kbordson 8
QuoteIf some is discriminated against based on their race or sex, it is racism or sexism.
that's not what is happening with affirmative action. a simple analogy would be that racism is the 'weapon' and affirmative action is the 'shield'.
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kbordson 8
QuoteQuoteIf some is discriminated against based on their race or sex, it is racism or sexism.
that's not what is happening with affirmative action. a simple analogy would be that racism is the 'weapon' and affirmative action is the 'shield'.
The negative connontations that you place on words does not change the definition.
QuoteThe negative connontations that you place on words does not change the definition.
here:
QuoteRacism, by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
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Affirmative action does not require an employer to hire an unqualified minority or female for any job.
In jobs where minorites and/or females have historically been discriminated against, affirmative action requires employers to take positive steps when recruiting QUALIFIED applicants to redress the employment imbalance cause by the past discrimination.
Affirmative action makes NO assumption that one race or gender is superior or inferior. It is not, therefore, racist or sexist.
In jobs where minorites and/or females have historically been discriminated against, affirmative action requires employers to take positive steps when recruiting QUALIFIED applicants to redress the employment imbalance cause by the past discrimination.
Affirmative action makes NO assumption that one race or gender is superior or inferior. It is not, therefore, racist or sexist.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.
kbordson 8
QuoteQuoteThe negative connontations that you place on words does not change the definition.
here:QuoteRacism, by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Instead of quoting wiki.... how about the Oxford Dictionary
racism
Or Merriam-Webster
racism
and in case you need even more help - look at definition number 2.
mnealtx 0
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Affirmative action does not require an employer to hire an unqualified minority or female for any job.
In jobs where minorites and/or females have historically been discriminated against, affirmative action requires employers to take positive steps when recruiting QUALIFIED applicants to redress the employment imbalance cause by the past discrimination.
Affirmative action makes NO assumption that one race or gender is superior or inferior. It is not, therefore, racist or sexist.
And in the real world, what happens is that UNqualified people are hired to fill the quotas and the rest of the shop has to carry the dead weight.
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Amazon 7
QuoteAnd in the real world, what happens is that UNqualified people are hired to fill the quotas and the rest of the shop has to carry the dead weight.
Oh yeah....
Only the minorities and women can possibly be hired under affirmative action who then become dead weight in your world...
Best not to hire them then... its so much better to have a good ole boy shop where there can't possibly be any dead weight... but hey.. at least all the good ole boys are comfortable working with each other.
how about cambridge:
Quoteracism
noun (UK OLD-FASHIONED racialism)
the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races.
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kbordson 8
Quotehow about cambridge:
Quoteracism
noun (UK OLD-FASHIONED racialism)
the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races.
sure. That works too.
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Affirmative action does not require an employer to hire an unqualified minority or female for any job.
In jobs where minorites and/or females have historically been discriminated against, affirmative action requires employers to take positive steps when recruiting QUALIFIED applicants to redress the employment imbalance cause by the past discrimination.
Affirmative action makes NO assumption that one race or gender is superior or inferior. It is not, therefore, racist or sexist.
And in the real world, what happens is that UNqualified people are hired to fill the quotas and the rest of the shop has to carry the dead weight.
Don't confuse discrimination with affirmative action. That would be like confusing armed criminals with law abiding gun owners
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BIGUN 1,071
Creating a box which makes a lot of generalizations about segments of society only stands to reinforce those prejudices of race or sex. And, when that box is forced on one; it is the same as getting the ugly lime green sweater from Aunt Tilda and made to keep it in the closet only to be worn for those occasions that Aunt Tilda visits.
Forcing Aunt Tilda's box on one only serves two purposes, 1) to perpetuate resistance, rather than education, and 2) only reinforces to those in the 'box" that they are of "lesser value" and need regulatory assistance.
Forcing Aunt Tilda's box on one only serves two purposes, 1) to perpetuate resistance, rather than education, and 2) only reinforces to those in the 'box" that they are of "lesser value" and need regulatory assistance.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
mnealtx 0
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QuoteAnd in the real world, what happens is that UNqualified people are hired to fill the quotas and the rest of the shop has to carry the dead weight.
Oh yeah....
Only the minorities and women can possibly be hired under affirmative action who then become dead weight in your world...
Best not to hire them then... its so much better to have a good ole boy shop where there can't possibly be any dead weight... but hey.. at least all the good ole boys are comfortable working with each other.
Project much, Jeannie?
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QuoteQuotehow about cambridge:
Quoteracism
noun (UK OLD-FASHIONED racialism)
the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races.
sure. That works too.
How would you propose to remedy past unfair treatment? You ARE aware that, on average, women in equivalent jobs make around 80% of what men make, right?
If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.
rehmwa 2
Quoteno it isn't a good thing. its racism/sexism.
the basic concept is clearly a racist/sexist response to racism/sexism
However, the right/wrong of it would depend on the application, wouldn't it? and that would vary greatly on the company, or even on each hiring decision made.
I would hope that we are beyond this, but it looks like both sides of the argument can't get beyond their petty stereotypes
the 'diversity' argument is a joke though - I've had teams composed all from the same country/sex/race and the individuals were as diverse/unique from each other as could ever be hoped from any other type of 'mixing'. It's an individual thing, not a cosmetic thing.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
kbordson 8
QuoteQuoteQuotehow about cambridge:
Quoteracism
noun (UK OLD-FASHIONED racialism)
the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races.
sure. That works too.
How would you propose to remedy past unfair treatment? You ARE aware that, on average, women in equivalent jobs make around 80% of what men make, right?
Really?! Wow! Thanks for that clue.
So because of that, I am justified allowing discrimination against others? Cool.
Personally - It's hard to change social discrimination. Some people do NOT want to be educated that they are not the best or the brightest. Resistance is (unfortunately) common. But the question is does two wrongs make a right?
you're saying it's 'reverse discrimination' - it seems to me that you are agreeing with me that affirmative action is not racist or sexist.
If some is discriminated against based on their race or sex, it is racism or sexism.
What I was saying is that some believe that it's an acceptable form of racism or sexism.