brenthutch 388 #1 December 10, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrw6ih8Gto&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #2 December 10, 2009 Even more shocking news!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPDyfNVUt08&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #3 December 10, 2009 What part of that did you think was new? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #4 December 10, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrw6ih8Gto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley Spoiler: He's a bible thumping moron with no science background and thinks everyone with AIDS should be quarantined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #5 December 10, 2009 Even the second guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #6 December 10, 2009 QuoteEven the second guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lilley A conservative politician with no science background? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #7 December 10, 2009 Quote Spoiler: He's a bible thumping moron with no science background and thinks everyone with AIDS should be quarantined. u think they shouldnt!?!?!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #8 December 10, 2009 They are both complete jackasses to be sure, and I am sure they are wrong on every point, I just need someone to help me refute their data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #9 December 10, 2009 QuoteThey are both complete jackasses to be sure, and I am sure they are wrong on every point, I just need someone to help me refute their data. Why? If you are interested in the truth you will question all data, not just that you disagree with. More importantly you will limit your inquiries to people whose training indicates they might know something. ie scientists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #10 December 10, 2009 Is Dr Michael Mann (Introduced to me as "Mr global warming") good enough for you? During a 1/2 hour conversation at a local watering hole, we shot the global warming breeze, about 6 months ago. It turns out that he was lying to my face and used data he knew to be false to support his position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #11 December 10, 2009 As I said, question all data. Being a scientist doesn't mean he's right. But not being a scientist means the best he can do is quote someone else's (a scientist perhaps) work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #12 December 10, 2009 To be specific, I asked him about the lack of warming in the last 10 years. He told me that there was no slowing of the warming trend and that the planat was still warming Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #13 December 10, 2009 QuoteTo be specific, I asked him about the lack of warming in the last 10 years. He told me that there was no slowing of the warming trend and that the planat was still warming That's not a lie. 1998 was the hottest year on record. The ten years since have been cooler, therefore the deniers say that the planet has been cooling for the last ten years. Even a cursory look at the temperature data shows that the planet is still warming, there just happened to be a particularly hot year ten years ago. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #14 December 10, 2009 Quote Quote Spoiler: He's a bible thumping moron with no science background and thinks everyone with AIDS should be quarantined. u think they shouldnt!?!?!? They can be quarantined in minarets! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,644 #15 December 10, 2009 QuoteTo be specific, I asked him about the lack of warming in the last 10 years. He told me that there was no slowing of the warming trend and that the planat was still warming Apparently you don't know the difference between a trend and an outlying data point. I suggest you learn some science BEFORE criticizing scientists.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skiskyrock 0 #16 December 10, 2009 QuoteIs Dr Michael Mann (Introduced to me as "Mr global warming") good enough for you? During a 1/2 hour conversation at a local watering hole, we shot the global warming breeze, about 6 months ago. It turns out that he was lying to my face and used data he knew to be false to support his position. For a scientist, that sort of accusation is just about as welcome as an accusation of child molestation. I'm curious... if you met him in the bar face to face again, what exactly would you accuse him of? How would you back up your accusation? This whole climategate business is almost as bad as the McCarthy hearings; possibly worse since the communist party did actually exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #17 December 10, 2009 He obviously doesn't know jack about it so I'm not sure what they could possibly talk about for 30 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 December 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteTo be specific, I asked him about the lack of warming in the last 10 years. He told me that there was no slowing of the warming trend and that the planat was still warming Apparently you don't know the difference between a trend and an outlying data point. I suggest you learn some science BEFORE criticizing scientists. Science = 'fudging the data until it matches the hypothesis', now? My, how times have changed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kj126 0 #19 December 11, 2009 If its Global warming why the F&^% am I so cold. I Am Sofa King We Todd Did!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #20 December 11, 2009 QuoteIf its Global warming why the F&^% am I so cold 'Cause climate change covers everything!!!! Rain, drought, wind, calm, sunshine, clouds, hurricanes, no hurricanes, heatwaves, cold snaps, blizzards and everything in between!! Ever read Michael Crichton's State of Fear??? An entertaining read.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 December 11, 2009 Crighton would have had a field day with the stuff coming out now...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #22 December 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteTo be specific, I asked him about the lack of warming in the last 10 years. He told me that there was no slowing of the warming trend and that the planat was still warming Apparently you don't know the difference between a trend and an outlying data point. I suggest you learn some science BEFORE criticizing scientists. Science = 'fudging the data until it matches the hypothesis', now? My, how times have changed. +1 -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #23 December 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteTo be specific, I asked him about the lack of warming in the last 10 years. He told me that there was no slowing of the warming trend and that the planat was still warming Apparently you don't know the difference between a trend and an outlying data point. I suggest you learn some science BEFORE criticizing scientists. Um, there has been extensive discussion in the climate community about the "pause" in warming with no explanation. No volcano or strong La Nina. It just stalled. Today - 1998 is an outlier. Nothing to see there. 1999 - this is way worse that we predicted. By 2008, we expect to see a .2 degree increase from this. This is a wakeup call to all and proof. John - nobody predicted this decade-long pause. Not predicted. Data does not match the predictions. We can compare the data with the predictions. They don't match, and match less and less. I personally want an answer. I've explained my theories but lack the data to show it. I reckon I could manufacture some, find some proxies, etc., and disprove a couple of them. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #24 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote If its Global warming why the F&^% am I so cold 'Cause climate change covers everything!!!! Yes, but he ask about global warming, not climate change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #25 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote If its Global warming why the F&^% am I so cold 'Cause climate change covers everything!!!! Yes, but he ask about global warming, not climate change. Global warming is so ten years ago. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
