ChangoLanzao 0 #101 June 9, 2010 QuoteChango, do you think illegals should be deported? I think that people born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. Period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #102 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteChango, do you think illegals should be deported? I think that people born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. Period. Care to answer the question I actually asked? (by the way, I don't disagree that people born in the US are US citizens except for diplomats and the like)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #103 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteChango, do you think illegals should be deported? I think that people born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. Period. Care to answer the question I actually asked? (by the way, I don't disagree that people born in the US are US citizens except for diplomats and the like) No. I don't wish to answer your question. It is irrelevent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #104 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteChango, do you think illegals should be deported? I think that people born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. Period. Care to answer the question I actually asked? (by the way, I don't disagree that people born in the US are US citizens except for diplomats and the like) No. I don't wish to answer your question. It is irrelevent. It is definately relevant. It bears down directly to the "new citizen" freshly born.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #105 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Chango, do you think illegals should be deported? I think that people born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. Period. Care to answer the question I actually asked? (by the way, I don't disagree that people born in the US are US citizens except for diplomats and the like) No. I don't wish to answer your question. It is irrelevent. It is definately relevant. It bears down directly to the "new citizen" freshly born. Whether or not the parents should be deported is an entirely seperate issue. Tweaking the 14th amendment in order to revoke/deny citizenship of a particular group of people who are born in the U.S. means that states could pass laws which severely infringe on those groups' human rights. This is NOT the way to deal with illegal immigration. As long as we have large numbers of illegal immigrants being hired exploited by U.S. citizens who employ them, they - an even their relatives/friends who have followed them to seek a better life here - are going to have some children born in U.S. territory. If those children are denied citizenship and they have children too (and so on), then we end up with a resident population of generations of people who are born in the U.S., but are not accorded all of the protections of the Bill of Rights. Hmmm .... sound familiar? The 14th amendment was intended to remedy just that situation! How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #106 June 9, 2010 QuoteHow about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? it's called jail and why are you so stuck on class - any INDIVIDUAL that commits and illegal act on another individual should go to jail as for 'exploitation' - how subjective can you be? One group hires illegally - that's a crime the other enters illegally - that's a separate crime we have to address both crimes - it's not "either/or" like you guys can't seem to grasp ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #107 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteHow about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? it's called jail and why are you so stuck on class - any INDIVIDUAL that commits and illegal act on another individual should go to jail as for 'exploitation' - how subjective can you be? One group hires illegally - that's a crime the other enters illegally - that's a separate crime we have to address both crimes - it's not "either/or" like you guys can't seem to grasp Sorry, I should gave provided a sarcasm button for you. ETA: We are talking about the children (and their children ...). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #108 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? it's called jail and why are you so stuck on class - any INDIVIDUAL that commits and illegal act on another individual should go to jail as for 'exploitation' - how subjective can you be? One group hires illegally - that's a crime the other enters illegally - that's a separate crime we have to address both crimes - it's not "either/or" like you guys can't seem to grasp Sorry, I should gave provided a sarcasm button for you. ETA: We are talking about the children (and their children ...). Easy Solution . . . kid is a citizen, gets a birth certificate - Parents deported and can come back when legally allowed.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #109 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? it's called jail and why are you so stuck on class - any INDIVIDUAL that commits and illegal act on another individual should go to jail as for 'exploitation' - how subjective can you be? One group hires illegally - that's a crime the other enters illegally - that's a separate crime we have to address both crimes - it's not "either/or" like you guys can't seem to grasp Sorry, I should gave provided a sarcasm button for you. ETA: We are talking about the children (and their children ...). Easy Solution . . . kid is a citizen, gets a birth certificate - Parents deported and can come back when legally allowed. So we agree. The kids are and should be U.S. citizens. (deportation of the parents is a separate issue) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #110 June 9, 2010 Quote ETA: We are talking about the children (and their children ...). ok....MANDATORY STERILIZATION for all illegal aliens. Just to be sure, sex would be a felony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #111 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? it's called jail and why are you so stuck on class - any INDIVIDUAL that commits and illegal act on another individual should go to jail as for 'exploitation' - how subjective can you be? One group hires illegally - that's a crime the other enters illegally - that's a separate crime we have to address both crimes - it's not "either/or" like you guys can't seem to grasp Sorry, I should gave provided a sarcasm button for you. ETA: We are talking about the children (and their children ...). Easy Solution . . . kid is a citizen, gets a birth certificate - Parents deported and can come back when legally allowed. So we agree. The kids are and should be U.S. citizens. (deportation of the parents is a separate issue) Yes - we agree there. Now get the parents the hell out of the country!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #112 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote ETA: We are talking about the children (and their children ...). ok....MANDATORY STERILIZATION for all illegal aliens. Just to be sure, sex would be a felony. Sarcasm is a wonderful thing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #113 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote ETA: We are talking about the children (and their children ...). ok....MANDATORY STERILIZATION for all illegal aliens. Just to be sure, sex would be a felony. Sarcasm is a wonderful thing Only hetero sex - cuz - what babies can be made then?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #114 June 9, 2010 Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #115 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #116 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. Effective implementation of the first option is essential. Without that, the second part becomes astronomically expensive and ugly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #117 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. Effective implementation of the first option is essential. Without that, the second part becomes astronomically expensive and ugly. It already is - But you are missing a third part of the solution. REQUIRE that the bordering countries provide more assistance in the securing of the border and MUCH less advocation. Keep the monies here somehow, and there will be less incentive to illegally enter.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #118 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. Effective implementation of the first option is essential. Without that, the second part becomes astronomically expensive and ugly. It already is - But you are missing a third part of the solution. REQUIRE that the bordering countries provide more assistance in the securing of the border and MUCH less advocation. Keep the monies here somehow, and there will be less incentive to illegally enter. That would be nice, but not as effective and certainly not very enforceable. Let's enforce our own hiring laws before we focus on forcing Mexico to make it's citizens happier Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #119 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. Effective implementation of the first option is essential. Without that, the second part becomes astronomically expensive and ugly. It already is - But you are missing a third part of the solution. REQUIRE that the bordering countries provide more assistance in the securing of the border and MUCH less advocation. Keep the monies here somehow, and there will be less incentive to illegally enter. That would be nice, but not as effective and certainly not very enforceable. Let's enforce our own hiring laws before we focus on forcing Mexico to make it's citizens happier WHY can't we do all of those things simultaneously? Do you have a reason NOT to? Take away logistics and answer the question that way.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,634 #120 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. The Border Patrol is short of recruits. When are you applying? Nice working conditions (warm, dry). www.jobmonkey.com/governmentjobs/border-patrol-jobs.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #121 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. The Border Patrol is short of recruits. When are you applying? Nice working conditions (warm, dry). www.jobmonkey.com/governmentjobs/border-patrol-jobs.html I don't fit the entry criteria. I made inquiries, and I considered it, but I was denied that opportunity.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #122 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. Effective implementation of the first option is essential. Without that, the second part becomes astronomically expensive and ugly. It already is - But you are missing a third part of the solution. REQUIRE that the bordering countries provide more assistance in the securing of the border and MUCH less advocation. Keep the monies here somehow, and there will be less incentive to illegally enter. That would be nice, but not as effective and certainly not very enforceable. Let's enforce our own hiring laws before we focus on forcing Mexico to make it's citizens happier WHY can't we do all of those things simultaneously? Do you have a reason NOT to? Take away logistics and answer the question that way. That's fine, but without placing a very high priority on the first, the other two will go nowhere. (pretty close to the current situation) Placing top priority on either of the other two is futile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #123 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote How about instead if we revoke the citizenship of any Americans who illegally hire and exploit a class of people? all of your sarcasm aside, this is where the solution lies. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants. That is only a partial solution. The other part, the biggest part and the most crucial part is to secure the borders. Effective implementation of the first option is essential. Without that, the second part becomes astronomically expensive and ugly. It already is - But you are missing a third part of the solution. REQUIRE that the bordering countries provide more assistance in the securing of the border and MUCH less advocation. Keep the monies here somehow, and there will be less incentive to illegally enter. That would be nice, but not as effective and certainly not very enforceable. Let's enforce our own hiring laws before we focus on forcing Mexico to make it's citizens happier WHY can't we do all of those things simultaneously? Do you have a reason NOT to? Take away logistics and answer the question that way. That's fine, but without placing a very high priority on the first, the other two will go nowhere. (pretty close to the current situation) Placing top priority on either of the other two is futile. I believe that the money is the most imnportant part of the equasion here. If the monies have to stay here - not as many would want to sneak in.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,126 #124 June 9, 2010 QuoteI believe that the money is the most imnportant part of the equasion here. If the monies have to stay here - not as many would want to sneak in.How do you propose keeping money in the US? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #125 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteI believe that the money is the most imnportant part of the equasion here. If the monies have to stay here - not as many would want to sneak in.How do you propose keeping money in the US? Wendy P. I don't know. That is why I said "Somehow". Do you disagree that it would make a difference and would be a prominent factor when making the decision to try to breach the border illegally?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
