mnealtx 0
pirana 0
Put up a poll that appears you are genuinely interested in hearing people's opinions and I'll vote.
Looks like for this round all your options other than the first one are just snide commentary.
Looks like for this round all your options other than the first one are just snide commentary.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
mnealtx 0
QuotePut up a poll that appears you are genuinely interested in hearing people's opinions and I'll vote.
Looks like for this round all your options other than the first one are just snide commentary.
That's because the other 'options' aren't really options at all - they rely on the good graces of the person that is attacking you.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
QuoteQuotePut up a poll that appears you are genuinely interested in hearing people's opinions and I'll vote.
Looks like for this round all your options other than the first one are just snide commentary.
That's because the other 'options' aren't really options at all - they rely on the good graces of the person that is attacking you.
which was his point - yet again John put up a post that doesn't allow for any choice. There are certainly more options than begging or running for your life.
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuotePut up a poll that appears you are genuinely interested in hearing people's opinions and I'll vote.
Looks like for this round all your options other than the first one are just snide commentary.
That's because the other 'options' aren't really options at all - they rely on the good graces of the person that is attacking you.
which was his point - yet again John put up a post that doesn't allow for any choice. There are certainly more options than begging or running for your life.
Really? What other options other than running or having the *legal* ability to use force in your own defense are there?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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Really? What other options other than running or having the *legal* ability to use force in your own defense are there?
you changed "running for your life" to running, I see. So you already acknowledge at least a bit more of a spectrum of choices between run and fire.
mnealtx 0
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Really? What other options other than running or having the *legal* ability to use force in your own defense are there?
you changed "running for your life" to running, I see. So you already acknowledge at least a bit more of a spectrum of choices between run and fire.
Feel free to consider it written as 'running for your life' if it gets you to actually contribute something.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
JohnRich 4
QuoteWhy can't you run in your house?
How long will that keep an attacker from getting to you before you're cornered and trapped?
You can run from one end of a house to another, for most average-sized homes, in under 10 seconds.
What are you going to do after that?
In an outside scenario you're not limited by walls, and if you're young and quick enough, you might just escape.
The question is, should the government make running away a legal requirement, and prosecute any intended victims who dare to stand and defend themselves?
But hey, you're free to run around in circles inside your house of that's the strategy you want to use. It's a free country. Good luck.
JohnRich 4
QuoteCastle Doctrine should have been a choice here, no?
The context of the introduction was intended to make it clear that this poll was for self defense outside the home.
I also did not intend this to be yet another thread for arguing about the Martin/Zimmerman case - there are enough of those already. This is more of a generic self defense options topic.
I don't think anyone except skydekker expects people to be legally obligated to run away inside their own homes.
And kelpdiver complains that there are other options, but doesn't bother to offer up what those are.
So this is all just more of the usual funny stuff that goes on here.
toolbox 0
Since when is following someone against the law,unless they have a restraining order against you?
If I see a suspicious individual or group around the area, and I follow and watch them,but do not physically detain them,would that make me an aggressor and warrant them assaulting me?
If they assault me for watching them,do I not have the right to defend myself?
If I see a suspicious individual or group around the area, and I follow and watch them,but do not physically detain them,would that make me an aggressor and warrant them assaulting me?
If they assault me for watching them,do I not have the right to defend myself?
billeisele 122
IMO stand your ground is OK but here is my issue
I have this kid that I don't like, so I pack a gun and follow him at night, he notices me and gets nervous, he is afraid that I will jump him once he turns a dark corner, so he decides to protect himself and jumps me, the young kid is kicking my fat butt so I draw my gun to protect myself, now that the kid is dead my story is the only one that gets told
not stating that this is what happened but based on what we know it is possible
there needs to be a way to prevent this
I have this kid that I don't like, so I pack a gun and follow him at night, he notices me and gets nervous, he is afraid that I will jump him once he turns a dark corner, so he decides to protect himself and jumps me, the young kid is kicking my fat butt so I draw my gun to protect myself, now that the kid is dead my story is the only one that gets told
not stating that this is what happened but based on what we know it is possible
there needs to be a way to prevent this
Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.
mnealtx 0
QuoteIMO stand your ground is OK but here is my issue
I have this kid that I don't like, so I pack a gun and follow him at night, he notices me and gets nervous, he is afraid that I will jump him once he turns a dark corner, so he decides to protect himself and jumps me, the young kid is kicking my fat butt so I draw my gun to protect myself, now that the kid is dead my story is the only one that gets told
not stating that this is what happened but based on what we know it is possible
there needs to be a way to prevent this
The law doesn't allow you to draw the gun simply because you're losing the fight, so your problem is already solved.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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Really? What other options other than running or having the *legal* ability to use force in your own defense are there?
you changed "running for your life" to running, I see. So you already acknowledge at least a bit more of a spectrum of choices between run and fire.
You are kidding, right? Right?
*rolling eyes*
How about "trot around from room to room"
Waddle around....
Pussyfoot around....
..oh wait
Two reasonable options:
Fight or Flight
Two unreasonable options (to fall in with your 'spectrum':
Argue or Call his Bluff.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
Then you also heard him tell the 911 operator that he "didn't know where this kid is", which negates your theory. Hard to initiate a conflict when one of the parties isn't even there, wouldn't you say?
All this is immaterial to your attempted point, as following someone is not 'initiating a conflict'.
He is still the aggressor.
Then you agree that, given what we currently know, Martin was the aggressor?
And completely justified, if the aggressor escalated to deadly force like smashing the defender's head into a concrete sidewalk.
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706