS! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #9 February 13, 2013 You're going to have a hard time convincing me there was a credible reason to rain lead into that vehicle.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #10 February 13, 2013 I especially liked the "a suspect tried to exit the rear of the cabin but was pushed back in" part of last night's coverage of the roast. The way the fire was reported, one would think the police intentionally set the fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #11 February 13, 2013 Hmmm...Waco redux.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 February 13, 2013 QuoteI especially liked the "a suspect tried to exit the rear of the cabin but was pushed back in" part of last night's coverage of the roast. The way the fire was reported, one would think the police intentionally set the fire. There was never any question in my mind that he might actually survive his entry into custody. The fire worked perfectly in that regard. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #13 February 13, 2013 QuoteHmmm...Waco redux. And you really think that just by saying "Waco", like it's some kind of Battle Cry Of The Free Man, that that really makes it an apt comparison? It doesn't. He didn't just murder "combatants", he deliberately targeted and murdered 2 total civilians. My only regret is that he probably was able to euthanize himself with a shot to the head before the flames of Hell consumed him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #14 February 13, 2013 I fully understand how critical it is to deal with someone basically hunting other humans down and killing them.... It's just pretty scary to realize our own government kills it's citizens with no regard. We all be OK with this too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #15 February 13, 2013 QuoteI fully understand how critical it is to deal with someone basically hunting other humans down and killing them.... It's just pretty scary to realize our own government kills it's citizens with no regard. We all be OK with this too. With no regard to what, Mark? Due process? Believe me, I'm all about due process. But at some point the line gets crossed to where the rules of engagement become "lethality first". This was such an instance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 February 13, 2013 I will say that in this circumstance I believe the use of deadly force was authorized. He'd killed another cop and was armed. That's deadly force authorization. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #17 February 13, 2013 That"s exactly what I meant too. That was one determined loony. Wonder if he was insane? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #18 February 13, 2013 QuoteAll I want to know is whether the cops that shot up the two middle aged and elderly hispanic women have been charged with reckless endangerment and assault with a deadly weapon yet. Wrong age, wrong gender, wrong ethnicity, wrong size, and without making any threatening moves. Yes, they were in a pickup truck, but it was a compact, not a half-ton, and of the wrong make and wrong color. If I had a white ex-girlfriend who drives a green Nissan Sentra make a death threat against me, and the next day I unloaded several dozen rounds into two elderly black men (and several nearby houses and other vehicles) because they were in my neighborhood in a red Toyota Avalon, you can rest assured I would absolutely be behind bars. Blues, Dave yeah, I was actually wondering if they had the right cabin? Maybe he was in the red one a couple of doors down?If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #19 February 13, 2013 QuoteI will say that in this circumstance I believe the use of deadly force was authorized. He'd killed another cop and was armed. That's deadly force authorization. Plus he'd said some hurtful things about said cops, and didn't have the good sense to just whisper them. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #20 February 13, 2013 QuoteQuoteI fully understand how critical it is to deal with someone basically hunting other humans down and killing them.... It's just pretty scary to realize our own government kills it's citizens with no regard. We all be OK with this too. With no regard to what, Mark? Due process? Believe me, I'm all about due process. But at some point the line gets crossed to where the rules of engagement become "lethality first". This was such an instance. Yep. The due process ball was in his court. He could have surrendered at any point and received way more due process than he gave any of his victims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #21 February 13, 2013 Despite all of the technology advances of the past thirty years the "vehicle stop" remains one of the most dangerous situations in existence; when things go wrong it happens in seconds. Add in language and IQ barriers and it gets worse. It doesn't matter if you have the cover of a backup with a 12-guage or an APC with a 20-mm cannon whoever is the point is likely going down. That said this is sort of case lawyer's dreams are made of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #22 February 13, 2013 I was afraid for the cops during those stops....more so when they didn't check under any of the big trucks.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #23 February 13, 2013 QuoteQuoteI will say that in this circumstance I believe the use of deadly force was authorized. He'd killed another cop and was armed. That's deadly force authorization. Plus he'd said some hurtful things about said cops, and didn't have the good sense to just whisper them. Blues, Dave C'mon, Dave, you're minimizing. It wasn't good enough for him to kill an "enemy" who was arguably (albeit perversely) a "combatant". No, he had to hurt that enemy worse than causing his death by murdering his little girl, so the enemy would have to live with that. That's just pure evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #24 February 13, 2013 Quote I was afraid for the cops during those stops....more so when they didn't check under any of the big trucks.... Purely as an "incident analysis" aside, I'm curious whether the last LEO to be killed was wearing body armor.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #25 February 13, 2013 Quote You're going to have a hard time convincing me there was a credible reason to rain lead into that vehicle. Why would I try? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
