jakee 1,259 #226 January 16, 2008 QuoteAs long as YOU agree with (insert jakee's position here) why else would even care??? I don't know what that means. What do you think is wrong with my post? Do you want to live in a world with no law?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #227 January 16, 2008 QuoteRemember not to limit your thinking to what individuals would do with no law - just think what corporations would try and get away with if there was no oversight! Would you really want to live in that world? And so how does that tie in with your position that giving implied consent to the government is a good thing?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #228 January 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteAs long as YOU agree with (insert jakee's position here) why else would even care??? I don't know what that means. What do you think is wrong with my post? Do you want to live in a world with no law? No, I do not want to live in a world with YOUR type laws"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,433 #229 January 16, 2008 >They get undone when they aren't working. Or are no longer needed. >No doctor is going to subject a person to a hazardous surgery to remove a >functional donated organ so it can be returned to a dead guy's family. Perhaps not. But it can be done (for other reasons) and it has been done. "I don't like the idea" doesn't equate to "it can't be done." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #230 January 16, 2008 QuoteNo, I do not want to live in a world with YOUR type laws Right - so you actually completely agree with the post of mine that you replied to, you just thought you'd throw in a gratuitous dig for no good reason. Real nice.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #231 January 16, 2008 Quote >No doctor is going to subject a person to a hazardous surgery to remove a >functional donated organ so it can be returned to a dead guy's family. Perhaps not. But it can be done (for other reasons) and it has been done. "I don't like the idea" doesn't equate to "it can't be done." You will never admit when your analogies fail, will you? "Perhaps not" is weak. Not only will no doctor do it, there are virtually no families who would try to demand it be done. Instead they would go after the hospital for the desecration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #232 January 16, 2008 Quote The state should assume that someone retains their rights unless they explicity give them up. The question is whether a dead body has any rights, or could be even considered as "someone"? Technically it could be even considered "abandoned property", in which case - in some countries I know about - the government gets kind of ownership about it. Also AFAIK if a person had some property during their life, did not have a will regarding this property, and there were no legal successors or they refused it, it becomes property of State. If the body was the person's property, it seems to fit into the picture pretty well.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #233 January 17, 2008 QuoteThe question is whether a dead body has any rights, or could be even considered as "someone"? If the state is going to recognize religious rights then they pretty much have to allow that the "body" still has rights. Just my opinion.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #234 January 17, 2008 Quote If the state is going to recognize religious rights then they pretty much have to allow that the "body" still has rights. Just my opinion. My understanding is that there is no thing like "religious rights" in civil states besides the right of a person to believe in whatever they want as long as it does not harm others. But the State itself does not follow those rights nor it requires others to do so. Like the person has the right to believe he is a saint, and does not have to work.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #235 January 17, 2008 Technically it could be even considered "abandoned property", in which case - in some countries I know about - the government gets kind of ownership about it. It's funny. I've never seen "the government" offering to pay burial expenses. I think it's nice for people to donate organs, but I don't think organs should be donated by default.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #236 January 17, 2008 QuoteQuote The state should assume that someone retains their rights unless they explicity give them up. The question is whether a dead body has any rights, or could be even considered as "someone"? Technically it could be even considered "abandoned property", in which case - in some countries I know about - the government gets kind of ownership about it. Also AFAIK if a person had some property during their life, did not have a will regarding this property, and there were no legal successors or they refused it, it becomes property of State. If the body was the person's property, it seems to fit into the picture pretty well. In the UK you belong to the next of kin when you are dead.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #237 January 17, 2008 Quote It's funny. I've never seen "the government" offering to pay burial expenses. They seems to do - at least for the dead bodies who are not picked up from morques.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #238 January 17, 2008 Quote In the UK you belong to the next of kin when you are dead. What if there is no next of kin?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #239 January 18, 2008 Guess your fucked then.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #240 January 18, 2008 QuoteGuess your fucked then. And the organs could be removed then?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #241 January 18, 2008 QuoteAnd the organs could be removed then? Only if the currents laws are changed.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #242 January 20, 2008 John, you and all the other wide-eyed, moon-bat conspiracy theorists can relax. (you mods can relax too, not a PA) Unauthorized plundering of body parts would never happen in our idealistic brave new world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7192462.stm“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
