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That's actually consistent with what I'm saying. Faith is faith- square peg, square hole; while science and the facts of the physical universe are what they are - round peg, round hole. The trouble occurs when the religious try to ram their square peg into the round hole. They are separate; leave them that way.

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I can't describe the feeling I get when I actually agree with you on something. My entire point is that reality is bigger than " science" can define or prove by the limited means available to it for discovery.

Makes sense to me.

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Hate to put a little fly in your well thought out logic, but my point is there is a lot of well organized stuff out there. Either it all was initiated by an external source at a point in time or possibly is a part of God and has existed forever. Either way our universe or multiverse is not there to be defined by us, but we are here to be defined by it.

Well organized for what?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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>>All we know from History is through what is written down & passed on. There is more evidence for the case of Christianity than any other event in History; if it wasn't for the resurrection more people would believe. It's that 1 claim that makes people go: "nahhhhhhhhhhhh.
Dude, this has to be the most ridiculous thing that I've ever read in my life. How can you guys expect to be taken seriously when you say stuff like this??!!! You're saying that that there is more evidence for the case of Christianity than for say... The fact that the earth is over 4 Billion years old??? Or mayyyybeeee, EVOLUTION... Right of course, the mountains of evidence supporting evolution are nothing compared to the evidence supporting the case for Christianity.

Lionel Hutz: We've plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence.

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That's actually consistent with what I'm saying. Faith is faith- square peg, square hole; while science and the facts of the physical universe are what they are - round peg, round hole. The trouble occurs when the religious try to ram their square peg into the round hole. They are separate; leave them that way.

I can't describe the feeling I get when I actually agree with you on something. My entire point is that reality is bigger than " science" can define or prove by the limited means available to it for discovery.

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But that is not consistent with the point I was making. Just because you can imagine something spiritual or religious, and be persuaded (read: indoctrinated) in your own mind that it is real, doesn't place in in the realm of reality anywhere outside your own imagination. And the fact that others may believe similarly is immaterial to that.

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But that is not consistent with the point I was making. Just because you can imagine something spiritual or religious, and be persuaded (read: indoctrinated) in your own mind that it is real, doesn't place in in the realm of reality anywhere outside your own imagination. And the fact that others may believe similarly is immaterial to that.

But repeatable results by independent investigators who's trust in the Lord is rewarded by blessings beyond their wildest dreams gives support to the theory: God is Love and our hope is in Him...... "Come to Me all you who are heavy laden and I will give you peace"

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Don't forget the thousands of believers who get buried alive in earthquakes.

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Don't forget the thousands of believers who get buried alive in earthquakes.

Sorry, the data of those who perished in earthquakes was not available to be included in this
study. But I would speculate that if a random group of people found themselves buried in an earthquake there would be a correlation between the number of atheists found there as with the number found in fox holes.

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>>Hate to put a little fly in your well thought out logic, but my point is there is a lot of well organized stuff out there. Either it all was initiated by an external source at a point in time or possibly is a part of God and has existed forever. Either way our universe or multiverse is not there to be defined by us, but we are here to be defined by it. <<

And yet another crappy creationist argument, "The false Dichotomy" So either the universe was initiated by an external source, or god put it here.

Sounds like you're arguing the "everything has a beginning and end idea. That could very well be a concept that was created by man. All matter and energy ie. universe/multiverse could have had no "beginning" and has simply existed foreve.

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Don't forget the thousands of believers who get buried alive in earthquakes.

Sorry, the data of those who perished in earthquakes was not available to be included in this
study. But I would speculate that if a random group of people found themselves buried in an earthquake there would be a correlation between the number of atheists found there as with the number found in fox holes.

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>but my point is there is a lot of well organized stuff out there.

Yep. But what you perceive as order is generally just increasing entropy. The Giant's Causeway really wasn't created by a giant (or by God) - it was created because those hexagonal tiles were the lowest energy form that rock could crystallize in under those conditions.

If you could point to a rock/planet/star system/nebula and say "you know, that's impossible without some massive external organizing force" you'd have a good argument that God (or some Godlike force) was intervening. So far, no one has found such a thing.

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Don't forget the thousands of believers who get buried alive in earthquakes.

Everybody dies!

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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it is appointed for men to die once

Anyone who believes that has never done stand-up comedy.

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it is appointed for men to die once

Anyone who believes that has never done stand-up comedy.

Apparently, no one finds me very humorous around these parts. But, this is fantasy land. Nothing here counts for much.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Don't forget the thousands of believers who get buried alive in earthquakes.

Everybody dies!

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment

What part of "alive" do you not understand?

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Don't forget the thousands of believers who get buried alive in earthquakes.

Everybody dies!

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment

What part of "alive" do you not understand?

The context in which you are using the word. Do you mean the thousands that were buried and survived? In that case it could be construed as answered prayer by a benevolent God and would be rightly reported as a miracle.

Or do you mean the thousands that were buried and died? In that situation it is rightly reported as a tragedy.

I suppose you are discounting all the those who died before the earthquake and were just reburied.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Don't forget the thousands of believers who get buried alive in earthquakes.

Everybody dies!

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment

What part of "alive" do you not understand?

The context in which you are using the word. Do you mean the thousands that were buried and survived? In that case it could be construed as answered prayer by a benevolent God and would be rightly reported as a miracle.

Or do you mean the thousands that were buried and died? In that situation it is rightly reported as a tragedy.

I suppose you are discounting all the those who died before the earthquake and were just reburied.

I doubt many of us would choose being buried alive for a week or so, before dying a very unpleasant death, to be a good way to go. However, your OMNIPOTENT God seems to think it appropriate for many of his believers.

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I doubt many of us would choose being buried alive for a week or so, before dying a very unpleasant death, to be a good way to go. However, your OMNIPOTENT God seems to think it appropriate for many of his believers.

His Son was crucified on a wooden cross. All of the original disciples suffered horribly at death. The exception was John. He was tortured then exiled.

It is not how we go to death but, the confidence we have on the journey that is of paramount importance.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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And yet another crappy creationist argument, "The false Dichotomy" So either the universe was initiated by an external source, or god put it here.

Sounds like you're arguing the "everything has a beginning and end idea. That could very well be a concept that was created by man. All matter and energy ie. universe/multiverse could have had no "beginning" and has simply existed foreve.

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define "self-awareness" in the universe.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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Yep. But what you perceive as order is generally just increasing entropy. The Giant's Causeway really wasn't created by a giant (or by God) - it was created because those hexagonal tiles were the lowest energy form that rock could crystallize in under those conditions.

If you could point to a rock/planet/star system/nebula and say "you know, that's impossible without some massive external organizing force" you'd have a good argument that God (or some Godlike force) was intervening. So far, no one has found such a thing.

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define "self-awareness" in the universe.

Us , Homo sapien sapien. We are, therefore we exist.

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Anyhow, explain why your argument applies to blessings received by believers, but not to the suffering of believers who are victims of "acts of God". And do try to avoid the lame "god works in mysterious ways" non-explanation.