Guest #1 October 12, 2010 Hey dopers, Hope you're proud of what your spending on weed and blow ends up paying for. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipbelt 0 #2 October 12, 2010 hardly anyone talks about blood money , thanks ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #3 October 12, 2010 >Hope you're proud of what your spending on weed and blow ends up paying for. Yep. Too bad they couldn't give that money to American farmers instead of Mexican criminals, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #4 October 12, 2010 What Bill said. Add to that: Fix the border. Mexico needs to fix their crime problems too. Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glitch 0 #5 October 12, 2010 Provide an English version of your source, to this ENGLISH speaking board so all us ENGLISH reading/writing/speaking folks can understand wtf your're ranting about... or go pound sand. Your choice. ...and provide sources that show Weed is a narcotic while your at it. ...and please provide your justification for lumping medicinal users together as dopers. ...or go pound sand. Once again, your choice.Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,122 #6 October 12, 2010 Based on what happened at the end of prohibition (when liquor became legal in the US again), I'd have to say that criminals will be less involved in drugs, just as they became less involved in alcohol. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 October 12, 2010 They have this really cool thing now on the internet called a 'translator' - how about you use it...or go pound sand. Your choice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #8 October 12, 2010 >Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #9 October 12, 2010 Quote>Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Sure If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #10 October 12, 2010 Quote Provide an English version of your source, to this ENGLISH speaking board so all us ENGLISH reading/writing/speaking folks can understand wtf your're ranting about... or go pound sand. Your choice. ...and provide sources that show Weed is a narcotic while your at it. ...and please provide your justification for lumping medicinal users together as dopers. ...or go pound sand. Once again, your choice. Why don't you just hit the translate button at the top of the tab.Knee jerk much?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #11 October 12, 2010 QuoteQuote>Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Sure If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... Like murder?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #12 October 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote>Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Sure If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... usually there is a victim here but why not get rid of the inspection cyle on reserves? Hell, usually the only person you can kill is yourself? Seat belts come to mind too Libs swing back and forth on this kind of shit based on the topic and their own "I am not responcible for my actions" religion they want to practice Sad shit really Like murder?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #13 October 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Sure If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... usually there is a victim here but why not get rid of the inspection cyle on reserves? Hell, usually the only person you can kill is yourself? Seat belts come to mind too Libs swing back and forth on this kind of shit based on the topic and their own "I am not responcible for my actions" religion they want to practice Sad shit really Like murder? What about drinking and driving - I know a lot of people that still want to do that. Even smoking pot and driving.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #14 October 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Sure If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... usually there is a victim here but why not get rid of the inspection cyle on reserves? Hell, usually the only person you can kill is yourself? Seat belts come to mind too Libs swing back and forth on this kind of shit based on the topic and their own "I am not responcible for my actions" religion they want to practice Sad shit really What about drinking and driving - I know a lot of people that still want to do that. Even smoking pot and driving. gotta be careful cant harm others only yourself"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #15 October 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Sure If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... usually there is a victim here but why not get rid of the inspection cyle on reserves? Hell, usually the only person you can kill is yourself? Seat belts come to mind too Libs swing back and forth on this kind of shit based on the topic and their own "I am not responcible for my actions" religion they want to practice Sad shit really Like murder? What about drinking and driving - I know a lot of people that still want to do that. Even smoking pot and driving. gotta be careful cant harm others only yourself Do trees count as others? I mean - if you only hurt yourself in a traffic accident because you are DWI, it should be legal right?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #16 October 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Remove the illegal status and the crime problem fixes itself in most ways. Agreed - and true for more than just drugs. Sure If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... usually there is a victim here but why not get rid of the inspection cyle on reserves? Hell, usually the only person you can kill is yourself? Seat belts come to mind too Libs swing back and forth on this kind of shit based on the topic and their own "I am not responcible for my actions" religion they want to practice Sad shit really Like murder? What about drinking and driving - I know a lot of people that still want to do that. Even smoking pot and driving. gotta be careful cant harm others only yourself Do trees count as others? I mean - if you only hurt yourself in a traffic accident because you are DWI, it should be legal right? If trees were the only potential victim? Then yes. But the sober people want to use the roads too damn it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #17 October 12, 2010 >If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... If people want to do it and it doesn't hurt anyone else, then yes, just make it legal. Worked for alcohol, women voting and blacks going to school with whites. It is working for homosexuality. It's starting to work for pot in California. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #18 October 12, 2010 Quote If trees were the only potential victim? Then yes. But the sober people want to use the roads too damn it Potentials? That drug user could potentially corrupt my children, or your sister, or his family.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #19 October 12, 2010 Quote>If enough people want to do it, just make it legal for christs sake huh...... If people want to do it and it doesn't hurt anyone else, then yes, just make it legal. Worked for alcohol, women voting and blacks going to school with whites. It is working for homosexuality. It's starting to work for pot in California. Alcohol hurts millions. Pot will be shown to do the same. What part of homosexuality is illegal?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 October 12, 2010 QuoteQuote If trees were the only potential victim? Then yes. But the sober people want to use the roads too damn it Potentials? That drug user could potentially corrupt my children, or your sister, or his family. And that doesn't happen now? Legalize it and let the associated crime fall off.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #21 October 12, 2010 QuoteHey dopers, Hope you're proud of what your spending on weed and blow ends up paying for. mh . As someone who has a ton of non-violent drug possession cases land on my desk, I would very much prefer that this stuff be legalized. If someone robs to get drug money, arrest them for robbery. If someone kills someone for drugs, arrest them for murder. Right now, we've got a bunch of people using drugs, many that would like to stop but are unable to do so on their own and are finding treatment to be expensive. If sales of some drugs with a low potential for addiction, like marijuana, for example, were legalized, and possession of other drugs decriminalized, and the tax money from sales of the legalized drugs used to make treatment programs available and education as to why using drugs is usually a bad idea, perhaps things might improve? What we're doing now certainly isn't working, given the large pile of stuff currently sitting on my desk. So, it's probably time to try something else. The thing is, the reason most people don't use drugs is that generally it's a damn stupid thing to do. It's not because the drugs are illegal, and it's not because they don't know where to get them. Any high school student can tell you, or can at least point you to who to ask. Most people don't do drugs because they have been educated as to the health and psychological consequences. We learned back in the era of alcohol prohibition that prohibiting things creates a black market, and with a black market comes the crime that was shown in the link. Remove the black market and there's no reason to buy from the guy on the corner that's smuggled the stuff in from Mexico when you can walk down and buy it from CVS who has bought it from a pharma company, and while pharma companies aren't totally guaranteed safe (been the victim of a screwup there myself), they're a heck of a lot safer than your local drug dealer, and while addicts aren't always the brightest folks, they don't want to die from bad drugs. And honestly, I'm quite sick of all the energy that's gone into banning a plant. We haven't outlawed hemlock and jimson weed, and in 2002 there were documented cases of those plants killing children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #22 October 12, 2010 >Alcohol hurts millions. Yep. And like I said, if people want to do it and it doesn't hurt anyone else, then yes, make it legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #23 October 12, 2010 If you can not even keep drugs out of prisons, how do you keep them from a free society? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #24 October 12, 2010 >That drug user could potentially corrupt my children, or your sister, or his >family. So could a subversive book, or a questionable religion, or a cult. So can alcohol or skydiving. So can an R-rated movie or a violent video game. You can't ban things you're afraid of just because you fear they will "corrupt" others. >What part of homosexuality is illegal? Fewer and fewer parts of it. It used to be illegal in places like Texas, although the GOP is still trying to outlaw it in places like Montana. Now gay marriage is legal in many states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #25 October 12, 2010 Quote If trees were the only potential victim? Then yes. But the sober people want to use the roads too damn it If someone is driving under the influence of alcohol or marijuana (or opiates, or anything likely to affect one's ability to operate a vehicle, for that matter), they should be arrested for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
