Andy9o8 0 #1 March 4, 2009 New RNC chairman Michael Steele had the audacity of saying that Rush Limbaugh was just "an entertainer", for which he then almost immediately had to issue a public apology. Steele has now been publicly humiliated and emasculated by this. (Don't take my word for it - if you have any doubt, Google: "Steele + Limbaugh + ("humiliation" or "humiliated") [within past week]". I got about 8,550 hits. I also got 235 hits for "Steele + Limbaugh + ("emasculate" or "emasculated" or "emasculation") [within past week]". ) So the question is: who is/are the REAL leadership of the GOP today? And what does it mean for the Republican Party? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #2 March 4, 2009 There's been no leadership in the GOP since Bush took over in 2000.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #3 March 4, 2009 QuoteNew RNC chairman Michael Steele had the audacity of saying that Rush Limbaugh was just "an entertainer", for which he then almost immediately had to issue a public apology. Steele has now been publicly humiliated and emasculated by this. (Don't take my word for it - if you have any doubt, Google: "Steele + Limbaugh + ("humiliation" or "humiliated") [within past week]". I got about 8,550 hits. I also got 235 hits for "Steele + Limbaugh + ("emasculate" or "emasculated" or "emasculation") [within past week]". ) Quote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,123 #4 March 4, 2009 Do you only hope America does well if it's according to how you think things should go? I realize that you don't think it can succeed on the current path, but what if seems to work, and move the country forward towards a generally high standard of living and low unemployment rate (which are two markers of success on a social level). Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #5 March 4, 2009 Quoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #6 March 4, 2009 That's really too bad, but if a politician is going to call Rush for what he is, then they have to know that the teeming masses that consider him God-like are going to be ordered to arms on his very next propoganda hour." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #7 March 4, 2009 QuoteDo you only hope America does well if it's according to how you think things should go? I realize that you don't think it can succeed on the current path, but what if seems to work, and move the country forward towards a generally high standard of living and low unemployment rate (which are two markers of success on a social level). Wendy W. Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? if our system, although not perfect, has endured this long, why would we want to change direction? lets fix the problems not change our entire path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #8 March 4, 2009 You have now failed to answer both my question and Wendy's question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #9 March 4, 2009 Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? Sweden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerryzflies 0 #10 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you only hope America does well if it's according to how you think things should go? I realize that you don't think it can succeed on the current path, but what if seems to work, and move the country forward towards a generally high standard of living and low unemployment rate (which are two markers of success on a social level). Wendy W. Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? if our system, although not perfect, has endured this long, why would we want to change direction? lets fix the problems not change our entire path. SwedenIf you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #11 March 4, 2009 QuoteYou have now failed to answer both my question and Wendy's question. QuoteNo I do not want this country to go towards socialism, and no socialism will not cause us to have a high standard of living for all and in the short term(5-10 years) will not cause a low unemployment rate.. This is not just what I think, it is what alot of americans think. I personally feel, and so do alot of Americans, Obama is wrong and wants him to fail. Not America, just Obama and his intensions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #12 March 4, 2009 It already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #13 March 4, 2009 Quote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #14 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? Right now, Michale Steele. Duh. Rush is the voice of the conservative base. Now as to who is more powerful.... Probably Rush. But that doesnt make him the head of the GOP.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #15 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Yes. That was a bad call.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #16 March 4, 2009 QuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #17 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? Sweden The only reason for Sweden not being take is nobody but the Swedish wants it, not even Hitler wanted it. It is a beautiful country with great people but not what I would consider a model for any nation to follow. the Banking and tourism is what keeps them going. they don't have much to sustain a large population like the USA, Russia, China. most socialist countries abuse and forget about the lower 20% of their population and most of those people live poor dismal lives with no chance to advance themselves or better their lives. Even with our problems with health care, our homeless get better care than in most third world countries. we are the most generous nation in the world thanks to our system and the promotion of generosity by our government. Americans donate and aid people all over the world of their own free will and our government rewards this with tax breaks. Obama wants to take that away. I personally think if Obama's plan does happen we will end alot of our private donations and the world will suffer, including here at home. the richest people in the US donate hundreds of millions every year but Obama's tax plan will have an extreme negative affect on donations and thus will affect the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #18 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Hmm well one that we saved is losing almost 30 million dollars an hour so maybe we wait a minute before we start popping the bottles? I dont know enough about the industry, but i would have liked some middle ground between throwing tons of money at the same people who fucked up, and nationalizing the banks. There has to be something in the middle, i just dont know what it is.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #19 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave QuoteI want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of Americans know this. Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist country with this bill. there is a difference and that is why the rep side had a problem with the bill and why Americans are having a problem with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #20 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #21 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? that is still being worked out, but i like the direction alot of the rep party are leaning to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #22 March 4, 2009 QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. The problem is that capitalism and your constitution are at odds with eachother when it comes to that. It costs a lot to become a politician at that level. Capitalism dictates that they should get the most out of being in that position and that is what politicians have always and will always do, all over the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 3 #23 March 4, 2009 QuoteSo the question is: who is/are the REAL leadership of the GOP today? And what does it mean for the Republican Party? I can't decide if the PNAC is still "in charge" or not. Certainly it's not actually Limbaugh, but clearly there is some sort of struggle going on at the very top between the wealthy backers of the Republican Party and the people that want to be the "face" of it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,402 #24 March 4, 2009 >I want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of >Americans know this. The bill will almost certainly reduce the time it takes the economy to recover. The combination of tax cuts and increased spending will put more money into the consumer economy, and we are primarily a consumer economy. >Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist >country with this bill. Nonsense. We're already a socialist country. We have taxpayer paid police, fire departments and ambulance services. The military is 100% socialist. We have public roads, publicly supported air traffic systems, and public health programs. We fund the CDC to help prevent disease outbreaks, fire watch systems to get fires put out more quickly, and nuclear regulatory commissions to help ensure power plants don't blow up. We're also a capitalist country. We have relatively free trade within the US, have people free to choose their own employment, own housing and own medical care, and people free to screw up and fail miserably. We have people who can invest in risky propositions in the stock market, and people who try to set up new companies and make billions. Most fail, a few succeed. We're also a communist country. We all own the national parks communally. In terms of government, we are a constitutional republic, where a Constitution, not a king, determines the course of our government. We are also a representative government, where we vote in representatives and they represent us in government. We are also a democracy, where the people vote on things directly. We are also a country of laws, and we have a judiciary that can decide that a politician's (or even the people's) actions are not lawful. The reason the US is so successful is NOT that we have insisted on pure democracy, or unregulated capitalism. It is that we take the best parts of each system and get them to all work together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanG 1 #25 March 4, 2009 That was far too well thought out and reasonable for this forum. Could you add in a few epithets and gross exaggerations to make us feel more at home? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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wmw999 2,123 #4 March 4, 2009 Do you only hope America does well if it's according to how you think things should go? I realize that you don't think it can succeed on the current path, but what if seems to work, and move the country forward towards a generally high standard of living and low unemployment rate (which are two markers of success on a social level). Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #5 March 4, 2009 Quoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #6 March 4, 2009 That's really too bad, but if a politician is going to call Rush for what he is, then they have to know that the teeming masses that consider him God-like are going to be ordered to arms on his very next propoganda hour." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #7 March 4, 2009 QuoteDo you only hope America does well if it's according to how you think things should go? I realize that you don't think it can succeed on the current path, but what if seems to work, and move the country forward towards a generally high standard of living and low unemployment rate (which are two markers of success on a social level). Wendy W. Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? if our system, although not perfect, has endured this long, why would we want to change direction? lets fix the problems not change our entire path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #8 March 4, 2009 You have now failed to answer both my question and Wendy's question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #9 March 4, 2009 Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? Sweden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerryzflies 0 #10 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you only hope America does well if it's according to how you think things should go? I realize that you don't think it can succeed on the current path, but what if seems to work, and move the country forward towards a generally high standard of living and low unemployment rate (which are two markers of success on a social level). Wendy W. Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? if our system, although not perfect, has endured this long, why would we want to change direction? lets fix the problems not change our entire path. SwedenIf you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #11 March 4, 2009 QuoteYou have now failed to answer both my question and Wendy's question. QuoteNo I do not want this country to go towards socialism, and no socialism will not cause us to have a high standard of living for all and in the short term(5-10 years) will not cause a low unemployment rate.. This is not just what I think, it is what alot of americans think. I personally feel, and so do alot of Americans, Obama is wrong and wants him to fail. Not America, just Obama and his intensions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #12 March 4, 2009 It already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #13 March 4, 2009 Quote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #14 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? Right now, Michale Steele. Duh. Rush is the voice of the conservative base. Now as to who is more powerful.... Probably Rush. But that doesnt make him the head of the GOP.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #15 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Yes. That was a bad call.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #16 March 4, 2009 QuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #17 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? Sweden The only reason for Sweden not being take is nobody but the Swedish wants it, not even Hitler wanted it. It is a beautiful country with great people but not what I would consider a model for any nation to follow. the Banking and tourism is what keeps them going. they don't have much to sustain a large population like the USA, Russia, China. most socialist countries abuse and forget about the lower 20% of their population and most of those people live poor dismal lives with no chance to advance themselves or better their lives. Even with our problems with health care, our homeless get better care than in most third world countries. we are the most generous nation in the world thanks to our system and the promotion of generosity by our government. Americans donate and aid people all over the world of their own free will and our government rewards this with tax breaks. Obama wants to take that away. I personally think if Obama's plan does happen we will end alot of our private donations and the world will suffer, including here at home. the richest people in the US donate hundreds of millions every year but Obama's tax plan will have an extreme negative affect on donations and thus will affect the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #18 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Hmm well one that we saved is losing almost 30 million dollars an hour so maybe we wait a minute before we start popping the bottles? I dont know enough about the industry, but i would have liked some middle ground between throwing tons of money at the same people who fucked up, and nationalizing the banks. There has to be something in the middle, i just dont know what it is.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #19 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave QuoteI want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of Americans know this. Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist country with this bill. there is a difference and that is why the rep side had a problem with the bill and why Americans are having a problem with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #20 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #21 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? that is still being worked out, but i like the direction alot of the rep party are leaning to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #22 March 4, 2009 QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. The problem is that capitalism and your constitution are at odds with eachother when it comes to that. It costs a lot to become a politician at that level. Capitalism dictates that they should get the most out of being in that position and that is what politicians have always and will always do, all over the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 3 #23 March 4, 2009 QuoteSo the question is: who is/are the REAL leadership of the GOP today? And what does it mean for the Republican Party? I can't decide if the PNAC is still "in charge" or not. Certainly it's not actually Limbaugh, but clearly there is some sort of struggle going on at the very top between the wealthy backers of the Republican Party and the people that want to be the "face" of it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,402 #24 March 4, 2009 >I want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of >Americans know this. The bill will almost certainly reduce the time it takes the economy to recover. The combination of tax cuts and increased spending will put more money into the consumer economy, and we are primarily a consumer economy. >Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist >country with this bill. Nonsense. We're already a socialist country. We have taxpayer paid police, fire departments and ambulance services. The military is 100% socialist. We have public roads, publicly supported air traffic systems, and public health programs. We fund the CDC to help prevent disease outbreaks, fire watch systems to get fires put out more quickly, and nuclear regulatory commissions to help ensure power plants don't blow up. We're also a capitalist country. We have relatively free trade within the US, have people free to choose their own employment, own housing and own medical care, and people free to screw up and fail miserably. We have people who can invest in risky propositions in the stock market, and people who try to set up new companies and make billions. Most fail, a few succeed. We're also a communist country. We all own the national parks communally. In terms of government, we are a constitutional republic, where a Constitution, not a king, determines the course of our government. We are also a representative government, where we vote in representatives and they represent us in government. We are also a democracy, where the people vote on things directly. We are also a country of laws, and we have a judiciary that can decide that a politician's (or even the people's) actions are not lawful. The reason the US is so successful is NOT that we have insisted on pure democracy, or unregulated capitalism. It is that we take the best parts of each system and get them to all work together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanG 1 #25 March 4, 2009 That was far too well thought out and reasonable for this forum. Could you add in a few epithets and gross exaggerations to make us feel more at home? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Andy9o8 0 #8 March 4, 2009 You have now failed to answer both my question and Wendy's question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,127 #9 March 4, 2009 Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? Sweden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #10 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you only hope America does well if it's according to how you think things should go? I realize that you don't think it can succeed on the current path, but what if seems to work, and move the country forward towards a generally high standard of living and low unemployment rate (which are two markers of success on a social level). Wendy W. Quotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? if our system, although not perfect, has endured this long, why would we want to change direction? lets fix the problems not change our entire path. SwedenIf you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #11 March 4, 2009 QuoteYou have now failed to answer both my question and Wendy's question. QuoteNo I do not want this country to go towards socialism, and no socialism will not cause us to have a high standard of living for all and in the short term(5-10 years) will not cause a low unemployment rate.. This is not just what I think, it is what alot of americans think. I personally feel, and so do alot of Americans, Obama is wrong and wants him to fail. Not America, just Obama and his intensions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #12 March 4, 2009 It already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #13 March 4, 2009 Quote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #14 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? Right now, Michale Steele. Duh. Rush is the voice of the conservative base. Now as to who is more powerful.... Probably Rush. But that doesnt make him the head of the GOP.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #15 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Yes. That was a bad call.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #16 March 4, 2009 QuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #17 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? Sweden The only reason for Sweden not being take is nobody but the Swedish wants it, not even Hitler wanted it. It is a beautiful country with great people but not what I would consider a model for any nation to follow. the Banking and tourism is what keeps them going. they don't have much to sustain a large population like the USA, Russia, China. most socialist countries abuse and forget about the lower 20% of their population and most of those people live poor dismal lives with no chance to advance themselves or better their lives. Even with our problems with health care, our homeless get better care than in most third world countries. we are the most generous nation in the world thanks to our system and the promotion of generosity by our government. Americans donate and aid people all over the world of their own free will and our government rewards this with tax breaks. Obama wants to take that away. I personally think if Obama's plan does happen we will end alot of our private donations and the world will suffer, including here at home. the richest people in the US donate hundreds of millions every year but Obama's tax plan will have an extreme negative affect on donations and thus will affect the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Halfpastniner 0 #18 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Hmm well one that we saved is losing almost 30 million dollars an hour so maybe we wait a minute before we start popping the bottles? I dont know enough about the industry, but i would have liked some middle ground between throwing tons of money at the same people who fucked up, and nationalizing the banks. There has to be something in the middle, i just dont know what it is.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #19 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave QuoteI want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of Americans know this. Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist country with this bill. there is a difference and that is why the rep side had a problem with the bill and why Americans are having a problem with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #20 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #21 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? that is still being worked out, but i like the direction alot of the rep party are leaning to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,127 #22 March 4, 2009 QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. The problem is that capitalism and your constitution are at odds with eachother when it comes to that. It costs a lot to become a politician at that level. Capitalism dictates that they should get the most out of being in that position and that is what politicians have always and will always do, all over the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 3 #23 March 4, 2009 QuoteSo the question is: who is/are the REAL leadership of the GOP today? And what does it mean for the Republican Party? I can't decide if the PNAC is still "in charge" or not. Certainly it's not actually Limbaugh, but clearly there is some sort of struggle going on at the very top between the wealthy backers of the Republican Party and the people that want to be the "face" of it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,402 #24 March 4, 2009 >I want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of >Americans know this. The bill will almost certainly reduce the time it takes the economy to recover. The combination of tax cuts and increased spending will put more money into the consumer economy, and we are primarily a consumer economy. >Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist >country with this bill. Nonsense. We're already a socialist country. We have taxpayer paid police, fire departments and ambulance services. The military is 100% socialist. We have public roads, publicly supported air traffic systems, and public health programs. We fund the CDC to help prevent disease outbreaks, fire watch systems to get fires put out more quickly, and nuclear regulatory commissions to help ensure power plants don't blow up. We're also a capitalist country. We have relatively free trade within the US, have people free to choose their own employment, own housing and own medical care, and people free to screw up and fail miserably. We have people who can invest in risky propositions in the stock market, and people who try to set up new companies and make billions. Most fail, a few succeed. We're also a communist country. We all own the national parks communally. In terms of government, we are a constitutional republic, where a Constitution, not a king, determines the course of our government. We are also a representative government, where we vote in representatives and they represent us in government. We are also a democracy, where the people vote on things directly. We are also a country of laws, and we have a judiciary that can decide that a politician's (or even the people's) actions are not lawful. The reason the US is so successful is NOT that we have insisted on pure democracy, or unregulated capitalism. It is that we take the best parts of each system and get them to all work together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanG 1 #25 March 4, 2009 That was far too well thought out and reasonable for this forum. Could you add in a few epithets and gross exaggerations to make us feel more at home? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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marks2065 0 #11 March 4, 2009 QuoteYou have now failed to answer both my question and Wendy's question. QuoteNo I do not want this country to go towards socialism, and no socialism will not cause us to have a high standard of living for all and in the short term(5-10 years) will not cause a low unemployment rate.. This is not just what I think, it is what alot of americans think. I personally feel, and so do alot of Americans, Obama is wrong and wants him to fail. Not America, just Obama and his intensions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,127 #12 March 4, 2009 It already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #13 March 4, 2009 Quote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #14 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? Right now, Michale Steele. Duh. Rush is the voice of the conservative base. Now as to who is more powerful.... Probably Rush. But that doesnt make him the head of the GOP.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #15 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? Yes. That was a bad call.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,127 #16 March 4, 2009 QuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #17 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuotename one socialist country that has endured longer than the US, that the lower 20% of the population has more than ours, and has not been invaded buy another country and split up or lost land? Sweden The only reason for Sweden not being take is nobody but the Swedish wants it, not even Hitler wanted it. It is a beautiful country with great people but not what I would consider a model for any nation to follow. the Banking and tourism is what keeps them going. they don't have much to sustain a large population like the USA, Russia, China. most socialist countries abuse and forget about the lower 20% of their population and most of those people live poor dismal lives with no chance to advance themselves or better their lives. Even with our problems with health care, our homeless get better care than in most third world countries. we are the most generous nation in the world thanks to our system and the promotion of generosity by our government. Americans donate and aid people all over the world of their own free will and our government rewards this with tax breaks. Obama wants to take that away. I personally think if Obama's plan does happen we will end alot of our private donations and the world will suffer, including here at home. the richest people in the US donate hundreds of millions every year but Obama's tax plan will have an extreme negative affect on donations and thus will affect the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #18 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteYes. That was a bad call. How do you think it would have played out if no financial institutions would have been saved? Hmm well one that we saved is losing almost 30 million dollars an hour so maybe we wait a minute before we start popping the bottles? I dont know enough about the industry, but i would have liked some middle ground between throwing tons of money at the same people who fucked up, and nationalizing the banks. There has to be something in the middle, i just dont know what it is.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #19 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuote no he isn't the head of the GOP, but i do agree with alot (now i said alot not all) of his ideas. I feel like he does, i hope Obama's socialist agenda fails. So you want all this spending to be for naught? Personally, I hope that since we're spending the money anyhow, we at least get what we're hoping for out of it. If you want this to fail, it means you want that money to be a complete waste. Maybe try to put America ahead of political points next time. Blues, Dave QuoteI want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of Americans know this. Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist country with this bill. there is a difference and that is why the rep side had a problem with the bill and why Americans are having a problem with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #20 March 4, 2009 QuoteIt already did under Bush by nationalizing a fair bit of the banks. Do you blame him for starting the path towards socialism? QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #21 March 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteno he [Limbaugh] isn't the head of the GOP, Then who is? that is still being worked out, but i like the direction alot of the rep party are leaning to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,127 #22 March 4, 2009 QuoteI blame both parties for what has happened over the last couple years. Both parties are so busy pushing their agenda they forgot about the people. they both need to reread the constitution and start working fo us, not themselves. Government spending needs to be cut by a large amount and that would do more than any spending bill could. The problem is that capitalism and your constitution are at odds with eachother when it comes to that. It costs a lot to become a politician at that level. Capitalism dictates that they should get the most out of being in that position and that is what politicians have always and will always do, all over the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #23 March 4, 2009 QuoteSo the question is: who is/are the REAL leadership of the GOP today? And what does it mean for the Republican Party? I can't decide if the PNAC is still "in charge" or not. Certainly it's not actually Limbaugh, but clearly there is some sort of struggle going on at the very top between the wealthy backers of the Republican Party and the people that want to be the "face" of it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,402 #24 March 4, 2009 >I want the US to grow and prosper, but this bill will not help us and alot of >Americans know this. The bill will almost certainly reduce the time it takes the economy to recover. The combination of tax cuts and increased spending will put more money into the consumer economy, and we are primarily a consumer economy. >Obama is not trying to build America with this bill, he is building a socialist >country with this bill. Nonsense. We're already a socialist country. We have taxpayer paid police, fire departments and ambulance services. The military is 100% socialist. We have public roads, publicly supported air traffic systems, and public health programs. We fund the CDC to help prevent disease outbreaks, fire watch systems to get fires put out more quickly, and nuclear regulatory commissions to help ensure power plants don't blow up. We're also a capitalist country. We have relatively free trade within the US, have people free to choose their own employment, own housing and own medical care, and people free to screw up and fail miserably. We have people who can invest in risky propositions in the stock market, and people who try to set up new companies and make billions. Most fail, a few succeed. We're also a communist country. We all own the national parks communally. In terms of government, we are a constitutional republic, where a Constitution, not a king, determines the course of our government. We are also a representative government, where we vote in representatives and they represent us in government. We are also a democracy, where the people vote on things directly. We are also a country of laws, and we have a judiciary that can decide that a politician's (or even the people's) actions are not lawful. The reason the US is so successful is NOT that we have insisted on pure democracy, or unregulated capitalism. It is that we take the best parts of each system and get them to all work together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #25 March 4, 2009 That was far too well thought out and reasonable for this forum. Could you add in a few epithets and gross exaggerations to make us feel more at home? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
