Clint Eastwood at the GOP Convention

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To the Liberal Democratic community, trying is more important than achieving. In other words, they just throw money at problems.

I know beliefs are more important than facts to you, but this can't hurt.

Blues,
Dave

But the fact is people are not working. People are worried. People don't think BHO has done a good job. As CE so aptly stated, we need a businessman at the helm not a law professor.

What makes you think a businessman makes a good president? Our last 5 presidents with significant business experience were as follows:
George W Bush (Harvard business major, at that)
George HW Bush (one term president foiled by economy)
Jimmy Carter (see Bush 41)
Herbert Hoover (often ranked in the bottom 10 presidents)
Warren Harding (consistently ranked as either the worst president of the last century or very close to it)

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[billvon 2,421]

>O'Blame-uh

Good name - the man all Republicans blame for everything. The drought, the hurricane, GM plant closures, the bailout . . . .

[mpohl 1]

What kills me, is that the GOP gave prime-time to an 82-year old lunatic. He had no script, no msg!!!

Anybody remember NRA Heston? Glad that he is gone! Too bad he couldn't take his gun-loving pals to the grave w/ him.

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(paraphrased because i was laughing so hard...)

CE talking to an imaginary BHO: "You want Mitt to do what to himself? I don't think even Mitt could do that...."

Just fuckin killed me

[kallend 1,640]

Well, I guess Clint's speech was the only memorable one on Thursday (no threads posted by the GOP faithful praising Romney's speech).

Not surprising, Romney's speech was bland in the extreme and totally devoid of any real content. At least Clint was entertaining.

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To the Liberal Democratic community, trying is more important than achieving. In other words, they just throw money at problems.

I know beliefs are more important than facts to you, but this can't hurt.

Blues,
Dave

But the fact is people are not working. People are worried. People don't think BHO has done a good job. As CE so aptly stated, we need a businessman at the helm not a law professor.

A juris doctor is good enough for you, at the helm, right?

Clint E.'s appearance was more than just awkward. I fully understand him, that's not the problem. I also heard somewhere for some people there is a secret friend called Harvey - but: Talking to an empty chair is ... is ....funny!

He's an etertainer. We all loved him on Rawhide, Dirty Harry and all his other movies. I still think, entertainers should shy away from politics.


Chuck

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To the Liberal Democratic community, trying is more important than achieving. In other words, they just throw money at problems.

I know beliefs are more important than facts to you, but this can't hurt.

Blues,
Dave

But the fact is people are not working. People are worried. People don't think BHO has done a good job. As CE so aptly stated, we need a businessman at the helm not a law professor.

What makes you think a businessman makes a good president? Our last 5 presidents with significant business experience were as follows:
George W Bush (Harvard business major, at that)
George HW Bush (one term president foiled by economy)
Jimmy Carter (see Bush 41)
Herbert Hoover (often ranked in the bottom 10 presidents)
Warren Harding (consistently ranked as either the worst president of the last century or very close to it)

Blues,
Dave

Graphs, opinions from history, they lack significance in the present decision making process. People cannot point to anything that BHO has accomplished that makes them feel good.

As Mitt stated, the last time you felt good about him was when you voted for him.

His is a watermelon economy, says Lars Larson. That is, green on the outside and red on the inside. Failed green energy projects as the smoke and mirrors, socialism as the true agenda.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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If Mitt becomes the next President, he's already said he would 'Free Wall Street'. The last time that happened... more than a million American homes went into foreclosure and close to a trillion dollars were lost in property values nationwide

No, that happened because some home owners were "freed" and lost all sense of proportion and responsibility.

The problem was that banks, they wanted to lend more and more money on shaky home loans, they found a way to shift the risk (unregulated derivatives) to companies like AIG. AIG and others insured trillions of dollars worth of shit. When the housing bubble burst, all the investment banks that were holding the bundled home loans were going to go belly up if AIG and others did not make good, if they didn't get paid by AIG, the banking system would collapse. Unregulated derivatives is what brought the world to the brink.

This deregulation was a bi-partisan affair.

Government failed us. What else is new.

People should be in jail. But they really didn't break any laws.

A lot of Executives of these companies should have base jumped out of their windows.

No bailout.

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>Failed green energy projects as the smoke and mirrors

Solar installations in the US in megawatts:

2010 Q1 152
2010 Q2 186
2010 Q3 187
2010 Q4 360
2011 Q1 276
2011 Q2 330
2011 Q3 472
2011 Q4 776

US's share of the global market for solar hardware:

2008 6.2%
2009 6.3%
2010 5.9%
2011 7.9%
2012 (ytd) 9.6%

Wind generation in the US in terawatt-hours:

2006 25
2007 35
2008 57
2009 64
2010 85
2011 120

If that's what the right wing calls "failed" we need more "failure" and fast. I don't know how much more GOP "success" we can handle.

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>Failed green energy projects as the smoke and mirrors

Solar installations in the US in megawatts:

2010 Q1 152
2010 Q2 186
2010 Q3 187
2010 Q4 360
2011 Q1 276
2011 Q2 330
2011 Q3 472
2011 Q4 776

US's share of the global market for solar hardware:

2008 6.2%
2009 6.3%
2010 5.9%
2011 7.9%
2012 (ytd) 9.6%

Wind generation in the US in terawatt-hours:

2006 25
2007 35
2008 57
2009 64
2010 85
2011 120

If that's what the right wing calls "failed" we need more "failure" and fast. I don't know how much more GOP "success" we can handle.

Like I said, smoke and mirrors. esoteric data means nothing to regular people. None of this makes me, my neighbors, my friends feel better about BHO.

None of these figures make "real" uplifting news. It's like the quarterback that passed for 300 yards but lost the game.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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data means nothing to regular people.

And here you have the GOP strategy for the fall.

Except, of course, when the esoteric or totally fabricated data is advantageous. Then it means everything.

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"Clint Eastwood became huge star as a man of few words As a surprise guest on the Tampa stage he had too many words (I say as a friend),"

- Tom Brokaw

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>Failed green energy projects as the smoke and mirrors

Solar installations in the US in megawatts:

2010 Q1 152
2010 Q2 186
2010 Q3 187
2010 Q4 360
2011 Q1 276
2011 Q2 330
2011 Q3 472
2011 Q4 776

US's share of the global market for solar hardware:

2008 6.2%
2009 6.3%
2010 5.9%
2011 7.9%
2012 (ytd) 9.6%

Wind generation in the US in terawatt-hours:

2006 25
2007 35
2008 57
2009 64
2010 85
2011 120

If that's what the right wing calls "failed" we need more "failure" and fast. I don't know how much more GOP "success" we can handle.

Like I said, smoke and mirrors. esoteric data means nothing to regular people. None of this makes me, my neighbors, my friends feel better about BHO.

None of these figures make "real" uplifting news. It's like the quarterback that passed for 300 yards but lost the game.

Interpretation: Facts mean absolutely nothing to GOP supporters. All that matters is to make Obama a one term president regardless of the damage they do to the country in the process.

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Like I said, smoke and mirrors. esoteric data means nothing to regular people. None of this makes me, my neighbors, my friends feel better about BHO.

None of these figures make "real" uplifting news. It's like the quarterback that passed for 300 yards but lost the game.

Illustrated fact: In the last 50 years, Democrats are consistently betterless awful at managing the federal budget and the economy.

Illustrated fact: In the last 100 years, Presidents with a business background have ranged between pretty bad and the absolute worst at their jobs, and the last three were especially bad at economic issues.

Illustrated fact: US alternative energy production is demonstrably greater now that it was previously, in both private investment and energy output.

Your response: "Screw you and your facts, they mean nothing! What about our FEELINGS?! " Rest assured, if emotions and feelings end up winning this election, it'll be a landslide for Obama over that out-of-touch, uninspiring, dull stick-in-the mud the Republicans are offering up.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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Then success is something Obama approves of. But he sure does not like successful business people.

If the USA was run like a business, most of the red states would be terminated.

www.thedailyshow.com/watch/fri-august-31-2012/rnc-2012---the-road-to-jeb-bush-2016---the-best-f--king-news-team-ever-audits-america?xrs=synd_facebook

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>Failed green energy projects as the smoke and mirrors

Solar installations in the US in megawatts:

2010 Q1 152
2010 Q2 186
2010 Q3 187
2010 Q4 360
2011 Q1 276
2011 Q2 330
2011 Q3 472
2011 Q4 776

US's share of the global market for solar hardware:

2008 6.2%
2009 6.3%
2010 5.9%
2011 7.9%
2012 (ytd) 9.6%

Wind generation in the US in terawatt-hours:

2006 25
2007 35
2008 57
2009 64
2010 85
2011 120

If that's what the right wing calls "failed" we need more "failure" and fast. I don't know how much more GOP "success" we can handle.

Like I said, smoke and mirrors. esoteric data means nothing to regular people. None of this makes me, my neighbors, my friends feel better about BHO.

None of these figures make "real" uplifting news. It's like the quarterback that passed for 300 yards but lost the game.

Interpretation: Facts mean absolutely nothing to GOP supporters. All that matters is to make Obama a one term president regardless of the damage they do to the country in the process.

The "2011 Q4 776" Megawatt output (presumably the nationwide total) is about the amount of electricity produced by a single small-city power plant. For example, Lakeland Electric, Lakeland, Florida, is capable of producing about 1100-1200 MW (Solar contribution is expected to be 5-6 MW with current plans). The 120 TWh for the wind generation installations represents about 3% of total (~4000 TWh) electricity consumption in the US for 2011. IMO neither failure nor success at this point, but it does represent the beginnings of an "all of the above" approach to energy supported by most folks, Dems and Repubs. But right now it's small potatoes and I'd guess we are going to be dependent on traditional sources for some time ...no matter who is running the country.

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anyone who gives their heart to politics is a fuckin' moron.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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> esoteric data means nothing to regular people.

Data means nothing to many republicans, perhaps. For most of us they're pretty important.

>None of these figures make "real" uplifting news.

True. Instead you could blame Obama for the drought, and announce that Americans are out of work and miserable - and _that_ will uplift a lot of republicans.

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>The "2011 Q4 776" Megawatt output (presumably the nationwide total) is about the
>amount of electricity produced by a single small-city power plant.

Actually that was new installed capacity in the last quarter of 2011. So we added one power plant worth of solar in just the last quarter of 2011, on top of the solar that's already out there. The trend is definitely in the right direction.

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Like I said, smoke and mirrors. esoteric data means nothing to regular people. None of this makes me, my neighbors, my friends feel better about BHO.

None of these figures make "real" uplifting news. It's like the quarterback that passed for 300 yards but lost the game.

Illustrated fact: In the last 50 years, Democrats are consistently betterless awful at managing the federal budget and the economy.

Illustrated fact: In the last 100 years, Presidents with a business background have ranged between pretty bad and the absolute worst at their jobs, and the last three were especially bad at economic issues.

Illustrated fact: US alternative energy production is demonstrably greater now that it was previously, in both private investment and energy output.

Your response: "Screw you and your facts, they mean nothing! What about our FEELINGS?! " Rest assured, if emotions and feelings end up winning this election, it'll be a landslide for Obama over that out-of-touch, uninspiring, dull stick-in-the mud the Republicans are offering up.

Blues,
Dave

Bottom line, people are not working. Green energy projects did not produce jobs or effect. Families are in danger. They see socialism being forced on them in a rapidly increasing rate. They see their Christian values being made insignificant. They see their beloved country being made subservient by an angry President. They believe something different must be done.

BHO had his chance and he failed. He should be fired and replaced.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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> esoteric data means nothing to regular people.

Data means nothing to many republicans, perhaps. For most of us they're pretty important.

>None of these figures make "real" uplifting news.

True. Instead you could blame Obama for the drought, and announce that Americans are out of work and miserable - and _that_ will uplift a lot of republicans.

Data only means something to those who analyze data. What is the percentage of such analyzers compared to the total number of actual voters?

This election, like all others, will be based on the emotions of the welfare recipients versus the emotions of the blue collar workers and the entrepreneurs.

I don't know where the "blame the drought on Obama" came from. This I know, he promised jobs, he failed. He promised socialized medicine, he won.

That is all I need to know to make my presidential vote.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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>The "2011 Q4 776" Megawatt output (presumably the nationwide total) is about the
>amount of electricity produced by a single small-city power plant.

Actually that was new installed capacity in the last quarter of 2011. So we added one power plant worth of solar in just the last quarter of 2011, on top of the solar that's already out there. The trend is definitely in the right direction.

Yes, "guesstimate" for total capacity for solar seems to be ~5000 MW (+ unreported small installations <1MW each). Actual 2011 usage for solar (from EIA) is 1.8 TWh (or ~5 TWh according to National Renewable Energy Lab). Either way, still a very small % of total usage for 2011. I would have guessed that solar represented a larger piece of the pie. So usage from solar sources is 0.015-0.04% of usage from wind and only 0.00045-0.00125% of total electricity usage in 2011, depending on which source is believed. Still very small numbers but yes, heading in the right direction. We are a very long way from replacing fossil or nuclear sources. Power plants will eventually replace fossil fuels at the pace they can afford. That may not be fast enough for some folks but as the renewable technologies become more reliable and cost-effective the pace will accelerate. Dumping boatloads of public cash into the "Solyndras" of the world is not the answer ...especially with the unseemly appearance of a political payoff.

Edit my error: Solar is 1.5 - 4 % of wind. Solar is 0.045 - 0.125% of total. Two orders of magnitude greater but still very small.

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Bottom line, people are not working. Green energy projects did not produce jobs or effect. Families are in danger. They see socialism being forced on them in a rapidly increasing rate. They see their Christian values being made insignificant. They see their beloved country being made subservient by an angry President. They believe something different must be done.

BHO had his chance and he failed. He should be fired and replaced.

How do you see your Christian values being made insignificant? If your values are affected by a President, you're doing it wrong. All this guy wants is for you to not force your values on me, as mine are slightly different (and vice versa). And our country isn't becoming subservient, it's just becoming a better neighbor. I'd agree that BHO's progress has been less than perfect, but his position is rather critical, so we probably shouldn't fire him until we've found a better candidate to replace him. Mitt Romney looks more likely to return us to the ways of GWB than to move us forward toward any goal we want to reach.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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And our country isn't becoming subservient, it's just becoming a better neighbor.

Speaking only as a neighbor, I think there was a serious heartfelt intent to rehabilitate foreign opinions, relations and perceptions about your country, addressed to a largely hopeful and receptive audience. Unfortunately, the reality has fallen very very short.

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Mitt Romney looks more likely to return us to the ways of GWB than to move us forward toward any goal we want to reach.

Referencing my statement above, if your suggestion is accurate, it will not serve America's best interest abroad.

Just my opinion.

John

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Bottom line, people are not working. Green energy projects did not produce jobs or effect. Families are in danger. They see socialism being forced on them in a rapidly increasing rate. They see their Christian values being made insignificant. They see their beloved country being made subservient by an angry President. They believe something different must be done.

BHO had his chance and he failed. He should be fired and replaced.

How do you see your Christian values being made insignificant? If your values are affected by a President, you're doing it wrong. All this guy wants is for you to not force your values on me, as mine are slightly different (and vice versa). And our country isn't becoming subservient, it's just becoming a better neighbor. I'd agree that BHO's progress has been less than perfect, but his position is rather critical, so we probably shouldn't fire him until we've found a better candidate to replace him. Mitt Romney looks more likely to return us to the ways of GWB than to move us forward toward any goal we want to reach.

Blues,
Dave

As I read your reply I conclude, you have proven my point.

It is going to be a close election. Our country is divided and we are in peril. If BHO gets another term it will get worse.

If Romney gets elected I believe we have a chance. We will not have a guarantee but, we will have a chance for growth.

With Romney as President, conservatives will feel a little stronger and the liberals will continue to whine. Liberals will whine regardless of who is president. It is just their nature.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Bottom line, people are not working. Green energy projects did not produce jobs or effect. Families are in danger. They see socialism being forced on them in a rapidly increasing rate. They see their Christian values being made insignificant. They see their beloved country being made subservient by an angry President. They believe something different must be done.

BHO had his chance and he failed. He should be fired and replaced.

How do you see your Christian values being made insignificant? If your values are affected by a President, you're doing it wrong. All this guy wants is for you to not force your values on me, as mine are slightly different (and vice versa). And our country isn't becoming subservient, it's just becoming a better neighbor. I'd agree that BHO's progress has been less than perfect, but his position is rather critical, so we probably shouldn't fire him until we've found a better candidate to replace him. Mitt Romney looks more likely to return us to the ways of GWB than to move us forward toward any goal we want to reach.

Blues,
Dave

As I read your reply I conclude, you have proven my point.

It is going to be a close election. Our country is divided and we are in peril. If BHO gets another term it will get worse.

If Romney gets elected I believe we have a chance. We will not have a guarantee but, we will have a chance for growth.

With Romney as President, conservatives will feel a little stronger and the liberals will continue to whine. Liberals will whine regardless of who is president. It is just their nature.

We have had continuous whining from conservatives since November 2008.

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