rushmc 18 #1 November 22, 2010 The following are 4 links on Drudge this Morning (to various sources) I gotta wonder why the left wants to take us the direction these countries have taken? NOTE: none of these are set up at links Go to drudge for them if you like http://drudgereport.com/ ***Ireland Second Euro Nation to Request International Aid as Banks Wobble... Rescue Would Dwarf Greek Bailout... Portugal on the brink... Spain Will Be 'the Biggie... "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #2 November 22, 2010 Please note that individual countries are only a sub-set of Europe. It would be a bit like Euro-trash asking why they'd want to be like "America" and then using Mexico, Haiti and Nicaragua as examples.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #3 November 22, 2010 QuotePlease note that individual countries are not Europe. It would be a bit like Euro-trash asking why they'd want to be like "America" and then using Mexico and Nicaragua as examples. Fair enough Why do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #4 November 22, 2010 germany isn't a failure stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #5 November 22, 2010 QuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #6 November 22, 2010 Quote germany isn't a failure Make the compairsons and then come back and tell us why please"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #7 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right? And that is because?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #8 November 22, 2010 QuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? Don't look at the worst examples, look at the best; http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html http://www.photius.com/rankings/quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 November 22, 2010 QuotePlease note that individual countries are only a sub-set of Europe. It would be a bit like Euro-trash asking why they'd want to be like "America" and then using Mexico, Haiti and Nicaragua as examples. uh, that counter question doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. The US doesn't make any guarantees for those Latin American nations, and our dollar doesn't get directly affected by them. In contrast, the future of the Euro and the EU was put into question earlier in the year during the Greece blowup, esp with the fear that Spain or Ireland would be next. The problem faced by Greece/Ireland is a real one we have to be concerned about. We cannot afford trillion dollar deficits, be it for defense spending or stimulus packages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #10 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? Don't look at the worst examples, look at the best; http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html http://www.photius.com/rankings/ Well, this would be a different thread dont you think? This one is about the economics, policies and taxation levels of these countries"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #11 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right? And that is because? I don't know. Why do you think Drudge reports on those issues in one summarized "the sky is falling in Europe!!!" page?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #12 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right? And that is because? I don't know. Why do you think Drudge reports on those issues? Maybe because we are headed down the same path?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #13 November 22, 2010 QuoteThis one is about the economics, policies and taxation levels of these countries Everything is interrelated. Yes, some countries have higher taxes, but their citizens don't pay for medical out of pocket so you'd also have to take that into consideration. They also have a tendency to pay a smaller percentage of their taxes for a bloated military so consequently, they can pay for a higher standard of living for everyone. Again, look at every category in the second link I provided.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #14 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right? And that is because? I don't know. Why do you think Drudge reports on those issues? Maybe because we are headed down the same path? I guess your mind is made up then.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #15 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteThis one is about the economics, policies and taxation levels of these countries Everything is interrelated. Yes, some countries have higher taxes, but their citizens don't pay for medical out of pocket so you'd also have to take that into consideration. They also have a tendency to pay a smaller percentage of their taxes for a bloated military so consequently, they can pay for a higher standard of living for everyone. Again, look at every category in the second link I provided. Frankly, I will not waste my time on WHO ratings of any kind. We have been down that path before on this site"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #16 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right? And that is because? I don't know. Why do you think Drudge reports on those issues? Maybe because we are headed down the same path? I guess your mind is made up then. and yours?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #17 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis one is about the economics, policies and taxation levels of these countries Everything is interrelated. Yes, some countries have higher taxes, but their citizens don't pay for medical out of pocket so you'd also have to take that into consideration. They also have a tendency to pay a smaller percentage of their taxes for a bloated military so consequently, they can pay for a higher standard of living for everyone. Again, look at every category in the second link I provided. Frankly, I will not waste my time on WHO ratings of any kind. We have been down that path before on this site The categories in the second link weren't compiled by WHO.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,420 #18 November 22, 2010 >And that is because? Because our economy collapsed after years of war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #19 November 22, 2010 Ok, here is one of the links provided opening line QuoteRS built the green and livable index from the United Nations 2006 Human Development Indicators (HDI) data and the 2005 Environmental Sustainability Index (ESI). More detail follows the ranking table.* Even worse"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #20 November 22, 2010 Quote >And that is because? Because our economy collapsed after years of war. Simple huh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #21 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right? And that is because? I don't know. Why do you think Drudge reports on those issues? Maybe because we are headed down the same path? I guess your mind is made up then. and yours? Prepared to be shocked! Not at all . The US and Europe (even Canada) have very different social construct. The US is not even close to having as much of a social net as Canada or most European countries. "Heading in the same direction" is about as useless a descriptive since any small change in policy from either side being compared is, indeed, going in the same direction. Hell, France moving it's retirement age to 62 is "moving in the same direction as the US". Do you see many people claiming that the riots were cause by "moving in the same direction as the US"? Now, back to my original question. The reason that Drudge reports this is that it's readers wanna see it. Same reason the European media reports on the US problems; their readers want to see it. EDIT: PS: if you're going to change your Title on the thread, at least change it to something that makes some sense...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #22 November 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do we want to go a direction that these countries have proven a failure? You realize they see similar news report about the US, right? And that is because? I don't know. Why do you think Drudge reports on those issues? Maybe because we are headed down the same path? I guess your mind is made up then. and yours? Prepared to be shocked! Not at all . The US and Europe (even Canada) have very different social construct. The US is not even close to having as much of a social net as Canada or most European countries. "Heading in the same direction" is about as useless a descriptive since any small change in policy from either side being compared is, indeed, going in the same direction. Hell, France moving it's retirement age to 62 is "moving in the same direction as the US". Do you see many people claiming that the riots were cause by "moving in the same direction as the US"? Now, back to my original question. The reason that Drudge reports this is that it's readers wanna see it. Same reason the European media reports on the US problems; their readers want to see it. EDIT: PS: if you're going to change your Title on the thread, at least change it to something that makes some sense... You actully made the point And this is the direction many in the US want us to go"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 138 #23 November 22, 2010 http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html USA is 11th with 7 EUROPEAN countries ahead of us. http://internationalliving.com/2010/02/quality-of-life-2010/ USA is 7th with 4 EUROPEAN countries ahead of us http://www.bestcountriestolive.com/best-country-to-live-in-europe/is-america-the-best-country-to-live-in USA does not make the top 10 with 8 EUROPEAN countries ahead of us http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ US ranks 4th, but 6 of the top 10 countries are EUROPEAN. so the simple conclusion? European countries are pretty good at what they do and perhaps we could learn a thing or two about running a country. Not necessarily "Being just like them", but at the very least we need to learn what they do well and try to emulate it in some way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #24 November 22, 2010 Quote Please note that individual countries are only a sub-set of Europe. It would be a bit like Euro-trash asking why they'd want to be like "America" and then using Mexico, Haiti and Nicaragua as examples. LMAO Who's "US-trash"? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #25 November 22, 2010 Quotehttp://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html USA is 11th with 7 EUROPEAN countries ahead of us. http://internationalliving.com/2010/02/quality-of-life-2010/ USA is 7th with 4 EUROPEAN countries ahead of us http://www.bestcountriestolive.com/best-country-to-live-in-europe/is-america-the-best-country-to-live-in USA does not make the top 10 with 8 EUROPEAN countries ahead of us http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ US ranks 4th, but 6 of the top 10 countries are EUROPEAN. so the simple conclusion? European countries are pretty good at what they do and perhaps we could learn a thing or two about running a country. Not necessarily "Being just like them", but at the very least we need to learn what they do well and try to emulate it in some way. As judged from what scale or prism? The filter these opinions are formed from are flawed IMO Not yours I guess"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
