434 2 #51 December 1, 2010 This is Normal US - UN shit, so I guess there wasn´t anything yet. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29spy.html?_r=1&hp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #52 December 2, 2010 I love Wikilieaks. Julian Assange is the sand in the gears of the arrogant governments that feed us bullshit and tell us that we are too simple minded to know the truth. He may get run over by the machinery that he's set in motion, but he's set the model. He won't be the first or the last to do this now. More please..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 1 #53 December 2, 2010 QuoteI love Wikilieaks. Julian Assange is the sand in the gears of the arrogant governments that feed us bullshit and tell us that we are too simple minded to know the truth. He may get run over by the machinery that he's set in motion, but he's set the model. He won't be the first or the last to do this now. More please..... They're going to shut him down and punish him hard, and make an example of him as a deterrent to others. Be very afraid. No, I'm not being sarcastic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 325 #54 December 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteI love Wikilieaks. Julian Assange is the sand in the gears of the arrogant governments that feed us bullshit and tell us that we are too simple minded to know the truth. He may get run over by the machinery that he's set in motion, but he's set the model. He won't be the first or the last to do this now. More please..... They're going to shut him down and punish him hard, and make an example of him as a deterrent to others. Be very afraid. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I agree on this mornings news they were reporting that the USA is looking for a way to try Julian for treason and would seek the death penalty. I am not sure how a foreign national can commit an act of treason though? I also doubt that you could extend "reasonable" terrorism laws to cover his crime. I guess that there is a more than even chance that Australia could bring a charge of treason if there are any significant documents that affect them.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #55 December 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI love Wikilieaks. Julian Assange is the sand in the gears of the arrogant governments that feed us bullshit and tell us that we are too simple minded to know the truth. He may get run over by the machinery that he's set in motion, but he's set the model. He won't be the first or the last to do this now. More please..... They're going to shut him down and punish him hard, and make an example of him as a deterrent to others. Be very afraid. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I agree on this mornings news they were reporting that the USA is looking for a way to try Julian for treason and would seek the death penalty. I am not sure how a foreign national can commit an act of treason though? I also doubt that you could extend "reasonable" terrorism laws to cover his crime. I guess that there is a more than even chance that Australia could bring a charge of treason if there are any significant documents that affect them. Well, we're talking governments here. The U.S. is not famous for abiding by its own constitution. Nor, I would imagine, are other countries any more diligent in adhering to their own when it comes to handling something like this. Mess with the U.S. g'ment and all legal bets are off. We've demonstrated that time and time again.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #56 December 2, 2010 I don't know why they'd bother trying to pin treason on him which I also can't see how they could do. The CIA can just murder him as he's not a US citizen. Legally so long as they inform the congressional intelligence committees there shouldn't be a problem. It will be interesting to see the fate of Bradley Manning.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 325 #57 December 2, 2010 Quote Well, we're talking governments here. The U.S. is not famous for abiding by its own constitution. Nor, I would imagine, are other countries any more diligent in adhering to their own when it comes to handling something like this. Mess with the U.S. g'ment and all legal bets are off. We've demonstrated that time and time again. He is lucky in that he has an established relationship with lots of journalists. It does make it much harder for him to simply disappear without a credible story.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #58 December 2, 2010 Maybe they'll be open about it as a deterrent to others who would post classified US documents across the internet.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 325 #59 December 2, 2010 QuoteMaybe they'll be open about it as a deterrent to others who would post classified US documents across the internet. I think that the person who is behind the leaks will probably face the highest charges possible, and I wouldn't rule out treason with the death penalty. That is by nature the person(s) who had access to the classified documents and released them to Julian. The wider lessons learned are that having data easily duplicated is a VERY bad idea. Even commercially you get special paper for contracts etc that don't photo-copy or scan.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #60 December 2, 2010 From personal experience I know that its very easy to get sensitive information from supposedly secure systems.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 1 #61 December 2, 2010 QuoteI am not sure how a foreign national can commit an act of treason though? In most cases under US law, that is not possible. The US treason statute (18 USC §2381) reads: "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. The phrase "owing allegiance to the United States" addresses your inquiry. Without the prerequisite of allegiance legally owed, there can be no treason. So they'll fuck him over some other way. Lotsa ways in this world, ya know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #62 December 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteI am not sure how a foreign national can commit an act of treason though? In most cases under US law, that is not possible. The US treason statute (18 USC §2381) reads: "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. The phrase "owing allegiance to the United States" addresses your inquiry. Without the prerequisite of allegiance legally owed, there can be no treason. So they'll fuck him over some other way. Lotsa ways in this world, ya know? I wonder if he will fall down the stiars and sustain a broken neck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #63 December 2, 2010 Bit of a swing there, guess you'd hope that the Judge had his Weebix and a shag that morning... ' Hmmm.. shall I give him DP or let him off with a 5 stretch and a ten grand fine? Hmm... I can still taste me Weetbix the blond hottie brought up to me this morning... Ah, sod it' "I sentence you to five years imprisonment and a 10 grand fine, think yourself lucky"When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #64 December 3, 2010 ...shall have his entire family tied to each other leg to leg and drawn by horse while he watches and then he shall be stoned to death... ...or he shall be asked very nicely to not ever ever do it agian... really this time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #65 December 3, 2010 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antonija 0 #66 December 3, 2010 QuoteWho is behind Wikileaks, and who is financial supporting? They get a lot of their money from donations. I guess people would like to know what their country (by the people for the blah blah...) is doing and how much shit will they have to shovel when next war breaks out. QuoteIs Wikileaks on a mission to harm USA and the west, or do they want justice and clean conscious on the behalf of our governments? They published documents "harming" USA, EU countries, middle east, asia (including china and other communist co.), etc (it's not really harming any country... just the people that run it. All these documents do is reveal how stupid/corrupted/immoral/fucking_sick those people are). They pretty much publish anything that they deem worth publishing regardless of its geographical or political origin. Considering how much dirty stuff has surfaced and reaction of politicians I'd say they're doing pretty good job. You see, when government is afraid of the people democracy rules. QuoteIs Wikileaks really threatening our "free" world? I dunno, is it? I thought that freedom of speach including free journalism is cornerstone of free world. From what I gather most US politicians would like to see Jualian dead (some in quite horrific ways). That used to be domain of "non-free" world, like public executions in chinese stadiums and stoning/burning in muslim world. These days americans seem to be quite content with such methods so I'd suggest you skip all the incoveniant stuff written in your constitution and law, switch to sharia and you can kick the shit out of Julian or anyone else who doesn't conformt to your beliefs. You will also be able to make women your slaves, but beer and bacon will be banned. But I guess letting go of such pesky notions as free speech is totaly worth it. Fucking imbeciles...I understand the need for conformity. Without a concise set of rules to follow we would probably all have to resort to common sense. -David Thorne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #67 December 3, 2010 QuoteQuote Well, the leaks can only be intended to undermine and sabotage the war effort. Actually there is very little to impact on the war in Afghanistan so far released. In fact this would be a most brilliant sting if only the CIA were that switched on. Bradley Manning a US soldier could have been recruited by the intelligence agency and given a load of gossip marked secret and classified, in among which are several compelling arguments for a war with Iran. reports of Iran sponsoring terrorism on an unprecedented scale, the public announcement that many countries in the region actively seek a war with Iran; something that could never be said officially. Many reports on Iranian assassination attempts which will anger many. The price of which is some low grade gossip and a couple of red faces. In return the hawks get another step closer to a war with Iran they've been wanting for decades.... if only the CIA were that switched on. Looks like I'm not the only one wondering about this http://www.lalibre.be/debats/opinions/article/627177/wikileaks-a-qui-profite-le-crime.htmlWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #68 December 3, 2010 QuoteFrom what I gather most US politicians would like to see Jualian dead (some in quite horrific ways). Where do you gather that from? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #69 December 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteFrom what I gather most US politicians would like to see Jualian dead (some in quite horrific ways). Where do you gather that from? For one source, see post #49. "...Also, in flippant remarks, Tom Flanagan, a senior advisor to Canadian PM Stephen Harper, said Mr Assange "should be assassinated". He went on: "I think Obama should put out a contract and may be use a drone. There is no good coming from this (WikiLeaks revelations). "This is really stuff that should not be out. There are things that could complicate international relations and conceivably lead to war. I would not feel unhappy if Assange disappeared." His comments come after former vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin called on the US government to hunt down Mr Assange like an al Qaeda or Taliban leader." I have seen no responses from the Canadians admonishing their politicians for such and outrageous stance. For that matter, I've seen no responses to bozo Palin's stance either. IMO. Flanagan should be drummed completely off the planet and Palin should be bitch-slapped...multiple times. Here's why: So, the perps do something stupid. They get all panties-in-a-wad at the person who lets it be known....just plain "cover-my-ass-and-make-someone-else-out-to-be-the-bad-guy BULLSHIT. Quite typical in today's society to deny responsibility for one's actions. What's amazing is the number of people who can't see through the BS and mindlessly hop on the bandwaqon. Ya' gotta think that the perps are aware that what they are doing is against common decency because they are so vehemently, and vociferously reacting in the way they are. Nah...the thought never crosses their mind, I'm sure.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #70 December 3, 2010 I guess you guys have noted already that yesterday's www page for Wikileaks has already been shut down? So, in other political news...now we'll have Interpol warrants for Cheney AND Assange. For you guys still defending the antics of American politics, watch to see which one gets the intended results. Today, as of 9:35am EST, it can be found at: http://213.251.145.96/ Well, I just double-checked the URL and got this when I clicked on "afhanistan": DiaryDig.org is offline due to a distributed denial of service attack. It will come back online when the attack ceases. Source code for DiaryDig.org is freely available and could be used to deploy another instance of the site. The documents DiaryDig.org indexes can be obtained here: * Iraq War Logs md5sum 797f4dc26fd6e4792e33b33701c9246c sha1sum 7d3e9933b7570c74291c8c6ed77ca0bc7e84a629 * Afghan War Diary md5sum 97cbdf3e040ef266f7f2db78f1beb892 sha1sum d6b82f955a7beb9589f92e9487c74669d1912a34 It's CYBERWAR! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #71 December 3, 2010 WikiLeaks cables: Live Q&A with Julian Assange The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, will be live online from 1pm today to answer readers' questions about the release of more than 250,000 US diplomatic cables Read Julian Assange's answers to your questions http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-julian-assange-online Wikilieaks insurance file http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5723136/WikiLeaks_insurance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mac 1 #72 December 3, 2010 http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/ QuoteApparently having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for rape. Worth getting Interpol involved... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johenrik 0 #73 December 5, 2010 QuoteIs Wikileaks really threatening our "free" world? If the "free world" is threatened by the truth then it wasn't a free world in the first place. -Jo Henrik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #74 December 6, 2010 Wikileaks is banned for the soldiers to read. Soon reading Wikileaks is not safe for work, and in near future there is no place for Wikileaks to hide. Politicians want to kill Wikileaks members, and people will be scared to silence. Yet I do not know what to believe, since it is hard to get the messengers motives, but for sure the world need messengers who show the real picture, how the world is, and how the politicians is hiding the truth from us. Do we really want the truth? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 325 #75 December 6, 2010 I believe Wikileaks crossed a legal line today when they published the list of sites that are "key to US National Security". I think that there is clear evidence that this breaches UK anti-terror laws, especially considering the charges and circumstances around Samina Malik - quote from the Guardian below. QuoteAt 23, Samina Malik has earned herself the dubious distinction of being the first woman ever to be convicted under the Terrorism Act. Malik - while being found not guilty of the more serious charge of possessing an article for a terrorist purpose under Section 57 of the Act - was convicted of possessing material "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism". It doesn't mean that I agree with the law as I think it is too broad and easily abused.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites