billvon 2,402 #76 March 5, 2009 >seems just like "Is Sean Penn the REAL head of the Dems?" >goofy Yep. I find it really odd that the head of the GOP is apologizing to this guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #77 March 5, 2009 Quote Quote But basicaly a conservative is someone who beleive more in the people and less in the government. Which means smaller government. less regulation, less taxation, more self reliance, being responcible for your actions and on and on. So what happened to the size of our government between 2001 and 2007, when the so called "conservative" party had the white house and congress? Which party is in bed with the religious folks who want to criminalize drugs, porn, and abortion? Which party supports greater governmental power in the form of warrantless wiretaps, DUI checkpoints, etc? Blues, Dave Dude, show me where I ever supported Bush and the R's over budget and spending. As for the other stuff? Some has existed forever and Obama is going to to keep them all. So, what the hell is your point?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,402 #78 March 5, 2009 I might have to take that back. It's looking like more and more people think Limbaugh IS the head of the GOP. From Mark Halperin: "But I will just say, I will just say again, the White House is going on the offensive. That was the big change late in the week. Attacking Republicans, being more pejorative about people who are opposing this stimulus bill. And I think that it is turning off Republicans, it is forcing them back into the arms of Rush Limbaugh, back into the arms of the conservative base in a way that is not helpful in the short term. He needs a lot of business in the short term." Bizarre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #79 March 5, 2009 QuoteSweden I don't think that is an apples to apples comparison. Scale has a lot to do with the functioning of an economy. Sweden's economy is a small fraction of that of the USA. All forms of governance and participation do not work well on all scales. Comparing the economies of Sweden and the USA would be like me comparing how we run our household to how our county runs it's affairs." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #80 March 5, 2009 QuoteAnd do you think that, getting back to the topic of this thread, you believe that the people that call themselves "conservative Democrats" are represented by the ideals talked about by say "conservative Republicans"? I think the question, as discussed in the article (not poll) you linked is far too broad. I think that the word "conservative" means different things to different people and the word "liberal" has been maligned so much, specifically by Limbaugh, it too has lost its traditional meaning. I would go so far as to say that Limbaugh has reached the "new speak" goal of redefining the language here and that most people have no idea what they're actually talking about when they use the terms. Agreed. The terms have been twisted more ways than a dramatically funneling 16-way zoo dive. I refuse to recognize those uses and go back to the classical meanings, formed back in Europe's dynastic period (the second milenium). Conservatives were the ruling houses that wanted absolute power to reside in the ruling elite. They wanted total control of the masses via their fuedal systems, and involvement of the church only to the extent that it helped control the masses. They wanted no outside interference in their business by any kind of governing body, and were in fact the de facto governing body. What they did not foresee was that their agglomeration of power laid the roots for nationalism that eventually pushed them formally out of power. The liberals were the people that wanted to provide rights and privileges to ordinary people. Thanks to nationialism and the subsequent rise of representative governance, they have pretty much won the day for what passes in general as The Western World. The slow but steady several hundred years march towards socialism IS the liberal agenda. It has retained enough free-market characteristics to remain vibrant, creative, and . . . liberal. In classical terms the USA is an extremely liberal society. A classic conservastive society would have none of this BS where commoners get to make decisions about their lives." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #81 March 5, 2009 QuoteI'm not suggesting you need to take a course in political science or anything, but it wouldn't hurt. Might I suggest A History of Western Political Thought? Well, I guess I did - but will anybody care?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #82 March 5, 2009 QuoteSo the question is: who is/are the REAL leadership of the GOP today? And what does it mean for the Republican Party? ______________________________________________ The real question should be : Who is running the Democratic party? Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid ? or Obama? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #83 March 5, 2009 Quote That is really funny. Liberlaism is what you are describing as Conservativism. Hint: The Monarchists were the Conservatives and the terrorists revolutionary patriots were the Liberals. Ah, I see now this was covered; but in much fewer words than a windy person like me." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #84 March 5, 2009 QuoteIn classical terms the USA is an extremely liberal society. A classic conservastive society would have none of this BS where commoners get to make decisions about their lives. Are there any "Western-style" constitutional democratic republics which, at this moment in history, you would consider to be, on the whole, more conservative societies than the USA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #85 March 5, 2009 Quotedidn't read the thread, just responding to the title seems just like "Is Sean Penn the REAL head of the Dems?" goofy Powerless, effectiveless entertainers at best Yes, both questions have strong appeal to the masses in this age of soundbites and celebrity worship. I think this should be settled with a Sean versus Rush cage match. If that doesn't do it, then we take it down one more notch and host a roller derby." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #86 March 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteIn classical terms the USA is an extremely liberal society. A classic conservastive society would have none of this BS where commoners get to make decisions about their lives. Are there any "Western-style" constitutional democratic republics which, at this moment in history, you would consider to be, on the whole, more conservative societies than the USA? I tend to look at the whole and over a long enough period of time that little blips caused by things like who won the last election are pretty much inconsequential. The noise of day-to-day politics is barely worth listening to (but fun to debate). Besides, a historical perspective gives a much more accurate picture of where we are headed long term. It is extremely difficult to accurately assess the long-term effect of current events while in the midst of them. As a whole, all of western culture is overwhelmingly classic liberal. The differences between any of them is just so insignificantly incremental compared to what came before; and certainly not worth anybody getting their undies in a bundle." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #87 March 5, 2009 So I take it that's a "No". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #88 March 5, 2009 Quote So I take it that's a "No". You take it right. They are, in my eyes, all so close that it doesn't matter." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #89 March 5, 2009 QuoteQuotedidn't read the thread, just responding to the title seems just like "Is Sean Penn the REAL head of the Dems?" goofy Powerless, effectiveless entertainers at best Yes, both questions have strong appeal to the masses in this age of soundbites and celebrity worship. I think this should be settled with a Sean versus Rush cage match. If that doesn't do it, then we take it down one more notch and host a roller derby. I would pay good money to see a cage match with Sean Insanities head stuck up Lush Rimjobs ass.. and vice versa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #90 March 6, 2009 I just happened across this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK4byQkn7w Rather entertaining. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #91 March 6, 2009 Quote I just happened across this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK4byQkn7w Rather entertaining. Yep. And it's exactly why the little pussy never goes anywhere he's not in complete control of the microphones or the audience.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #92 March 6, 2009 Quote Quote I just happened across this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK4byQkn7w Rather entertaining. Yep. And it's exactly why the little pussy never goes anywhere he's not in complete control of the microphones or the audience. Kind of like Obama and his teleprompter huh.........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #93 March 6, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I just happened across this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK4byQkn7w Rather entertaining. Yep. And it's exactly why the little pussy never goes anywhere he's not in complete control of the microphones or the audience. Kind of like Obama and his teleprompter huh.......... If you believe that Obama can't speak without a TelePrompter, you're living in Fantasyland. On the other hand, show me where Limbaugh is willing to go to any venue he's not in complete control of. Show me any recent example of Limbaugh putting himself in front of a crowd made up of random people, some of which are hostile to him, like Obama did a few weeks ago.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 March 6, 2009 QuoteIf you believe that Obama can't speak without a TelePrompter, you're living in Fantasyland. Uh, of COURSE he can, uh, speak without a, er, teleprompter.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #95 March 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteIf you believe that Obama can't speak without a TelePrompter, you're living in Fantasyland. Uh, of COURSE he can, uh, speak without a, er, teleprompter. Are you seriously bagging on Obama for his oratory skills? Seriously? He is, without a doubt and by virtually any standard you want to go by, the best speaker that has held that position for over 24 years. Good god . . . is this really where you guys are going now?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,402 #96 March 6, 2009 >Are you seriously bagging on Obama for his oratory skills? And he SUCKS as a bowler. SUCKS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #97 March 6, 2009 Quote>Are you seriously bagging on Obama for his oratory skills? And he SUCKS as a bowler. SUCKS. The desperation now coming out of the far right is like the winner of an ugly dog & cat contest; just adorably pathetic.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #98 March 6, 2009 QuoteAre you seriously bagging on Obama for his oratory skills? Seriously? Yes, yes, I know... how DARE I say something critical of The One??? QuoteHe is, without a doubt and by virtually any standard you want to go by, the best speaker that has held that position for over 24 years. Got that 'tingle up your leg', Paul? Mrs. Quade know about your man-crush, yet? QuoteGood god . . . is this really where you guys are going now? When is his deification scheduled for, again?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,402 #99 March 6, 2009 > how DARE I say something critical of The One??? Well, that's OK. Just don't criticize Limbaugh! I hear you can lose your job over that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #100 March 6, 2009 QuoteWhen is his deification scheduled for, again? If you guys get to have Reagan, we get to have Obama. Get over it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
