The "Why Republicans Lost" thread

[billvon 2,400]

>They gained nothing in the house or senate. Lets keep it in perspective boys and girls.

+2 in Senate (which is a big deal) +4 in House (which isn't.) I predict that, pending at least a reasonable outcome resolving the fiscal cliff, the democrats will see more gains next election cycle - simply because they are the party in power during the recovery, a recovery that GOPers have been saying won't happen under Obama. (BTW the economy will recover not because of Obama but simply because economies are cyclic.) And the "are you better off today than 2/4 years ago?" question is hard to talk your way out of.

However, come the next economic downturn the parties in power will switch once again. Invariably the leading party becomes more "ideologically pure" - they figure their election was a mandate, and thus they purge the dissenters. That happened with the republicans with the results we saw this election, it will almost certainly happen with the democrats as well. The other party absorbs those now-unwelcome elements, and with their support regains power.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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Since many political experts on here seem to know exactly why Romney lost, I thought it would be best to put all the reasons in one thread rather than scatter them around.

It was God's will.

Insha'Allah

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Liberals (Communists)

Because of bullshit like this that demonstrates how far out of touch with reality they have become.

Nope, it only demonstrates how acceptable communism has become.

Bwahahahaha!!! You wouldn't know a fucking Communist if you tripped over one on your way to a Bund meeting.

You know, you have used that exact same line, word for word to personally attack me before. If you are going to launch attacks, at least try and be original, as hard as I know that is for you.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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After all you Republicans get all that venting out of your collective spleens, I do hope y'all take a deep breath and then listen to some of the cooler heads in your party. It's not in the interests of the country if Republicans relegate themselves to an ever more balkanized role. There is a need for an authentic party of small government, to provide at least a counterpoint to "big government" thinking, but without the 1950's social engineering. Of course, then they would be Libertarians.

I'm heading off to work shortly. I went in to work yesterday as well, on top of putting in at least 10 hrs in the lab/office and another couple of hours working at home every day Monday to Friday. I generally end up supporting Democratic candidates, but I voted Republican and Libertarian where those people offered platforms I supported. When you (I mean you Gravitymaster, as well as CanuckInUsa, airdvr, and numerous others) say I vote Democrat because I am lazy and just want to sit on my couch and drink beer at your expense, IT IS PERSONALLY FUCKING INSULTING. You don't know me, you know nothing about what motivates me or how hard I work, but you take it upon yourselves to make self-righteous assumptions that only serve to make you feel somehow "superior" to everyone else. Then you can add in the anti-science and anti-education platform planks and undercurrent of the "modern" Republican party, and consider that I am a scientist and educator. My local Republican Congressman (Paul Broun) recently accused me of doing Satan's work.

Ask yourself this: if the approach of the Republican party is to insult me, at every turn, why should I consider them seriously to lead the government. If the position of the party is to insult or condemn everyone who isn't a white evangelical Christian, how can you hope to ever again obtain a plurality of the vote?

Don

Sounds like we struck a nerve there, Don. You may not believe in all those things lock step, but you generally support a party and an ideology that does.

[dmcoco84 4]

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There is a need for an authentic party of small government, to provide at least a counterpoint to "big government" thinking, but without the 1950's social engineering. Of course, then they would be Libertarians.

Stop calling it small government... its, Limited Government.

Its not about size... it is about scope of influence, OF POWER. It does matter, especially for those who have no concept of Founding principles.

[dmcoco84 4]

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That women are tired of that, hence Obama got the woman vote.

Wrong, it's because those woman don't know their Founding Principles.

This issue is easily resolved with the Constitution.

Who owns your body after God, You or the government? Same exact issue with Marijuana... both are Limited Government issues.

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GOP needs to forget about Row v. Wade and
move on.

Wrong... we need the Constitution.

R vs W... is right result, wrong reason.

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Personally both REPs and DEms are the same.

Correct, it's called Progressivism. Same cancer that has infected both parties.

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Both only concentrate on filling their own personal coffers via insider trading and off line deal making.

Study history, its called Human Nature... which the Constitution does the best job to prevent, instead of Crony Crap-itialism which we have currently.

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We need a new party (middle class party)

The Constitution has no classes, and Washington warned us about parties in his farewell address.

We need, The Pursuit of Happiness.

[billvon 2,400]

>Wrong, it's because those woman don't know their Founding Principles.

I don't think that "you do not have the right to say what is done with your body" is a founding principle.

>Wrong... we need the Constitution.

Yes, we do. The GOP has forgotten that of late. (One of the many reasons they lost this election.)

>Correct, it's called Progressivism. Same cancer that has infected both parties.

Also the 'cancer' that freed the slaves, gave women the right to vote, ended segregation, gave us the eight hour workday etc etc. Often not a bad infection to have.

>Study history, its called Human Nature... which the Constitution does the best job to
>prevent, instead of Crony Crap-itialism which we have currently.

You mean that ". . .to destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics" should be one of our priorities?

>The Constitution has no classes, and Washington warned us about parties in his
>farewell address. We need, The Pursuit of Happiness.

The Constitution has no guarantee of the "pursuit of happiness." It does call out the power Congress has to provide for the general welfare of the United States, though.

[BikerBabe 0]

They lost because of social issues. I don't care if the fox talking heads scream and yell all day about how those are "distractions" and not important and how it's the economy stupid. At the end of the day () those things ARE important. They are important to the people who voted.

They lost because the Obama campaign's ground game was 100 times better than Romney's. Heard about ORCA? http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/11/meet-orca-romneys-stcentury-turnout-program-that-wasnt-149186.html Maybe being a community organizer isn't such a poor qualification after all...

They lost because of the economy. Yes, the economy.

They lost because of demographics. there just aren't enough old white guys out there anymore. And before you point out Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, etc, realize that the minorities you're trying to appease understand and recognize tokenism hen they see it.

They lost because they live in a little bubble of information that is insular and impervious to penetration by actual facts. Think about it. If you spend your time around people who say and think the same things you do, of course you are going to be shocked when it comes out that there is a huge percentage of people who do NOT think that way.

I really do think the right wing media screwed over their own party this time around. Perhaps even on purpose, but I doubt it. While they are over there screaming about inconsequential things like LIBYALIBYALIBYA and birth certificates and is Obama a muslim and OMG SANDY!, Obama's out there getting votes from people about real issues. Real issues that people KNOW are real issues. If you really think that Sandy is the reason Obama won this election, you are a perfect example of what I am talking about. Just stop and think about how silly that really is.

THIS is what republicans hear every day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uqy5CBWjKw. If you actually believe that, and if you think this is what republicans should base their policies around, then you, my friends, are part of the reason they lost this time, and will continue to lose.

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[dmcoco84 4]

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Wrong, it's because those woman don't know their Founding Principles.

I don't think that "you do not have the right to say what is done with your body" is a founding principle.

Huh?

The Founding Principle, IS: Where do your rights come from... God or government?

If they come from God, as our documents say... Then who owns your body, after God?

I'll give you a hint, its not the government.

[BikerBabe 0]

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That women are tired of that, hence Obama got the woman vote.

Wrong, it's because those woman don't know their Founding Principles.

This issue is easily resolved with the Constitution.

Who owns your body after God, You or the government? Same exact issue with Marijuana... both are Limited Government issues.

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GOP needs to forget about Row v. Wade and
move on.

Wrong... we need the Constitution.

R vs W... is right result, wrong reason.

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Personally both REPs and DEms are the same.

Correct, it's called Progressivism. Same cancer that has infected both parties.

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Both only concentrate on filling their own personal coffers via insider trading and off line deal making.

Study history, its called Human Nature... which the Constitution does the best job to prevent, instead of Crony Crap-itialism which we have currently.

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We need a new party (middle class party)

The Constitution has no classes, and Washington warned us about parties in his farewell address.

We need, The Pursuit of Happiness.

I smell a Randian.

Am I close?

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[kallend 1,623]

Republicans lost because:

1. They pandered to the crazy extreme wing of their party for short term gain, but with negative effect over the longer term.

2. They insisted on labeling Obama as "socialist" and "communist" when anyone with more than half a brain can see very clearly that he is neither.

3. Didn't dissociate themselves from "birthers" or "Obama is a Muslim" or disown other absurd viral claims.

4. Proposed economic policy that violates basic rules of arithmetic, as anyone with more than half a brain could see.

5. They told the most incredible LIES, apparently without realizing that they would be called on them.

6. Hubris - assuming that the majority of voters were too stupid and/or too ignorant to check or see through the lies.

7. They believed their own pollsters.

8. Despite claiming to have the candidate who knows how to run a business, their get-out-the-vote effort was inept and ineffective.

9. Pissing off your women folk is NEVER a smart idea.

10. Jesus is NOT a Republican, no matter how much they want him to be.

11. Saying that your highest priority is to thwart the President instead of working for the good of the country might please the crazies on the right, but doesn't impress anyone with more than half a brain.

12. No-one wants to be told how to live their lives by a bunch of cranky old white men. Not even me, and I AM a cranky old white man.

13. Give me another day or two and I'm sure I can come up with more reasons.

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[billvon 2,400]

>The Founding Principle, IS: Where do your rights come from... God or government?
>If they come from God, as our documents say... Then who owns your body, after God?

The Constitution does not say anything about our rights coming from God.

If you are going to go around waving the Constitution and complaining about it, you should read it first.

[masterblaster72 0]

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When you (I mean you Gravitymaster, as well as CanuckInUsa, airdvr, and numerous others) say I vote Democrat because I am lazy and just want to sit on my couch and drink beer at your expense, IT IS PERSONALLY FUCKING INSULTING. You don't know me, you know nothing about what motivates me or how hard I work, but you take it upon yourselves to make self-righteous assumptions that only serve to make you feel somehow "superior" to everyone else.

Thank you -- very well-put. My sentiments exactly.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[dmcoco84 4]

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Also the 'cancer' that freed the slaves, gave women the right to vote, ended segregation, gave us the eight hour workday etc etc. Often not a bad infection to have.

Wow...

Teddy, started the progressive party and was the first progressive president. With Woodrow Wilson, a racist, who segregated the post office and re-segregated the armed services.

Progressives did not end slavery.

Women, technically, could and did, vote before the 1920s...

LBJ blocked the civil rights act the first time around, but was then given credit for it as President.

And bringing up things that come from Unions, shows you do not know what Progressive "principles" are.

If you support the Constitution, "Limited Government", you are not a Progressive.

[jakee 1,255]

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Since many political experts on here seem to know exactly why Romney lost, I thought it would be best to put all the reasons in one thread rather than scatter them around.

It was God's will. We are being punished as a nation for our decadence and entitlement mentality.

So how many people did god disenfranchise by making them vote a certain way?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[dmcoco84 4]

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I smell a Randian.

Am I close?

I have not yet read anything from Ayn Rand... I prefer the men of the convention, with original sources.

And I 100% believe in God, unlike her.

[dmcoco84 4]

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>The Founding Principle, IS: Where do your rights come from... God or government?
>If they come from God, as our documents say... Then who owns your body, after God?

The Constitution does not say anything about our rights coming from God.

If you are going to go around waving the Constitution and complaining about it, you should read it first.

Quade... would you like to jump in and yet again say that the DOI has nothing to do with the Constitution.

Because you are wrong.



And I said, DocumentS.

[kallend 1,623]

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And I 100% believe in God.

Well, there's your problem.

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[dmcoco84 4]

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The Constitution has no guarantee of the "pursuit of happiness." It does call out the power Congress has to provide for the general welfare of the United States, though.

You have no clue what the Pursuit of Happiness means.

And only one person came close in a previous thread, but couldn't finish it.

[OHCHUTE 0]

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Wrong, it's because those woman don't know their Founding Principles.

I don't think that "you do not have the right to say what is done with your body" is a founding principle.

Huh?

The Founding Principle, IS: Where do your rights come from... God or government?

If they come from God, as our documents say... Then who owns your body, after God?

I'll give you a hint, its not the government.

Then if the 12 year old girl who got pregnant out of rape prays to GOD she gets an abortion, along with her parents who pray also, then is it still your right to tell the girl she can't have the abortion by your law? I don't think so. The reason we lost this election is due to idiots who want to neb into other peoples business, cost us this election. GOP out of touch playing by a 50's rule book now that we're living in 2012.

"Reverse R v W the battle cry of the GOP. Give me a break.

Women have the right to consult with her medical provider and do what she damn well pleases with her body. One huge reason Romeny lost. But Romney had to appeal to the GOP leardership to get in the running with that crap.

Sorry the coat hanger is long gone. And we're not going back there as much as many want us to return to the past.

[dmcoco84 4]

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Then if the 12 year old girl who got pregnant out of rape prays to GOD she gets an abortion, along with her parents who pray also, then is it still your right to tell the girl she can't have the abortion by your law? I don't think so.

Yeah, um... I'm "Pro-Choice, Pro-Abortion", whatever label you want to give it.

Like I said, R vs W... is RIGHT (Correct) RESULT, wrong reason.

[jakee 1,255]

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Sounds like we struck a nerve there

Well done. So that'll help you win next time, will it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,255]

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You have no clue what the Pursuit of Happiness means.

And only one person came close in a previous thread, but couldn't finish it.

Well you just keep it as your own little secret then.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[dmcoco84 4]

I always wonder when you will bust in, Jakee. Good Stuff.

It will be posted soon. Its gonna need to come with some other aspects as well.

[billvon 2,400]

>And I said, DocumentS.

Ah. So you are one of those people who don't think the Constitution should be taken as-is; that it should be reinterpreted in light of other documents. That's fine. But it's a bit hypocritical to get all offended when other people do the same.