rushmc 18 #1 September 20, 2012 Why does Obama hate the middle class? Oh ya, cause that is where most of the money is QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class. The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises. The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jmIII4FgDvIW-bij_fdHF4v0Whbw?docId=48328c71af0241c39aef95fda77612f7"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 September 20, 2012 Told ya so. That refund check everyone was happy about from your insurance companies? That was a politically timed kiss, just before this non-lubed ass fucking that is coming.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #3 September 20, 2012 QuoteTold ya so. That refund check everyone was happy about from your insurance companies? That was a politically timed kiss, just before this non-lubed ass fucking that is coming..... Just another lie that is Obamacare Not unseen by many Problems ingnored by Obama tingley leg supporters"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 631 #4 September 20, 2012 I'm having to come up with $2000 out of pocket AFTER insurance. Feels like I'm being penalized! HELP! HELP! I'm being oppressed!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #5 September 20, 2012 Did any of the usual Right Wing Conservatives happen to catch the opening ceremonies at the London Olympics? Did you happen to note the very long (more than ten minutes) tribute to the NHS? The horrible "socialist" medical system the UK operates. The one that is WILDY popular with the general population? The USA is the only first world country that allows "for profit" insurance companies to provide medical insurance. 1/3 of revenue disppaears into administrative costs, and profits for the companies. Why is that a good way of providing health services? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 631 #6 September 20, 2012 Nevermind dental and eye care. Ever notice the British teeth? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #7 September 20, 2012 Like Ms. Brown, the Republican poster child for freeloading who didn't want to buy health insurance and then stiffed her health providers when she got sick?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 631 #8 September 20, 2012 Like the government plan that forces every citizen to purchase a product they can't afford or pay a penalty they can't afford and call it a 'fix'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #9 September 20, 2012 If they can't afford it, it is subsidized. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 631 #10 September 20, 2012 That's funny right there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #11 September 20, 2012 Quote Told ya so. That refund check everyone was happy about from your insurance companies? That was a politically timed kiss, just before this non-lubed ass fucking that is coming..... The refund check is also a contributor for future spiraling costs. Good job current administration. Way to further fuck up an already fucked system! PS. health care costs in MA still continue to grow at some of the highest growth rates in the nation. Great model for NoBama, Governor Twitt. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #12 September 20, 2012 Am I wrong? Please educate me. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #13 September 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhy does Obama hate the middle class? Oh ya, cause that is where most of the money is ***WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class. The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises. The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jmIII4FgDvIW-bij_fdHF4v0Whbw?docId=48328c71af0241c39aef95fda77612f7 Only 6,000,000 people out of a population of 313,000,00? Less than 2% of the population? That's great news, I'm sick of paying higher premiums and taxes for deadbeats that can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it. I don't know what it is with the GOP and 1%. It's hard to believe Romney came up with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #14 September 20, 2012 Quote Only 6,000,000 people out of a population of 313,000,00? Less than 2% of the population? That's great news, I'm sick of paying higher premiums and taxes for deadbeats that can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it. . Guess what, your premiums are going to continue to get higher, the same "deadbeats" who have been skipping on medical bills are going to continue to take resources from the system without contributing to it. Overall, the middle class individuals who are going to get hit by this tax weren't the ones that were skipping out on medical bills. They were young people, small business owners, independent contractors; that overall consumed little healthcare, and made their own decision that they budgets didn't allow for health insurance. I don't know where we got this stupid fucking idea that having everyone insured reduces costs, it doesn't, it raises costs because there is more demand, it just spreads it around. Enjoy your premium increases, because they are just getting started."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #15 September 20, 2012 QuoteQuote Only 6,000,000 people out of a population of 313,000,00? Less than 2% of the population? That's great news, I'm sick of paying higher premiums and taxes for deadbeats that can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it. . Guess what, your premiums are going to continue to get higher, the same "deadbeats" who have been skipping on medical bills are going to continue to take resources from the system without contributing to it. Overall, the middle class individuals who are going to get hit by this tax weren't the ones that were skipping out on medical bills. They were young people, small business owners, independent contractors; that overall consumed little healthcare, and made their own decision that they budgets didn't allow for health insurance. I don't know where we got this stupid fucking idea that having everyone insured reduces costs, it doesn't, it raises costs because there is more demand, it just spreads it around. Enjoy your premium increases, because they are just getting started. agreed. we will pay more for less. i work hard so i can provide myself and my family the best i can afford. going forward i will do the same but get less for my family so others can have more. but that is just fine with many. they see our nation as unfair and taking more from me so others do not have to do with less is justice."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #16 September 20, 2012 QuoteGuess what, your premiums are going to continue to get higher, the same "deadbeats" who have been skipping on medical bills are going to continue to take resources from the system without contributing to it. I thought six million people who are able to afford insurance but don't buy it will be the ones fined, Now they can't be deadbeats. QuoteOverall, the middle class individuals who are going to get hit by this tax weren't the ones that were skipping out on medical bills. They were young people, small business owners, independent contractors; that overall consumed little healthcare, and made their own decision that they budgets didn't allow for health insurance. Until 911 ask for a credit card number before they roll any help, and we both know that's never going to happen, people need to be responsible. The young have also seen a record rise in the number insured thanks to the affordable care act, and the sky has still not fallen. QuoteI don't know where we got this stupid fucking idea that having everyone insured reduces costs, it doesn't, it raises costs because there is more demand, it just spreads it around. You need not look any further than every other industrialized western country in the world that does it at a fraction of their GDP compared to the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #17 September 20, 2012 >You need not look any further than every other industrialized western country in the world that does it at a fraction of their GDP compared to the US. thats not apples to apples. are we going to stop immigration to the US like they do. they have a fraction of ours. we welcome people from the third world because historically speaking our nation was one of growth. So untill we have the same make up as Italy and France, you cannot make a fair comparison."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #18 September 20, 2012 Quote>You need not look any further than every other industrialized western country in the world that does it at a fraction of their GDP compared to the US. thats not apples to apples. are we going to stop immigration to the US like they do. they have a fraction of ours. we welcome people from the third world because historically speaking our nation was one of growth. So untill we have the same make up as Italy and France, you cannot make a fair comparison.Your argument implies that immigrants are the main cause of the high number of uninsured people, and the high per capita cost of health care. Do you have any evidence to support this? Canada has a higher immigration rate than the US, and if you've been there in the last 20 years you will have observed that the population is much more diverse than the US. Somehow they have managed to ensure that everyone is covered, and by every measure of performance (lifespan, infant mortality, 5-year survival rate after cancer/heart attack, etc) the Canadian health care system performs at least as well as the US, and for less cost. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 September 20, 2012 Quote you will have observed that the population is much more diverse than the US. seriously, comparing what part of one country to what part of the other country.... both are so big, that a generalized comment like that is just silly I want to compare the population of southern Alberta against, say,,, Brooklyn. Or how about Montreal vs, Northwestern Iowa.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CygnusX-1 42 #20 September 20, 2012 Quote Your argument implies that immigrants are the main cause of the high number of uninsured people Don It is amazing how some people look at statements through colored lenses. The statement does not say anything about it being the main cause. They are saying that it is one potential cause. But that is ok, you can look at my statements and come to the conclusion that I think that the main cause of our high costs are due to all the extraterrestrial beings using up our health care. They don't pay taxes. They don't contribute to our society. All they do is come to our planet and utilize our health care then leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #21 September 20, 2012 QuoteQuote>You need not look any further than every other industrialized western country in the world that does it at a fraction of their GDP compared to the US. thats not apples to apples. are we going to stop immigration to the US like they do. they have a fraction of ours. we welcome people from the third world because historically speaking our nation was one of growth. So untill we have the same make up as Italy and France, you cannot make a fair comparison.Your argument implies that immigrants are the main cause of the high number of uninsured people, and the high per capita cost of health care. Do you have any evidence to support this? Canada has a higher immigration rate than the US, and if you've been there in the last 20 years you will have observed that the population is much more diverse than the US. Somehow they have managed to ensure that everyone is covered, and by every measure of performance (lifespan, infant mortality, 5-year survival rate after cancer/heart attack, etc) the Canadian health care system performs at least as well as the US, and for less cost. Don I did not imply that. I gave one reason its not a fair comparison. Not the only reason. There are many. All I implied or more accuratelyl, all I stated, was its not an apples to apples comparison between tiny countries and our huge nation."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 September 20, 2012 Quote Canada has a higher immigration rate than the US, and if you've been there in the last 20 years you will have observed that the population is much more diverse than the US. Somehow they have managed to ensure that everyone is covered, and by every measure of performance (lifespan, infant mortality, 5-year survival rate after cancer/heart attack, etc) the Canadian health care system performs at least as well as the US, and for less cost. Don I think you'll need to substantiate that claim, Don. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada#Ethnicity per 2006, minority population equals 20% of the population. 2011 population = 33M, or basically California with a much lower level of diversity. Cities like Vancouver have seen a major increase in Chinese and other Asian populations, particularly during the period leading up to the end of Hong Kong as a separate entity, but that's just San Francisco decades earlier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #23 September 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>You need not look any further than every other industrialized western country in the world that does it at a fraction of their GDP compared to the US. thats not apples to apples. are we going to stop immigration to the US like they do. they have a fraction of ours. we welcome people from the third world because historically speaking our nation was one of growth. So untill we have the same make up as Italy and France, you cannot make a fair comparison.Your argument implies that immigrants are the main cause of the high number of uninsured people, and the high per capita cost of health care. Do you have any evidence to support this? Canada has a higher immigration rate than the US, and if you've been there in the last 20 years you will have observed that the population is much more diverse than the US. Somehow they have managed to ensure that everyone is covered, and by every measure of performance (lifespan, infant mortality, 5-year survival rate after cancer/heart attack, etc) the Canadian health care system performs at least as well as the US, and for less cost. Don I did not imply that. I gave one reason its not a fair comparison. Not the only reason. There are many. All I implied or more accuratelyl, all I stated, was its not an apples to apples comparison between tiny countries and our huge nation.Since immigration was the only difference you mentioned, and given that your posts are usually well written and your meaning is usually unambiguous, I assumed that you were attaching considerable importance to immigration as a factor in health care. If that wasn't your meaning I stand corrected. That being said, I can't see any reason at all why immigration would have anything to do with the low proportion of the US population with health insurance, compared to every other industrialized country. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #24 September 21, 2012 Quote QuoteGuess what, your premiums are going to continue to get higher, the same "deadbeats" who have been skipping on medical bills are going to continue to take resources from the system without contributing to it. I thought six million people who are able to afford insurance but don't buy it will be the ones fined, Now they can't be deadbeats. QuoteOverall, the middle class individuals who are going to get hit by this tax weren't the ones that were skipping out on medical bills. They were young people, small business owners, independent contractors; that overall consumed little healthcare, and made their own decision that they budgets didn't allow for health insurance. Until 911 ask for a credit card number before they roll any help, and we both know that's never going to happen, people need to be responsible. The young have also seen a record rise in the number insured thanks to the affordable care act, and the sky has still not fallen. QuoteI don't know where we got this stupid fucking idea that having everyone insured reduces costs, it doesn't, it raises costs because there is more demand, it just spreads it around. You need not look any further than every other industrialized western country in the world that does it at a fraction of their GDP compared to the US. Well, the gov't healthcare up here in Ontario, Canada didn't do much for my mother. As far as I'm concerned she died because the gov't can't afford to give anyone up here good, timely healthcare, and refuses to let us buy our own in the country (we have to go outside the country to get it).If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #25 September 21, 2012 QuoteQuote>You need not look any further than every other industrialized western country in the world that does it at a fraction of their GDP compared to the US. thats not apples to apples. are we going to stop immigration to the US like they do. they have a fraction of ours. we welcome people from the third world because historically speaking our nation was one of growth. So untill we have the same make up as Italy and France, you cannot make a fair comparison.Your argument implies that immigrants are the main cause of the high number of uninsured people, and the high per capita cost of health care. Do you have any evidence to support this? Canada has a higher immigration rate than the US, and if you've been there in the last 20 years you will have observed that the population is much more diverse than the US. Somehow they have managed to ensure that everyone is covered, and by every measure of performance (lifespan, infant mortality, 5-year survival rate after cancer/heart attack, etc) the Canadian health care system performs at least as well as the US, and for less cost. Don again, see my post above. the canadian health care system killed my mother by lack of funds for timely care. The system here means people die waiting to even see a specialist six months down the road....If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
