434 2 #1 November 28, 2010 Who is behind Wikileaks, and who is financial supporting? Is Wikileaks on a mission to harm USA and the west, or do they want justice and clean conscious on the behalf of our governments? Is Wikileaks really threatening our "free" world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 417 #2 November 28, 2010 It is an interesting situation. Personally I believe that politics and diplomats have long needed cleaning up. I don't agree with how Wikileaks goes about its business and I do believe that they will eventually (if they haven't already) jeopardise peoples lives. On the other hand if the Politicians are back-stabbing each other and slagging off Allies behind each others backs I have no problem with them being called on it. I am pretty sure that petty name calling goes on, on all sides for example the CIA secretly accuse MI5 of stupidity etc and MI5 does the same about the CIA. That would seem like normal "office politics" to me. Some people might get a few red faces but that should be about it. I believe that Sarah Palin is behind Wikileaks though - did you hear that she let slip North Korea are US Allies Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #3 November 28, 2010 Sara Palin is hot news even in Norway! Go Palin, we need you during the dark times thats ahead of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #4 November 28, 2010 QuoteSara Palin is hot news even in Norway! Go Palin, we need you during the dark times thats ahead of us. but she can see it from her back porch!-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #5 November 28, 2010 I am sure we will have enough treads about Sara in time, so be patient. Wikileaks, Who is behind ladies and Gentlemen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 November 28, 2010 Do you mean who runs the Wikileaks web site? Or who are the people that are leaking all the documents? http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/07/the-man-behind-wikileaks-a-julian-assange-cheat-sheet.html http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/who-is-behind-wikileaks/19430055 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #7 November 28, 2010 I know how to use google. Thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 417 #8 November 28, 2010 QuoteI know how to use google. Thank you. I know that at least 1 UK newspaper supports and helps Wikileaks (Guardian) from the BBC QuoteA journalist with Britain's Guardian newspaper, which has been working with Wikileaks on publishing the files I am not sure if you believe a foreign power is behind the site? I don't believe this is the case I think it is just a group of individuals and possibly a few news vendors.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #9 November 28, 2010 So you think their motives is genuine! http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=china+behind+wikileaks&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #10 November 28, 2010 QuoteSo you think their motives is genuine! http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=china+behind+wikileaks&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 do you?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinP 0 #11 November 28, 2010 On more than one occasion, lives have been put in danger thanks to Wikileaks. Free speech shouldn't apply. It's hard enough working in a Counterinsurgency without some glory-hungry idiots putting out information that directly compromises both future and ongoing missions as well as operatives within an area of operations. Personally, I'd like to choke out both the originator and recipient of leaked intel. And that's for starters.Sincerely, Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 November 28, 2010 "The Truth? - You can't handle the truth" (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 417 #13 November 28, 2010 QuoteSo you think their motives is genuine! http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=china+behind+wikileaks&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 I don't believe that China or any other nation are directly behind the site. I think that there are people who have a distorted view on freedom of information and that nothing should be kept private, and Wikileaks is a manifestation of this. That said the arrival of Stuxnet which is absolute genius. It is something that I would have loved to be involved in and shows the arrival of next generation military weapons. I would support the argument that a proportion of the information that is fed to Wikileaks is provided by intelligence services and sanctioned by their respective nation states.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #14 November 28, 2010 I really do not have a clue. Do people in general know what they are doing, and for what reason? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #15 November 28, 2010 It seems to me that, during wartime, a person who is knowingly and intentionally publishing operational or political information that is sensitive or potentially deadly or damaging to that war effort should be considered to be a legitimate military target. I say take his ass out (also the "leakers" who are entrusted with this info). His motives are obvious to me. (My opinion only, of course). I would expect that the "other side" would do the same with a similar "irritant" undermining their cause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #16 November 28, 2010 QuoteI really do not have a clue. Do people in general know what they are doing, and for what reason? i don't know. what do you think?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #17 November 28, 2010 I can agree about the standing situation for those who is placed at risks. But from the beginning there have been wrong doing, and as a result of that, this is endangering the situation in real time if you understand my meaning of what I try to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #18 November 28, 2010 We do things because we think it is right to do at the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 417 #19 November 28, 2010 QuoteWe do things because we think it is right to do at the moment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11858637 Breaking news on BBC - the site is being hacked.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 417 #20 November 28, 2010 QuoteIt seems to me that, during wartime, a person who is knowingly and intentionally publishing operational or political information that is sensitive or potentially deadly or damaging to that war effort should be considered to be a legitimate military target. I say take his ass out (also the "leakers" who are entrusted with this info). His motives are obvious to me. (My opinion only, of course). I would expect that the "other side" would do the same with a similar "irritant" undermining their cause. I agree. But technically that could very quickly descend into the US being at war with its allies. Julian is Australian for example. Of course this is only relevant to Iraq and Afghanistan. The US is not at war with the UK so someone releasing confidential documentation that is embarrassing to the US is not an act of war in my opinion.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #21 November 28, 2010 Wikileaks actions is not any new happening. It also happend at the end of the Vietnam war, and many other occasions during time. Is this a tool to end something that have gone to far, and fragments of your own system thinks enough is enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #22 November 28, 2010 Quote We do things because we think it is right to do at the moment. can't argue with that stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #23 November 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt seems to me that, during wartime, a person who is knowingly and intentionally publishing operational or political information that is sensitive or potentially deadly or damaging to that war effort should be considered to be a legitimate military target. I say take his ass out (also the "leakers" who are entrusted with this info). His motives are obvious to me. (My opinion only, of course). I would expect that the "other side" would do the same with a similar "irritant" undermining their cause. I agree. But technically that could very quickly descend into the US being at war with its allies. Julian is Australian for example. Of course this is only relevant to Iraq and Afghanistan. The US is not at war with the UK so someone releasing confidential documentation that is embarrassing to the US is not an act of war in my opinion. I believe there are plenty of diggers and UK troops who may also be placed at additional risk because of these leaks. Edit to add: So if he's Australian then he is committing treason against Australia. Likewise, British newspapers that elect to publish sensitive information endangering British troops is committing treason against the UK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #24 November 28, 2010 Even we know it is wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 417 #25 November 28, 2010 QuoteI believe there are plenty of diggers and UK troops who may also be placed at additional risk because of these leaks. Not quite sure what you mean by diggers? Finally to re-iterate I think this is embarrassing and not much more. Quote another site. QuoteAccording to tweets from German-speaking Twitter users who snagged an embargoed copy of this week's Der Spiegel (cover above), the cache of over 250,000 confidential diplomatic cables may be a bit of a let-down. At least from the German point of view there are no earth-shattering revelations, just a lot of candid talk about German leaders. Angela Merkel is praised as "teflon," while German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle is repeatedly bashed. There is talk of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's "wild parties," (duh) and Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is likened to Hitler. The cables also show Obama has "no emotional relationship with Europe," focusing instead on Asian countries, according to Der SpiegelExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites