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mnealtx 0
QuoteThere's your hypocrisy, QED.
Just the same as we see right here in this forum. Folks who sat on their hands when Bush was prez, but suddenly find fiscal responsibility when a Dem is in the White House.
Then the people that spent 8 years bitching about the wasted money while Bush was President and are now sitting on their hands are even WORSE hypocrites.
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LyraM45 0
QuoteKallend posted the link to this. The content is sure to piss off the righies, as the facts presented are indisputable.
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The Tea Party Express has hit Washington and while there are many sincere people involved in the Tea Party protests and they have valid points to make about government spending, the entire movement is stained by the fact that its organized by conservatives who are the ones responsible for the mess in the first place and who haven't to this day, taken responsibility for their own mistakes and the economic mess they created by letting George W Bush get away with his disastrous policies.
The problem for the sincere Tea Party protesters is the entire movement is conservative organized which. unfortunately completely undermines iits credibility.
It was the conservatives who, after 8 years of the greatest economic expansion in history during the Clinton years, came to power and intentionally undid everything Clinton did, reversing all of Clinton's policies. And anyone with half a brain knows that if you do the opposite of anything you will get the opposite results. And that's what the Republicans did. And that's what the country got. Now the conservatives are shaking their baby rattles and complaining.
It was a conservative Republican administration and a conservative Republican congress who blew a $5 1/2 trillion budget surplus. They destroyed the balanced budget they inherited, and after Clinton had eliminated the deficit, they exploded the deficit to record levels with their war and tax policies.
It was a conservative Republican government that took the country from the greatest economic expansion in history, lowest unemployment in 40 years, a balanced budget and record surpluses to deficits, unemployment and the greatest economic crisis since the 1930's.
So during these Tea Party protests conservatives are showing why the word "hypocrite" should be part of the dictionary definition of conservative.
They said nothing and did nothing while Bush and the Republican congress were getting the country into deeper and deeper trouble. The conservatives who organize the Tea Party protests sat on their hands and did nothing. They did nothing when the balanced budget was destroyed, nothing when Bush exploded the deficit, nothing when Bush cut taxes instead of raising them to pay for the war he started.
This means that nothing the conservative organizers have to say can or should be taken seriously or be seen as anything other than cheap partisan politics. And that is too bad since there are legitimate issues to be dealt with. And while not everyone who is protesting is a conservative, the protests bear the conservative stamp. And that is the Kiss of Death. Because conservatives forfeited their right to be taken seriously by playing Hear No Evil ,See No Evil ,Speak No Evil during 8 years of the disastrous Bush Administration.
They proved there are no real principles behind the organizing of these protests even if some of the people who join them do so out of principle. But for the organizers its only a lust for power and their motivation is politics.
When Bush became the first President in history to take the country to war and cut taxes at the same time they said nothing. They just happily took their tax cuts, supported the unnecessary war in Iraq and were happy not to pay for it and pass the cost along. Exactly what they are complaining about now. They simply don't want to pay for their mistakes. But they will, like it or not. Which is why the Tea Party protests from conservatives have not so much to do with tea but with whine.
If the legitimate Tea Party protestors want to be taken seriously they are going to have to split from the conservative Republican organizers of the movement who have no credibility. As long as the Tea Party protests are conservative organized and motivated they will never be taken seriously by the only people in congress who matter -- the Democrats who control both houses.
The Tea Party conservatives not only don't want to pay for their mistakes they don't want to admit they even made mistakes while Bush and the Republicans ran the country's economy into the ground. Instead they want to blame the current president and the current congress.
It isn't a coincidence that now that the Democrats are in power these fiscally concerned conservatives have suddenly found their voice.
The honest Tea Party protestors will need to divorce themselves from any affiliation with Republicans or conservatives, the people who created the problem in the first place and did nothing, if they want to be taken seriously.. Otherwise the only thing these protesters can expect in the end is a lot of tea but no sympathy.
I don't want to look at this and turn it into a who blames who discussion on the economy. The point for me is that this is a group of people complaining about spending. I don't care if they are black, white, purple, orange, republican, domocrat, independent, whatever. The fact remains that these people, who are supposed to be unbiased and only demonstrating because they don't like government spending look awfully biased when all of the sudden a government that has had a huge spending problem for the past 4 if not the whole 8 years now has what they consider a 'spending problem' when they didn't make a peep over the spending for the past 8 years. It just discredits the base behind their whole argument and makes it a little hard for me to view them outside of the group of people that are just disgruntled over Obama no matter what he does. This article is ridden with a lot of opinion, but this is the situation that sticks out to me even before I read this article.
Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)
kallend 1,623
QuoteQuoteQuoteBut I see a lot of grass roots tea party folks who understand that main issue, and want to help.
Disagree. They are a bunch of hypocrites who just want to complain about Obama. Next Republican spendthrift in the White House and they will quiet down again.
So you believe that the spending policies without the revenues are appropriate?
If you think trillion dollar deficits are appropriate then I've lost respect for you.
If you think they are not appropriate then I've lost even more respect because you are being a party partisan toadie.
What's wrong I'd wrong. Even if everybody does it.
Where did I approve of deficits? Link to any post I've made approving of big deficits?
I'm DISAPPROVING of hypocrites, and if the shoe fits, so be it.
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kallend 1,623
QuoteQuoteQuoteBut I see a lot of grass roots tea party folks who understand that main issue, and want to help.
Disagree. They are a bunch of hypocrites who just want to complain about Obama. Next Republican spendthrift in the White House and they will quiet down again.
If you loathe Bush's spending and deficits but refuse to acknowledge the record shattering deficits by Obama, wouldn't that exactly fit your definition of hypocracy?
Gettting out of the wreckage of 20 years of Voodoo Economics was never going to be cheap.
You DO know that much of the spending you criticize as Obama's was instituted by Paulson, right?
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airdvr 197
QuoteWhere did I approve of deficits? Link to any post I've made approving of big deficits?
I'm DISAPPROVING of hypocrites, and if the shoe fits, so be it.
The real question John is 'are you out there being vocal about it?...protesting it in the streets?'
By your own definition if you aren't your being hyopcritical.
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LyraM45 0
QuoteIn Reply To
And when Bush wanted to enter that mess in the ME that has cost us 1T to date we again didn't hear the clammering; where were the tea partiers then????
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Where are the anti-war activists now? Not seeing a whole lot of anti-war stuff out of the dems lately.
I'll say this again though I already said it in another thread somewhere-- Most of the Dem's that got the title "Anti-war" were in fact not anti-war.... they were just anti-war without a cause. Now that we're fighting in Afghanistan we have a cause, which should have been our cause during the Bush administration, to get Bin Laden and the guys who caused 9/11.
Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteHmmm. That's like saying battered wine are as a resukt of them not shutting up.
Act one way. Blakme someone else. That's fucking juvenile.
You don't type very well late at night.
Yea, I had battered wine at the State Fair last year, it was awsome with whiskey shooters.
QuoteI'm DISAPPROVING of hypocrites, and if the shoe fits, so be it.
The inner conflict must be painful, then.
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kallend 1,623
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There's your hypocrisy, QED.
Just the same as we see right here in this forum. Folks who sat on their hands when Bush was prez, but suddenly find fiscal responsibility when a Dem is in the White House.
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Ever hear of tipping point....or 100th monkey theory? Doesn't mean people didn't care before...it just took time (and actions) to create the tipping point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_Monkey
Oh, I see, Bush and Reagan added 99 monkeys and that was OK with the right wingers.
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kallend 1,623
QuoteQuoteI'm DISAPPROVING of hypocrites, and if the shoe fits, so be it.
The inner conflict must be painful, then.
Even 3rd graders can do better than that lame comeback.
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You don't type very well late at night.
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