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>Reid and the NBC poll are both full of shit:
>From Rasmussen:
Republican Reports has a poll that says bad things about the health care plan! Who woulda thunk it?
Now, don't tell me that FOX News has a report critical of the health care plan. Because that would be, like, the last nail in the coffin.
>From Rasmussen:
Republican Reports has a poll that says bad things about the health care plan! Who woulda thunk it?
Now, don't tell me that FOX News has a report critical of the health care plan. Because that would be, like, the last nail in the coffin.
QuoteThe polls are clear. The will of the people is a strong public option.
No. It's not. If the will of the people is really your concern,which it isn't, then you should change the tone of your rants.
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Quote>Reid and the NBC poll are both full of shit:
>From Rasmussen:
Republican Reports has a poll that says bad things about the health care plan! Who woulda thunk it?
Now, don't tell me that FOX News has a report critical of the health care plan. Because that would be, like, the last nail in the coffin.
Well, here ya go. A nicely summerized chart so discrediting sources is easier (or harder).
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mnealtx 0
Quote>Reid and the NBC poll are both full of shit:
>From Rasmussen:
Republican Reports has a poll that says bad things about the health care plan! Who woulda thunk it?
Republican Reports? Nice sour grapes you have going on, Bill - you certainly didn't seem to have a problem with them when they showed the public supporting the healthcare bill.
Btw, I guess pollster.com must be a Republican mouthpiece, too - they show the WSJ as being 43 approve, 48 disapprove.
I'm sure it was just some simple mistake from the reporter and not malice aforethought like Fox not catching a mistake in an AP story.
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***“All the national polls show a wide majority of Americans support the public option,” Senator Reid said on Monday.
Poll results tend to back up Reid’s assertion that voters approve the public option. In an Oct. 21 Gallup survey, for instance, 50 percent of respondents thought a healthcare bill should include a public, government-run insurance plan.
Poll results tend to back up Reid’s assertion that voters approve the public option. In an Oct. 21 Gallup survey, for instance, 50 percent of respondents thought a healthcare bill should include a public, government-run insurance plan.
I'm a lot of things before I'm a statistician but, uh....
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteQuotein reality it will likely just bring .......
Is that the same "reality" that provided your aviation analogy?
And what's wrong with it, Airbus came from nowhere and has kicked the conglomeration known as Boeing/Douglas all to shit, as I posted. Yes, that's the same analogy. They're the #1 acft builder in the world last I checked.
And do you know why?
It is easy to be "competitive" with government subsidizing your efforts. But then, you are all for that are you not?
So much for fair.....
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteThe polls are clear. The will of the people is a strong public option.
No. It's not. If the will of the people is really your concern,which it isn't, then you should change the tone of your rants.
The "will of the people"
I suspect the majority of people want to see some kind of reform of private health care
I do not believe the majority of people want this bill or the concepts so far proposed by members of congress
so in that case, either side can claim victory by just noting the will of the people is "reform, just not this version"
I do not believe the majority of people want government healthcare either, so I'd say the will of the people is "reform private healthcare, or only have government cover the gap and not the whole populace"
imo - funjumpers' emotional/angry appeals are entertaining, but nothing to really work with here
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
pirana 0
QuoteThe public option is the only practical way to force costs down.
If it is subsidized versus being forced to compete on equal grounds, then not only is it not the only way, but it will have the opposite effect. There is a window here to actually reduce the total bureacracy supporting health care financing - a subsidized government plan will have the opposite effect.
If it is not subsidized, then it just becomes another competitor - in which case it will fail or succeed on it's own merits. While it is certainly open to debate, I doubt very much a government run plan could be competitive - given the government's track record of actually trying to operate a business.
The government should regulate, not compete. They need to overhaul the rules in a manner that encourages competition, modernization, and innovation; and act as a clearinghouse.
And for anyone who thinks Medicare and/or Medicaid is a model or proof that they can - keep in mind that those are pretty narrow product offerings to a narrow market. And if they (the product offerings and pricing) were so great, we would not have so many carriers doing such brisk business in the Medicare Supplement business.
The Medicare Supplement market exists because Medicare coverage alone, even with it's heavy subsidization, is crap coverage.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
Andy9o8 0
QuoteLooks Like ANY Public Option is DOA YES!!!
Oh, goody! Hopefully we can lose out on another Olympics, too. Yay!
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteLooks Like ANY Public Option is DOA YES!!!
Oh, goody! Hopefully we can lose out on another Olympics, too. Yay!
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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotein reality it will likely just bring .......
Is that the same "reality" that provided your aviation analogy?
And what's wrong with it, Airbus came from nowhere and has kicked the conglomeration known as Boeing/Douglas all to shit, as I posted. Yes, that's the same analogy. They're the #1 acft builder in the world last I checked.
And do you know why?
It is easy to be "competitive" with government subsidizing your efforts. But then, you are all for that are you not?
So much for fair.....
You know Rush has run out of things to say when he uses emoticons to the excess.
As for gov subsidizing a market that you infer is a losing battle. First off, I'll tell you a fact you can later claim you already knew, Scarebus is a multi-national consortium of several W.E. nations, so you're saying that all or many of these nations are treating the mission as a loss situation as all socialist nations do; dump tons of cash with no return. So if this happened, the dollar value would drop, I mean, it's not as if they make it up anywhere else - they're socialists so they will have a failed economy, right?
Well then explain how their currency is kicking our asses. Even Canada is kicking our ass again, they're 7 cents from even and they were at 3 cents a short time ago. The pound went to 2:1 under the end of Bush's term so make a valid point.
And isn't the real welfare comming from our gov to Boeing in the form of military contract? I wonder how much of that wasteful 787 is funded by either direct US gov input ot indirect military program socialism?
So much for fair......
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteLooks Like ANY Public Option is DOA YES!!!
Oh, goody! Hopefully we can lose out on another Olympics, too. Yay!
I bet he hates Michael Phelps
TomAiello 25
QuoteQuoteLooks Like ANY Public Option is DOA YES!!!
Oh, goody! Hopefully we can lose out on another Olympics, too. Yay!
Opposing a particular political agenda (for example, a war in a remote part of the world) is _not_ the same as hoping your country fails, contrary to the assertions of whichever side happens to support that agenda.
Example:
TA: I think Roe v. Wade was a poor decision, and ought to be overturned.
BV: I don't think so.
TA: What, you want America to fail?
See how ridiculous it is?
Andy9o8 0
QuoteOpposing a particular political agenda (for example, a war in a remote part of the world) is _not_ the same as hoping your country fails, contrary to the assertions of whichever side happens to support that agenda.
Oh, I agree with that, in general principle. But in this individual example, the OP's title struck me as cheerleading for a basically reactionary way of thinking - in this case, for just letting the same, old dysfunctional shit slide.
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotein reality it will likely just bring .......
Is that the same "reality" that provided your aviation analogy?
And what's wrong with it, Airbus came from nowhere and has kicked the conglomeration known as Boeing/Douglas all to shit, as I posted. Yes, that's the same analogy. They're the #1 acft builder in the world last I checked.
And do you know why?
It is easy to be "competitive" with government subsidizing your efforts. But then, you are all for that are you not?
So much for fair.....
You know Rush has run out of things to say when he uses emoticons to the excess.
As for gov subsidizing a market that you infer is a losing battle. First off, I'll tell you a fact you can later claim you already knew, Scarebus is a multi-national consortium of several W.E. nations, so you're saying that all or many of these nations are treating the mission as a loss situation as all socialist nations do; dump tons of cash with no return. So if this happened, the dollar value would drop, I mean, it's not as if they make it up anywhere else - they're socialists so they will have a failed economy, right?
Well then explain how their currency is kicking our asses. Even Canada is kicking our ass again, they're 7 cents from even and they were at 3 cents a short time ago. The pound went to 2:1 under the end of Bush's term so make a valid point.
And isn't the real welfare comming from our gov to Boeing in the form of military contract? I wonder how much of that wasteful 787 is funded by either direct US gov input ot indirect military program socialism?
So much for fair......
No, been using them since long befor you got here.
As for the rest of your post, you may want to check out the conflict regarding said post
And the reason the currency is taking a hit is because the gov is printing it at record rates (for one reason)
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
So when data supports your position it's great, when not it's BS data? I understand
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