dannydan 0 #1 March 3, 2012 anyone aware of this group stopping vehicles so far in Tn. ? Also something out there about "The STRIP ACT" trying to "rein in their over reaching of authority" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtiflyer 0 #2 March 4, 2012 Yeah Alex Jones has been covering this for a while. TSA are now setting up checkpoints on Roadways in the US. However TSA are not sworn Peace Officers, so really they are nothing more than a security guard with no real authority. Viva Revolution Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #3 March 4, 2012 QuoteYeah Alex Jones has been covering this for a while. TSA are now setting up checkpoints on Roadways in the US. However TSA are not sworn Peace Officers, so really they are nothing more than a security guard with no real authority....... ......YET (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #4 March 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteYeah Alex Jones has been covering this for a while. TSA are now setting up checkpoints on Roadways in the US. However TSA are not sworn Peace Officers, so really they are nothing more than a security guard with no real authority. Viva Revolution[/reply Do you have a source? Alex Jones is an idiot, I heard him tonight claim Obama killed Andrew Breitbart to stop him leaking info that Obama was a communist who is about to overthrow the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dannydan 0 #5 March 4, 2012 are you sure, cuz i don't wanna be the chicken little and create BULLSHIT posts... I mean Alex Jones, everyone knows that he's a conspiracy tinfoil hat type guy... ;P I had actually heard this on the FM dial from a one Michael Berry that was interviewing the congresswoman who has authored THE STRIP ACT legislation... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #6 March 4, 2012 If they tell me they want to search my car can I reply with "Show me a warrant?" How about just drive away? Can they chase me? This is only gonna get bad I can see it nowIf you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #7 March 4, 2012 QuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #8 March 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap. It's my understanding that they have been operating in cooperation with local LEOs. If I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wolfriverjoe 1,346 #9 March 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap. It's my understanding that they have been operating in cooperation with local LEOs. If I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then. Where are these supposed roadblocks? I'm out on the highways every week and this is the first I've heard of anything like this. I've seen the ICE (Border Patrol/Customs) guys set up spot checks here and there (and the permanent one down near Laredo TX) but those aren't any more than a quick look and a couple questions. I've also seen the "Drug Checkpoint Ahead - All Vehicles Subject to Search" signs that the cops put up. Those are a bluff. They put them up in the middle of nowhere and watch to see who gets off at the next exit (usually an exit that goes nowhere)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #10 March 4, 2012 QuoteIf I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then. Be careful, insulting an authority figure is grounds for a beat-down, tazing or, if you're lucky enough...a pepper spraying. The endorphins, oh the endorphins! I love it...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blkhwk91b 0 #11 March 4, 2012 If TSA is trying to stop you, you drive right by with your middle finger up. Seriously. Then if a real cop pulls you over as a result you sue the local municipality and the Federal Government. TSA are not sworn officers with ANY type of jurisdiction outside of an airport security check-point."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #12 March 4, 2012 *** THats my attitude against this. I deal with these TSA asshats everyday and the thought of them being on the road scares the shit out of me. *** THats when the fuck you show me a warrant line comes from me.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blkhwk91b 0 #13 March 5, 2012 Quote*** THats my attitude against this. I deal with these TSA asshats everyday and the thought of them being on the road scares the shit out of me. *** THats when the fuck you show me a warrant line comes from me. NO! no damn warrant! if a cop pulls you over it has to be a matter of simple probable cause!! Ask the cop how in the hell it can use a TSA worker as an agent of the government when that "agent" has no legal authority as a law enforcement officer. Then explain to the cop that any and all violations would fall under the fruit of a poisonous tree. If this type of scenario is really going on in TN. PLEASE PM me!!!! I will make some phone calls! (edited to add an underline to "really")"Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #14 March 5, 2012 Have you been stopped by one yet? http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/10/myth-buster-tsa-not-setting-up.html_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blkhwk91b 0 #15 March 5, 2012 Well that clears thing up. The TSA were, by no means, acting as Law Enforcement Officers, or enacting the powers there of. If they want to hand out pamphlets at a weigh station about what to look out for, then so be it. That is not infringing on your constitutional rights. You can throw the damn thing away. Big difference between handing out pamphlets and actively stopping people at a "road block"."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtiflyer 0 #16 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap. It's my understanding that they have been operating in cooperation with local LEOs. If I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then. Even then its still goes against the 4th Amendment (illegal search and seizure) They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blkhwk91b 0 #17 March 5, 2012 Quote They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Wrong. Road blocks have been deemed as constitutional in that they are not discriminatory as long as everyone on the road way is subject to the stop. Back to the main subject; if these were being conducted by TSA (which they are not) then you would have a HUGE jurisdictional/authority problem."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtiflyer 0 #18 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuote They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Wrong. Road blocks have been deemed as constitutional in that they are not discriminatory as long as everyone on the road way is subject to the stop. Back to the main subject; if these were being conducted by TSA (which they are not) then you would have a HUGE jurisdictional/authority problem. I still don't understand how you can search anybody without PC. Just because you do it to everybody does not make it right? How is it still not violate the 4th amendment? Not arguing just trying to get edumacated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #19 March 5, 2012 For now, Police do not have the right to set up a roadblock and search your vehicle without PC. They can ask for ID, smell your breath and look in your car window but that is about all they can do without PC or your consent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_checkpoint However, this will likely change as we move closer to a Police State and the continud trampling of our Constitutional Rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blkhwk91b 0 #20 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Wrong. Road blocks have been deemed as constitutional in that they are not discriminatory as long as everyone on the road way is subject to the stop. Back to the main subject; if these were being conducted by TSA (which they are not) then you would have a HUGE jurisdictional/authority problem. I still don't understand how you can search anybody without PC. Just because you do it to everybody does not make it right? How is it still not violate the 4th amendment? Not arguing just trying to get edumacated I never said they could perform an illegal search. The other poster is absolutely correct in that they would have to develop probable cause at some point to take it any further than a simple stop and greet scenario."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blkhwk91b 0 #21 March 5, 2012 Also, let me be clear. I am not going to argue whether check-points are right, wrong, or indifferent. My original input was with regard to the TSA issue."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sfzombie 3 #22 March 5, 2012 how different is that from having the national guard patrolling the skys conducting raids on mj grows? should be against the posse commitatus, they even have guys on the ground taking the stuff away, using military funding and operating on us soil.http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #23 March 5, 2012 QuoteI never said they could perform an illegal search. The other poster is absolutely correct in that they would have to develop probable cause at some point to take it any further than a simple stop and greet scenario. Yeah, but an unscrupulous cop can claim "probable cause" for just about anything. I was once getting a traffic ticket in Alabama. He requested permission to search, and I refused. The cop then claimed that I appeared to be nervous and that he could see a vein in my neck pulsating. He used that as an excuse to call in his backups, lock me in the back of his police car, tow my car off the highway to their lot, and search it. Finding nothing, they brought in a drug sniffing dog. Still found nothing. He was a Deputy Barney Fife type... The moral of this story is that just because they legally need probable cause, doesn't mean they can't just lie and invent it on the spot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blkhwk91b 0 #24 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteI never said they could perform an illegal search. The other poster is absolutely correct in that they would have to develop probable cause at some point to take it any further than a simple stop and greet scenario. Yeah, but an unscrupulous cop can claim "probable cause" for just about anything. I was once getting a traffic ticket in Alabama. He requested permission to search, and I refused. The cop then claimed that I appeared to be nervous and that he could see a vein in my neck pulsating. He used that as an excuse to call in his backups, lock me in the back of his police car, tow my car off the highway to their lot, and search it. Finding nothing, they brought in a drug sniffing dog. Still found nothing. He was a Deputy Barney Fife type... The moral of this story is that just because they legally need probable cause, doesn't mean they can't just lie and invent it on the spot. You won't get an argument from me. In my opinion, LEO's who do things like that need to find a different line of work. (edited: rephrased something)"Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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dannydan 0 #5 March 4, 2012 are you sure, cuz i don't wanna be the chicken little and create BULLSHIT posts... I mean Alex Jones, everyone knows that he's a conspiracy tinfoil hat type guy... ;P I had actually heard this on the FM dial from a one Michael Berry that was interviewing the congresswoman who has authored THE STRIP ACT legislation... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #6 March 4, 2012 If they tell me they want to search my car can I reply with "Show me a warrant?" How about just drive away? Can they chase me? This is only gonna get bad I can see it nowIf you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #7 March 4, 2012 QuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #8 March 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap. It's my understanding that they have been operating in cooperation with local LEOs. If I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,346 #9 March 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap. It's my understanding that they have been operating in cooperation with local LEOs. If I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then. Where are these supposed roadblocks? I'm out on the highways every week and this is the first I've heard of anything like this. I've seen the ICE (Border Patrol/Customs) guys set up spot checks here and there (and the permanent one down near Laredo TX) but those aren't any more than a quick look and a couple questions. I've also seen the "Drug Checkpoint Ahead - All Vehicles Subject to Search" signs that the cops put up. Those are a bluff. They put them up in the middle of nowhere and watch to see who gets off at the next exit (usually an exit that goes nowhere)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #10 March 4, 2012 QuoteIf I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then. Be careful, insulting an authority figure is grounds for a beat-down, tazing or, if you're lucky enough...a pepper spraying. The endorphins, oh the endorphins! I love it...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #11 March 4, 2012 If TSA is trying to stop you, you drive right by with your middle finger up. Seriously. Then if a real cop pulls you over as a result you sue the local municipality and the Federal Government. TSA are not sworn officers with ANY type of jurisdiction outside of an airport security check-point."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #12 March 4, 2012 *** THats my attitude against this. I deal with these TSA asshats everyday and the thought of them being on the road scares the shit out of me. *** THats when the fuck you show me a warrant line comes from me.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #13 March 5, 2012 Quote*** THats my attitude against this. I deal with these TSA asshats everyday and the thought of them being on the road scares the shit out of me. *** THats when the fuck you show me a warrant line comes from me. NO! no damn warrant! if a cop pulls you over it has to be a matter of simple probable cause!! Ask the cop how in the hell it can use a TSA worker as an agent of the government when that "agent" has no legal authority as a law enforcement officer. Then explain to the cop that any and all violations would fall under the fruit of a poisonous tree. If this type of scenario is really going on in TN. PLEASE PM me!!!! I will make some phone calls! (edited to add an underline to "really")"Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #14 March 5, 2012 Have you been stopped by one yet? http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/10/myth-buster-tsa-not-setting-up.html_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #15 March 5, 2012 Well that clears thing up. The TSA were, by no means, acting as Law Enforcement Officers, or enacting the powers there of. If they want to hand out pamphlets at a weigh station about what to look out for, then so be it. That is not infringing on your constitutional rights. You can throw the damn thing away. Big difference between handing out pamphlets and actively stopping people at a "road block"."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtiflyer 0 #16 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteCan they chase me? It's likely that they will call the regular cops. I'm sure they have an agreement with them, and the cops are waiting on the other side of the trap. It's my understanding that they have been operating in cooperation with local LEOs. If I were to get stopped by the TSA, I'd have a similar response. Do you have a warrant? No? ok, let's get the real cops involved then. Even then its still goes against the 4th Amendment (illegal search and seizure) They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #17 March 5, 2012 Quote They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Wrong. Road blocks have been deemed as constitutional in that they are not discriminatory as long as everyone on the road way is subject to the stop. Back to the main subject; if these were being conducted by TSA (which they are not) then you would have a HUGE jurisdictional/authority problem."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtiflyer 0 #18 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuote They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Wrong. Road blocks have been deemed as constitutional in that they are not discriminatory as long as everyone on the road way is subject to the stop. Back to the main subject; if these were being conducted by TSA (which they are not) then you would have a HUGE jurisdictional/authority problem. I still don't understand how you can search anybody without PC. Just because you do it to everybody does not make it right? How is it still not violate the 4th amendment? Not arguing just trying to get edumacated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 March 5, 2012 For now, Police do not have the right to set up a roadblock and search your vehicle without PC. They can ask for ID, smell your breath and look in your car window but that is about all they can do without PC or your consent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_checkpoint However, this will likely change as we move closer to a Police State and the continud trampling of our Constitutional Rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #20 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote They cannot go fishing to find something. They have to have prior cause to search. Having a roadblock checkpoint is fishing not prior cause Wrong. Road blocks have been deemed as constitutional in that they are not discriminatory as long as everyone on the road way is subject to the stop. Back to the main subject; if these were being conducted by TSA (which they are not) then you would have a HUGE jurisdictional/authority problem. I still don't understand how you can search anybody without PC. Just because you do it to everybody does not make it right? How is it still not violate the 4th amendment? Not arguing just trying to get edumacated I never said they could perform an illegal search. The other poster is absolutely correct in that they would have to develop probable cause at some point to take it any further than a simple stop and greet scenario."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #21 March 5, 2012 Also, let me be clear. I am not going to argue whether check-points are right, wrong, or indifferent. My original input was with regard to the TSA issue."Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie 3 #22 March 5, 2012 how different is that from having the national guard patrolling the skys conducting raids on mj grows? should be against the posse commitatus, they even have guys on the ground taking the stuff away, using military funding and operating on us soil.http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #23 March 5, 2012 QuoteI never said they could perform an illegal search. The other poster is absolutely correct in that they would have to develop probable cause at some point to take it any further than a simple stop and greet scenario. Yeah, but an unscrupulous cop can claim "probable cause" for just about anything. I was once getting a traffic ticket in Alabama. He requested permission to search, and I refused. The cop then claimed that I appeared to be nervous and that he could see a vein in my neck pulsating. He used that as an excuse to call in his backups, lock me in the back of his police car, tow my car off the highway to their lot, and search it. Finding nothing, they brought in a drug sniffing dog. Still found nothing. He was a Deputy Barney Fife type... The moral of this story is that just because they legally need probable cause, doesn't mean they can't just lie and invent it on the spot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #24 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteI never said they could perform an illegal search. The other poster is absolutely correct in that they would have to develop probable cause at some point to take it any further than a simple stop and greet scenario. Yeah, but an unscrupulous cop can claim "probable cause" for just about anything. I was once getting a traffic ticket in Alabama. He requested permission to search, and I refused. The cop then claimed that I appeared to be nervous and that he could see a vein in my neck pulsating. He used that as an excuse to call in his backups, lock me in the back of his police car, tow my car off the highway to their lot, and search it. Finding nothing, they brought in a drug sniffing dog. Still found nothing. He was a Deputy Barney Fife type... The moral of this story is that just because they legally need probable cause, doesn't mean they can't just lie and invent it on the spot. You won't get an argument from me. In my opinion, LEO's who do things like that need to find a different line of work. (edited: rephrased something)"Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
