muff528 3 #51 July 5, 2012 Quote QuoteThe weather bureau says an extreme cold front has broken a series of low temperature records for Canberra, Goulburn and the Snowy Mountains. Another climate record? So you admit that globally the weather is getting more extreme, as predicted. Have an ice-cream. Well, when the weather yins in one part of the world it has to yang somewhere else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #52 July 5, 2012 QuoteQuote QuoteThe weather bureau says an extreme cold front has broken a series of low temperature records for Canberra, Goulburn and the Snowy Mountains. Another climate record? So you admit that globally the weather is getting more extreme, as predicted. Have an ice-cream. Well, when the weather yins in one part of the world it has to yang somewhere else. You have an ice-cream too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #53 July 5, 2012 Quote>I'm looking into buying stock in companies that make air conditioners. And ice cream! Who doesn't like ice cream? Well, I'm not sure if we will see an upsurge in ice cream sales but look at the markets that will be openen up for air conditioning. Particularly in the northern States where traditionally central air conditioning sales have been weak. We just need to start imposing trade tariffs so cheap products from China and other countries that have lower labor rates don't horn in on the jump in production from American companies. Heck, I might even create an a/c division for my company. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #54 July 5, 2012 >Particularly in the northern States where traditionally central air conditioning sales >have been weak. We just need to start imposing trade tariffs so cheap products from >China . . . . We've already done that for solar power equipment. It's getting so cheap that American companies couldn't keep up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #55 July 6, 2012 Quote QuoteThe weather bureau says an extreme cold front has broken a series of low temperature records for Canberra, Goulburn and the Snowy Mountains. Another climate record? So you admit that globally the weather is getting more extreme, as predicted. Have an ice-cream. Yep, the climate is extremely cold, hot, or extremly normal. To your point; the US is currently experiancing an unprecidened phase of no major hurricanes. NEVER IN HISTORY HAS THE UNITED STATES seen such a radical weather pattern! Time to pay the Chicago climate exchange billions of dollars. (So we can save the planet)….you are so adorable! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 July 6, 2012 It's the magical power of man-made CO2...there's *nothing* it can't do! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #57 July 6, 2012 QuoteIt's the magical power of man-made CO2...there's *nothing* it can't do! It can't make you and brenthutch open your eyes to reality.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #58 July 6, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt's the magical power of man-made CO2...there's *nothing* it can't do! It can't make you and brenthutch open your eyes to reality. You mean the 'flat temps since 98' reality, or the one that YOU live in? You know, the one where the 'models' not only couldn't recreate the MWP but didn't forecast the flat temps since 98?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #59 July 6, 2012 Quote You mean the 'flat temps since 98' reality, or the one that YOU live in? You know, the one where the 'models' not only couldn't recreate the MWP but didn't forecast the flat temps since 98? "'I'll take 'Type 1 Deniers' for $100, Alex" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #60 July 6, 2012 QuoteQuote You mean the 'flat temps since 98' reality, or the one that YOU live in? You know, the one where the 'models' not only couldn't recreate the MWP but didn't forecast the flat temps since 98? "'I'll take 'Type 1 Deniers' for $100, Alex" You'd be wrong, like usual: Link You can buy the crowbar to get your foot out of your mouth at any hardware store.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #61 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's the magical power of man-made CO2...there's *nothing* it can't do! It can't make you and brenthutch open your eyes to reality. You mean the 'flat temps since 98' reality, or the one that YOU live in? You REALLY are getting desperate. The global average surface temperature in 2011 was the ninth warmest since 1880, according to NASA scientists. The finding continues a trend in which nine of the 10 warmest years in the modern meteorological record have occurred since the year 2000. NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, which monitors global surface temperatures on an ongoing basis, released an updated analysis that shows temperatures around the globe in 2011 compared to the average global temperature from the mid-20th century. The comparison shows how Earth continues to experience warmer temperatures than several decades ago. The average temperature around the globe in 2011 was 0.92 degrees F (0.51 C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline. www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html www.nasa.gov/images/content/616910main_gisstemp_2011_graph_lrg[1].jpg... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #62 July 9, 2012 9th warmest since 1880??? What cause those 8 higher temps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #63 July 9, 2012 Quote9th warmest since 1880??? What cause those 8 higher temps? How much do you understand about statistics?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #64 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuote9th warmest since 1880??? What cause those 8 higher temps? How much do you understand about statistics? Can't you just answer my question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #65 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote9th warmest since 1880??? What cause those 8 higher temps? How much do you understand about statistics? Can't you just answer my question? Did you even look at the links supplied by Kallend? Temps go up, temps go down, on average they're going up. 2011 happened to be a "down" year, yet was still well above years since 1880. What caused those 8 higher temps? The exact same thing...global climate change. The change is not in question . . . at all . . . it's a 100% fact. It is absolutely hotter now than it was then. Absolutely. Not an opinion. Not a conspiracy. Absolutely hotter.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #66 July 9, 2012 >9th warmest since 1880??? What cause those 8 higher temps? The sun, the greenhouse effect of all the natural gases in our atmosphere, the temperature moderating effect of clouds, the total albedo of the earth's surface, and the additional warming caused by anthropogenic gases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #67 July 9, 2012 Looks like it leveled out for about 40 years between 1940 and 1980. If CO2 was causing the Earth to warm, why did it stop during that period? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #68 July 9, 2012 QuoteLooks like it leveled out for about 40 years between 1940 and 1980. If CO2 was causing the Earth to warm, why did it stop during that period? No reason it should be monotonic. In fact it would be stupid to expect monotonicity. Just an increase in the average over the long term. And that is exactly what we see.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #69 July 9, 2012 so then... air temps are going UP..... could the following fact be contributing??? nearly EVERY public or commercial building, constructed in the last 20 years HAS central Air conditioning... and many MANY residential buildings...( houses) also have CA.... so... while we are lowering the air temps INSIDE,,,,, doesn't THAT require that all these rooftop units, and hell... even window AC units,,, put out MUCH elevated exhaust air???? i'm no engineer, but i bet some of those large units HAVE to be dumping substantial amounts of "well heated air."..into the environment.... we all contribute to that,,, anytime we crank the thermostat DOWN...... Has the amount AND the elevated temperatures,,,of all this exhausted air gotten so great.... that it contributes to the rise in ambient air temps...??? just wondering... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #70 July 9, 2012 Quote so then... air temps are going UP..... could the following fact be contributing??? nearly EVERY public or commercial building, constructed in the last 20 years HAS central Air conditioning... and many MANY residential buildings...( houses) also have CA.... so... while we are lowering the air temps INSIDE,,,,, doesn't THAT require that all these rooftop units, and hell... even window AC units,,, put out MUCH elevated exhaust air???? i'm no engineer, but i bet some of those large units HAVE to be dumping substantial amounts of "well heated air."..into the environment.... we all contribute to that,,, anytime we crank the thermostat DOWN...... Has the amount AND the elevated temperatures,,,of all this exhausted air gotten so great.... that it contributes to the rise in ambient air temps...??? just wondering... Certainly the energy required to drive the air conditioner ends up as heat in the atmosphere. 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and all that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #71 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteLooks like it leveled out for about 40 years between 1940 and 1980. If CO2 was causing the Earth to warm, why did it stop during that period? No reason it should be monotonic. In fact it would be stupid to expect monotonicity. Just an increase in the average over the long term. And that is exactly what we see. Can you explain why it leveled out? There must be a reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #72 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteLooks like it leveled out for about 40 years between 1940 and 1980. If CO2 was causing the Earth to warm, why did it stop during that period? No reason it should be monotonic. In fact it would be stupid to expect monotonicity. Just an increase in the average over the long term. And that is exactly what we see. Can you explain why it leveled out? There must be a reason. Yes, there's no reason it should be monotonic. In fact it would be stupid to expect monotonicity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #73 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt's the magical power of man-made CO2...there's *nothing* it can't do! It can't make you and brenthutch open your eyes to reality. You mean the 'flat temps since 98' reality, or the one that YOU live in? You REALLY are getting desperate. The global average surface temperature in 2011 was the ninth warmest since 1880, according to NASA scientists. The finding continues a trend in which nine of the 10 warmest years in the modern meteorological record have occurred since the year 2000. NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, which monitors global surface temperatures on an ongoing basis, released an updated analysis that shows temperatures around the globe in 2011 compared to the average global temperature from the mid-20th century. The comparison shows how Earth continues to experience warmer temperatures than several decades ago. The average temperature around the globe in 2011 was 0.92 degrees F (0.51 C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline. www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html www.nasa.gov/images/content/616910main_gisstemp_2011_graph_lrg[1].jpg Ah, GISS... the database that's had to be corrected several times due to skeptics finding errors in it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #74 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt's the magical power of man-made CO2...there's *nothing* it can't do! It can't make you and brenthutch open your eyes to reality. You mean the 'flat temps since 98' reality, or the one that YOU live in? You REALLY are getting desperate. The global average surface temperature in 2011 was the ninth warmest since 1880, according to NASA scientists. The finding continues a trend in which nine of the 10 warmest years in the modern meteorological record have occurred since the year 2000. NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, which monitors global surface temperatures on an ongoing basis, released an updated analysis that shows temperatures around the globe in 2011 compared to the average global temperature from the mid-20th century. The comparison shows how Earth continues to experience warmer temperatures than several decades ago. The average temperature around the globe in 2011 was 0.92 degrees F (0.51 C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline. www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html www.nasa.gov/images/content/616910main_gisstemp_2011_graph_lrg[1].jpg Ah, GISS... the database that's had to be corrected several times due to skeptics finding errors in it. Yes, now all the errors they can find have been corrected or debunked, so we can believe it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #75 July 9, 2012 Quote Quote Quote 9th warmest since 1880??? What cause those 8 higher temps? How much do you understand about statistics? Can't you just answer my question? Because your question is irrelevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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