vortexring 0 #26 January 10, 2010 Unusually cold here in England...and Beijing. Although it was tropically toastie in Koh Samui; thank f for that. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #27 January 10, 2010 Quote>Ever notice that hotter summers and warmer winters are evidence of >global warming, but cooler summers and colder winters are 'just weather'? 75F here today. Irrelevant, bill. I say it's irrelevant because it makes a competing point. Also, because I was specifically limiting this to the AO as much as possible. As stated, it was warmer in a number of places. And, just 250 miles north, here in Fresno, we maxed out at 51 degrees. But, seeing as your and my temperatures are pretty insignificant deviations from the mean, I would think that you are putting this in for the heck of it. What's been going on with the AO is pretty damned significant in its intensity. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 January 10, 2010 Quote Unusually cold here in England...and Beijing. Although it was tropically toastie in Koh Samui; thank f for that. I saw a satty pic...looks like the whole of England is snow-covered.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #29 January 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe sides now participating in the spinning of this winter - which appears to be particularly harsh in the Northern Hemisphere. "What happened to global warming?". "Here's proof that it isn't happening." . Not unusually cold here in Chicago. well, it's 120% of last year for heating degree days. And today's high was over 30 degrees below the record of 60 degrees set back in '80. sorry. 1880. And of course, you know that your temperature is irrelevant to the Northern hemisphere as a whole and the AO. I wonder - what is the source of Chicago's hot air? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #30 January 10, 2010 Indeed mate, I think I might of seen the same picture you mention; worst of the weather is in the east; air mass causing it all is coming from the north east (Polar/Scandinavia/Russia) itself. Nice to have a proper winter for a change though. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 January 10, 2010 Quote Indeed mate, I think I might of seen the same picture you mention; worst of the weather is in the east; air mass causing it all is coming from the north east (Polar/Scandinavia/Russia) itself. Nice to have a proper winter for a change though. Best dig through the closet for your snowshoes!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #32 January 10, 2010 Quote> It would be much cooler if we all ate better. Not enough whale in our diet, no doubt. Cruelty-free whaling: whales, disoriented by being blinded by silver halogen headlights, jump into the fishing boats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 January 10, 2010 QuoteQuote> It would be much cooler if we all ate better. Not enough whale in our diet, no doubt. Cruelty-free whaling: whales, disoriented by being blinded by silver halogen headlights, jump into the fishing boats. So, NOW we know why Moby Dick attacked the Pequod.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #34 January 10, 2010 Quote Quote So who gives a shit? Al Gore's 'carbon credit' company? There is another two other companies setting themselves up to make Billions should cap n tax get put into place GE and EXON"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #35 January 10, 2010 Quote Quote The sides now participating in the spinning of this winter - which appears to be particularly harsh in the Northern Hemisphere. "What happened to global warming?". "Here's proof that it isn't happening." . Not unusually cold here in Chicago. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/jan/14/local/chi-tom-skilling-explainer_0114jan14 Dont get me wrong. I think it is just part of the natural climatic cycle"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #36 January 10, 2010 Why would we put any stock into someone who changes the rules, in the middle of the game, just because they realize that the outcome isn't going to be in their favor? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #37 January 10, 2010 Maybe it's you and maybe it's me but I don't know what you mean. It's probably me. I'm a little thick today. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #38 January 10, 2010 Well, it was Global Warming, until they realized that it wasn't actually getting warmer. Then, the name was changed to Climate Change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #39 January 10, 2010 True. It's Climate change now. But warming. Just look at the Copenhagen summit, where a researcher posted his estimate of 6 feet of sea level rise by 2100. Others (like the Met) denounced it. He responded by saying it's likely an underestimate. He based it on IPCC estinate of 6.4 degrees of warming - which seems a little high based on current trends. Doubters - yes. Current trends. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 January 10, 2010 QuoteTrue. It's Climate change now. But warming. Just look at the Copenhagen summit, where a researcher posted his estimate of 6 feet of sea level rise by 2100. Others (like the Met) denounced it. He responded by saying it's likely an underestimate. He based it on IPCC estinate of 6.4 degrees of warming - which seems a little high based on current trends. Doubters - yes. Current trends. Better hope its all a fantasy... your part of the valley will make a nice inland sea... very soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #41 January 11, 2010 QuoteWell, it was Global Warming, until they realized that it wasn't actually getting warmer. . What isn't?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #42 January 11, 2010 Global Warming is not the preferred term. "Climate Change" is much more vague. Since climate is always changing, there is simply no way to be wrong. So call it climate change, add "anthropogenic" to it, and you are set. [Cool] My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #43 January 11, 2010 Why do they refer to the medieval warm period as the "Medieval Optimum?" Sounds like a good thing to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #44 January 11, 2010 QuoteGlobal Warming is not the preferred term. "Climate Change" is much more vague. Since climate is always changing, there is simply no way to be wrong. So call it climate change, add "anthropogenic" to it, and you are set. [Cool] Of course, there IS another hemisphere on this planet. www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/climate/change/20100105.shtml... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #45 January 11, 2010 Four things: (1) My explicit references to the Northern Hemisphere would put most on notice of a Southern counterpart; (2) My discussion was specifically with regard to the Northern Hemisphere, the AO, and the balancing effect the cold temperatures will have on global climate; (3) Please make up your mind about whether local weather has any implication on climate research; and (4) Hot temperatures in Australia are no more oroof of global climatew change (AGW) than cold temperatures in the north disprove it. I figure you know these things. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #46 January 11, 2010 Climate has changed thousand of times through out Earth’s history… We all know that. A major volcanic eruption can cause more trouble in our weather system than we can imagine. …but It took millions and millions of years to have all of our carbon based energy resources deposited (oil, coal, and natural gas). We sent a big chunk of it up to the atmosphere as CO2 only in 100-150 years!!! I think it’s pretty obvious this human made pollution has some major effect on Earth’s climate. It’s silly to say this whole issue is Al Gore’s “evil liberal agenda”. The scary part of it is if we just stop carbon emission (like not burning fossil fuels at all) would collapse the world’s economical, political, and social structure. But if we don’t stop using carbon based energy then “Mother Nature” will take care of us sooner or later. Nikola Tesla saw this problem coming in 1904 already! (way before Al Gore)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #47 January 11, 2010 Quote Nikola Tesla saw this problem coming in 1904 already! (way before Al Gore)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla Tesla just couldn't figure out how to make any money on it.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #48 January 11, 2010 QuoteClimate has changed thousand of times through out Earth’s history… We all know that. A major volcanic eruption can cause more trouble in our weather system than we can imagine. Too right. QuoteIt took millions and millions of years to have all of our carbon based energy resources deposited (oil, coal, and natural gas). We sent a big chunk of it up to the atmosphere as CO2 only in 100-150 years!!! True. Much was sequestered, etc., and released. I agree - to think it has no effect seems silly. It's "what is the effect and how big is it?" QuoteIt’s silly to say this whole issue is Al Gore’s “evil liberal agenda”. True. I don't find it to be an evil liberal agenda. In fact, I think Al Gore is the most genius capitalist of the last half century. He created a market and is a bazillionnaire. Follow the money... It was stated just a few days ago by some coal guys in West Virginia quite nicely: "Global Warming is a political and legal reality." What they meant is that regardless of fact, it is reality. Repeat something enough and people will believe it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #49 January 12, 2010 "Tesla just couldn't figure out how to make any money on it. " He wasn't a money man at all! All the money he made or received as a grant he used for his researches. He was a very rare individual... The link I attached in the previous post actually tells about his whole life story. Just read it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #50 January 12, 2010 Global Warming 0 vs Global Cooling 1 Where are the GW cheerleaders when you need them?*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
