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Faith has no logic? that is very interesting to me my freind especially coming from a skydiver!!! So when you jump out your not hoping that everything will work out for you? Thats all faith is my friend, you
Quotesee the joy of your jump, jump, then you hope with possible death right at your door, and your hope is filled with that joy when you land. Is it not logical to believe that you will land when you jump out? I hope so, otherwise I would be sort of concerned! It is funny the things we can accomplish when we believe, but somehow the method of science isnt what brought me to the exit door is it? So it seems to me that belief and faith have all the power in the universe. It is after all mans mind that will destroy it. Something that goes against logic actually, why would we destroy our own habitat? Let me guess, thats Gods fault right? I would suggest before any of you jump again to at least read the Gospel, you have the choice to ignore it. But, I wouldnt want to lead you to the truth or anything!
First, it is our minds that give us the power right? I mean thats what science is all about. Those with faith choose to give that power back in exchange for true power, Logic may describe this as humbleness. Those who are humble and who submit to themselves not being the grandest thing on the earth are in a position to recieve the wisdom of the beginning, which if we understand correctly, is actually the wisdom of the end as well, as wisdom has revealled itself more and more. But if we know already that the wisdom of the beginning is the wisdom of the end, then why not just find the wisdom of the beginning? Its like that song simple man, and it is the very wisdom that Jesus came with. The wisdom that gives all live and all power to the beginning and the end. Those who choose faith feel it is logical to seek the power of the beginning which coincedentally is love. Had we stayed with that, the world would be grander, as it is, we had something working against this simple but powerful force all along. Call it the ego, call it evil. All man does is seek to prove everything and that is where our power is lost. Why do we spend all of our time and energy seeking to prove something anyway? Isnt life way way too short for that?
Another thing, this girl who loves to dis believe in God talks about finding Joy. Just a question for thinkers, but doesnt joy and hope combine? If she doesnt believe in God, how does she have hope for life after this life? Another thing, why do people think that desiring a righteous life and living it is so boring or un-rewarding? I lived full on in sin and it got me nothing but heartache in the end. A life that is driven by love is adaptable to anything and much more able to deal with disasters ect... This girl also said that she loves her family, but hasnt life shown us that in an instant we can lose that? Then where are we? Shouldnt we try to connect with loves source, be it in your brain (as it is with some of you) or in your heart, where it is for most of us? Jesus' message is I love you and I want you, and wouldnt it be wise to at least listen to the wisdom of those who adopt the wisdom of the ancients? We need to understand that nothing we do is new, where the excitement in life is for me at least is in knowing there truly is a God (Jesus says God is spirit) and knowing that the God of all things made feels it important enough to make sure I know that I am loved by him.
When you see a beautiful sunset, sunrise, or majestic scenery, you see beauty right? (The fluids are flowing in your brain for all you science people),. but nonetheless, you feel beauty, a powerful almost indescribable connection. That is God showing you how beautiful you are to him, that connection is very powerful and if you let it, can show you the greater things in this life.QuoteStep away from the communion wine.
Royd 0
The problem with your vocabulary lessons is that I just can't seem to fit those words into everyday conversation.QuoteProcesses that underly all physiological 'life' on Earth -- from viruses to trees to mammals -- occur because carbon is small and multi-valent.
Are you trying to build a teleological argument?
QuoteI like the way you think, brother.
Thank you brother, but I must continue to say that this is the wisdom of Jesus, not me, so that others may have a chance to believe that thoughts are inspired and therefore, though we recieve them, they are not from us. They were born from the very beginning to lead us back to the very beginning. Since Love is the glory of wisdom, then it takes love to find wisdom.
No one finds wisdom without love. Love is the greatest! I promise everyone, if they seek the love in Jesus, they will find the love that is from the very beginning bursting with power and light, and a heart that is full of love is a heart that is full of the life! Try not to let fear keep you from the light. Thank you for your comment and your heart.
Quote'There's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole'
and now we jnow why..... They're not welcome, at least not in US foxholes!
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Apr26/0,4670,ArmyAtheistSpeaks,00.html
Thats too bad. I read most of the article and I am sure there are things like this happening all over. After 911 I think we saw Amercia and much of the world for that matter sort of re examine what they believe. Its a shame that they treated this guy differently, I dont recall Jesus treating those who hated him any differently, he just spoke the wisdom he had and that was enough for him to take the cross. He didnt condemn or judge anyone, in fact all he did was question their faith, not necessarily how they lived as much as how they treated one another, especially those outside of their faith. What happened to that man is the same thing that happened to Jesus, they rejected him and therefore, I think they missed the spirit of grace altogether. Grace is given BECAUSE of our faults and our sins, the problem with people who dont live by truth is that they think they themselves do not have sin, or dont sin ect... They failed to show the atheist grace, the very thing that was shown to them. A true Christian will speak the truth about himself, about his faults, about his sin, about his shortcomings not only to God but to others as well. Hypocrisy is a problem amongst people in general, but truth will expose the hypocrite eventually, and besides, God knows mans hearts, you cannot be truthful enough to him. The only way that grace has power in our hearts is by acknowledging the truth, that we have ALL sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
Now what I have said might raise a flag in many Christians' lives, but I submit that those who do not believe that may not have the truth revealed to them as well. Generally it is the atheist that take well to these words and of course truth speaking Christians who do not hide their weaknesses. It is the self righteous and hypocritical ones that are the most dangerous, as they have forgotten how to see their very own faults and in doing so have fallen further away from the power of grace.
A humble and pure heart which acknowledges truth within will find the power in grace if they believe that Jesus came to save us from the lie. And truth has shown that this revelation and cleansing of the heart reveals a spirit of life through love that not only feels incredibly powerful but that keeps us on the path of goodness (which is righteousness). No one on the path of righteousness should lash out or condemn someone else for not finding the same path, it is not a burden, its a reward. What I feel is deep compassion for those who still cant see. I would never, nor would any true christian, oppress someone into the path of righteousness. One has to desire righteousness because they want it otherwise the path is fruitless.
The path is so much more than a desire to be sinless, which only Jesus was. It is to fill the heart with peace, understanding, hope, joy, comfort, beauty, pleasure, and so many other gifts that come with walking the path. Grace, Truth, and Perseverance is the only way. Without someone seeing from within themselves, it cannot be found through oppression, my goodness, I am sort of shocked at this actually.
The goal of faith my freinds is obvious. No one is trying to hide it and if they are living it, they wont have to hide it or even want to, its a gift, its a gift. The goal of faith is comfort, peace, understanding, hope, joy for this life, for this life, for this life, that is the goal and it is sought after until the very end of ones earthly life. You recieve power through insight, insight that rocks you right down to your very inner being and this insight brings you life to the fullest. Again, it is not a burden, it is a gift for those who desire truth. All those who desire truth will see their own evil and turn away from it, not because they feel like they have to, but because they want to. Oh so much to say...
Let me apologize to everyone for anyone who has come to you in the name of Jesus but has not shown you his spirit. We humbly speak the truth, especially if it is humiliating, becasue we know that the truth will free us through the grace given in Jesus. True Christians merely recognize their own evil, and darkness and desire to become more good. God gave us the forgiveness we needed to start our path of goodness, and this spirit of forgiveness is grace, mercy, and truth, to keep us on the right path by reminding us moment to moment it seems that good just feels better, lighter, easier. The path of course may not be easier at times, but the rewards found along the way sustain us. When we talk to non-believers we are only trying to share what is sacred, pure, and powerful in our own hearts. Its like when you talk to people about skydiving, some get it, some dont, but you still talk passionately about it when you feel the desire to share it with someone. The same is true about other peoples children, really no one cares right (usually anyway) but we speak about our children with deep conviction..
The spirit of the hypocrite operates in a lie he cannot see, or chooses not to see, in the attempt to empower his own ego. These are the people Jesus spoke against, not gentile atheists who havent heard his message. If Jesus were talking to you in these forums and you knew he was Jesus, I believe most of you would fall in love with him immediately. But as it is, you all speak against something you dont understand, you speak agains the greatest love, but, it is not truth keeping you from understanding, or maybe it is, but mostly it is seeing others walking and talking in the name of Jesus, who arent actually following his footsteps. You will know if someone is following in his footsteps or not by one very important quality of the spirit, Love. Again, sorry I wrote so much, but this is sort of important to me, at least that you understand what grace is and what Jesus stands for.
jakee 1,265
QuoteSorry, I didnt get to see the video, but I also have a thought for you all. God is invisible, this is true, but what there are other things which are invisible as well but seem to completey run our lives. Desire, Inspiration, Hope, Love, just to name a few. Do I need evidence that those things are real or is it possible that I can just "feel it"?
So what?
Yes you feel emotions, but those emotions are generated by you. There is no independant power out there called love, or desire, or hope, just as there is no actual independant power called God.
beowulf 1
Hey rynodigsmusic give my regards to Lalaland.
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