Why do Atheist/Unbelievers always clash heads with Christians?

[jakee 1,257]

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As for having no new arguments - well since the old ones ain't broke...

Good 'ol jakee always comin' through with the quick and witty answers!

I try my best

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

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But, though I'm more sympathetic with non-belief than with faith based belief, I'm feel more compassion towards the believers than the non-believers (at least those I know and on this site - with a few blatant exceptions). Atheists don't debate any more, they attack and they ridicule.

What's to debate?

The belief in the existence or non existence of a god is a matter of faith. No facts to work with.

And there is no doubt that Christians use their majority to impose as many of their beliefs as possible, starting with the war against gays marrying. No atheists oppose porn or sex or drugs for religious reasons either.

It's brain dead obvious why non believers clash with Christians - they're trying to tell us what to do. In violation of the Constitution.

[pajarito 0]

I posted this in the "Honest Questions for God" thread. I wanted to also post it in the other "current" religious threads here. I think it's that important.

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Wow Folks!!!

I wish everyone here would watch this entire video of a sermon by Paul Washer (Missionary) at a youth conference with 5000 kids. There is a 4 min sample but it would be well worth your time to watch the 58 min one. I'm sure most here won't but I'd challenge you to. Especially those claiming to be Christians. I warn you in advance. This is heavy lifting. Whew!!!

- Are you a genuine Christian?
- Are you born again?
- How do you know you're not going to hell?
- Did you just pray and confess Jesus as Lord and think you were saved? Satan confesses Jesus as Lord. - Does your life give representation of change?
- Are you bearing good fruit because of Christ who is in you?
- How do you know if someone is a false prophet?
- Direct application to all the televangelists and leaders in Christian organizations who have been caught in scandals showing themselves to be hypocrites living in patterns of sin.

Is this fundamentalism or is it what EVERY Christian should profess and do if they are sincere in their faith and are not themselves hypocrites???

This guy is a Soldier for Christ! He is a spiritual athlete! Wow!

If you're interested, go to the Way of the Master Radio site and scroll down a little less than half way down the page. The videos are on the left.

Jay

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Is this fundamentalism or is it what EVERY Christian should profess and do if they are sincere in their faith and are not themselves hypocrites???

According to whom?

First thing I saw on this site were things for sale. What a turn off...

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Is this fundamentalism or is it what EVERY Christian should profess and do if they are sincere in their faith and are not themselves hypocrites???

According to whom?

First thing I saw on this site were things for sale. What a turn off...

Refer to the "Do you believe in sin" thread for my response.

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Refer to the "Do you believe in sin" thread for my response.

Did not need a response, nor do I need some yahoo telling me if I am a good person or not and I suspect that most others do not either.

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Gee whiz, Mykel, I think you're a good person. I've seen your video work, and it's the work of a gifted, talented person. Bad people aren't often talented and gifted.
Bad people spend their time judging us but claiming they aren't judging, they're just pointing out our weaknesses with hopes that we'll do better.

Wow, the section on comparing your love for God to love for your family being hatred for your family if you love God first...So according to the test, we're supposed to love God but hate our family if they're not loving God. That's the first tenet of Hitler's dogma. (Kirke/Church)
Hmm...I've also used the name of God in vain.
I've been extremely angry, and apparently being extremely angry is equal to actual murder, according to the test. So in my heart, I've killed my exwife at least half a dozen times. If being really angry is the same as actually performing the murder, damn...I should just do it.
I've looked at women with lust. That picture of Nightengale just does something to me.
I shoplifted a coupla times when I was a kid, and God doesn't forget (as the test continually reminds you).
I've even told one lie in my entire life, and according to the test, I'm a liar, same as if I lied constantly and consistently.
I have coveted. I especially would like to own my dear friend's OCC motorcycle (no, it's not one from the show).
According to the test, I've really pissed God off, and I'm probably going to hell, because just as "I wouldn't turn my blind eye towards a guilty rapist," neither shall God turn a blind eye to my actions.
Goddamn it, I'm f$#!ed.
According to the test, I'm going to hell.

See ya there!

PS, you *really* should listen to the seminar Pajarito posted. If nothing else, you'll bust a gut over the self-importance the speaker lends to himself. Talk about condescending! Dayum!!

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I think it's a transitional phase on the path of a more realistic assessment of a historically elevated status.

I view born agains as much like the congenial alcoholic who is unable to face the world without his crutch ...frequently amusing, sometimes tragic but mostly harmless to others. I'm all for toleration of those who must give up their lives to a religion ...just can't see any way to respect their common failing.

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[rehmwa 2]

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What's to debate?

The belief in the existence or non existence of a god is a matter of faith. No facts to work with.

And there is no doubt that Christians use their majority to impose as many of their beliefs as possible, starting with the war against gays marrying. No atheists oppose porn or sex or drugs for religious reasons either.

It's brain dead obvious why non believers clash with Christians - they're trying to tell us what to do. In violation of the Constitution.

1 - I agree it's a matter of faith on both sides. many atheists will object to your statement. I guess they prefer the term "belief" or something other than "faith" - those kinds of words make them nervous I guess.

2 - I simply don't see the 'clash' as one sided as you do. Nothing works that way and a "he started it" discussion is even more pointless.

And you can even say it's "really, really, really brain dead obvious" and it won't add to your point.

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[steveorino 7]

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Wow, the section on comparing your love for God to love for your family being hatred for your family if you love God first...So according to the test, we're supposed to love God but hate our family if they're not loving God.

That is one of the MOST misinterpreted passage sof JC's teaching. Konia Greek has typical vocab of over 6000 words. Most English speaking people use about 1500 (I think you use more, but I don't to obfuscate my point )

You can imagine ANY English translation will lack clarity when compared to original language. I believe it was you that pointed out how weird the English language is. A rule of thumb when interpreting a difficult passage of scripture. Interpret it in the light of a clear passage. They are 100s of clear passages that JC speaks of love, and it is a very INCLUSIVE type of love. One that does not exclude those different than us.

The better use of that passage would be to say the heiracrchy of love should be #1 God # 2 Family #3 others. Or at least our love for God should be the greatest. So great any other love pales in comparison. Seeing how much I love my family that shows me my love for God should very great.

steveOrino

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I agree it's a matter of faith on both sides. many atheists will object to your statement.

I agree that atheism is a matter of faith, but then I think I've decided to stop calling myself an atheist. I've always used the word because - according to the dictionary definition - it is the closest word to describe my religious beliefs (disbelief in the existence of God). But too many people read so much more into the word, so I've decided to start calling myself a "none of the above." ("Agnostic" doesn't really describe me either.)

[rehmwa 2]

Two words, Keely

"Militant Bobism"

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[jakee 1,257]

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1 - I agree it's a matter of faith on both sides. many atheists will object to your statement. I guess they prefer the term "belief" or something other than "faith" - those kinds of words make them nervous I guess.

Yeah, strictly speaking you could call it faith, but its no different from from the faith you have that any number of made up stories don't exist.

I could tell you that there is a small green pixie hanging from from the tree outside my window. You wouldn't believe me because you would think I was either a) lying or b) seeing things. However since you can never know for sure you now have a new faith. You are an apixiehangingfromatreeoutsideJack'swindowist.

Most people would consider it a fairly cheap definition of faith

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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"Militant BOBism"

Does that involve the combative use of a vibrator?

[NCclimber 0]

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1 - I agree it's a matter of faith on both sides. many atheists will object to your statement. I guess they prefer the term "belief" or something other than "faith" - those kinds of words make them nervous I guess.

Yeah, strictly speaking you could call it faith, but its no different from from the faith you have that any number of made up stories don't exist.

I could tell you that there is a small green pixie hanging from from the tree outside my window. You wouldn't believe me because you would think I was either a) lying or b) seeing things. However since you can never know for sure you now have a new faith. You are an apixiehangingfromatreeoutsideJack'swindowist.

Most people would consider it a fairly cheap definition of faith

Do you ever allow for the possibility that maybe your read on things just might be flawed? That maybe the reason people view things differently from you is because they see/grasp/conceptualize some things that you just don't?

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atheism is a matter of faith

No.
It’s not.
It drives me nuts whenever I hear someone refer to atheism as a “faith”, or even as a "belief".
Theism is a belief in something based upon faith. Atheism is merely an absence of that. It is not a form of belief; it is an absence of a certain kind of belief.
Nothing more.

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atheism is a matter of faith

No.
It’s not.
It drives me nuts whenever I hear someone refer to atheism as a “faith”, or even as a "belief".
Theism is a belief in something based upon faith. Atheism is merely an absence of that. It is not a form of belief; it is an absence of a certain kind of belief.
Nothing more.

Atheism is defined as the disbelief in the existence of God, which is the same thing as belief in the non-existence of God. And that belief is not based on material evidence; therefore, it is faith.

[Andy9o8 0]

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atheism is a matter of faith

No.
It’s not.
It drives me nuts whenever I hear someone refer to atheism as a “faith”, or even as a "belief".
Theism is a belief in something based upon faith. Atheism is merely an absence of that. It is not a form of belief; it is an absence of a certain kind of belief.
Nothing more.

Atheism is defined as the disbelief in the existence of God, which is the same thing as belief in the non-existence of God. And that belief is not based on material evidence; therefore, it is faith.

Utter nonsense. A completely circular argument.

Atheism is not a disbelief; it is a lack of belief. There is a distinct difference between the two.

Your definition is like saying that my not believing that dragons exist in Middle Earth is a form of faith because, after all, I have no “evidence” that neither dragons nor Middle Earth exist; therefore, my “disbelief” in dragons or Middle Earth is an act of faith. Completely circular and invalid logic.

For some reason, people, even agnostics, take for granted that at least the possibility of God exists, and therefore it can only be rebutted with certainty with hard “evidence”; and if there is no hard evidence in rebuttal, then non-belief is an act of faith. And yet these same people have no difficulty in not believing in even the possibility of the existence of Middle Earth, or monsters (I mean real monsters) under my bed, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster (I mean a real monster, made of spaghetti, which flies, and is omniscient and omnipotent). They don’t view that as an act of “faith”; they simply do not have a belief that those things exist, and that’s that.

Put another way, the existence of a deity or deities is somehow accorded a superior possibility than any other human-contemplated, non-physical, non-corporeal concept. I think that’s intellectually dishonest, and I call bullshit on it. And that’s why atheism is neither a “faith” nor a “belief”.

[jakee 1,257]

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Do you ever allow for the possibility that maybe your read on things just might be flawed? That maybe the reason people view things differently from you is because they see/grasp/conceptualize some things that you just don't?

No.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rehmwa 2]

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"Militant BOBism"

Does that involve the combative use of a vibrator?

Only if you've had the requisite background check, training, and safety course.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Utter nonsense. A completely circular argument.

I'm with Shotgun on this. Atheism is a 'faith', with all the bells and whistles. it's certainly not a "religion", nor is it an "organized church". But, that's only a matter of time since there's power to be found and money to be made.

Faiths of this strength and conviction always develop certain rituals of practice (religion) which is then fodder for the corrupt to exploit (organized church). (to use a neat tactic by many here lately) Any MORON, can see that atheism is OBVIOUSLY progressing into the development of the religion phase. (I love that trick)

You've made this point before and it's clearly made, yet, still some disagree with you (It's kind of the ANdy9o8 button). It happens, no biggie.

If you open your mind and embrace bobism, then you'll see the light . Or, at least A light .

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[kallend 1,635]

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Wow, the section on comparing your love for God to love for your family being hatred for your family if you love God first...So according to the test, we're supposed to love God but hate our family if they're not loving God.

That is one of the MOST misinterpreted passage sof JC's teaching. Konia Greek has typical vocab of over 6000 words. Most English speaking people use about 1500 (I think you use more, but I don't to obfuscate my point )

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Most Americans only use 800-1,000 words in everyday conversation. A typical American college student knows 20,000-30,000 words by the time he or she graduates.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Most Americans only use 800-1,000 words in everyday conversation. A typical American college student knows 20,000-30,000 words by the time he or she graduates.

and promptly forgets, or neglects to use, nearly all but about 800-1000 words.

at least in everyday, casual conversation

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Atheism is not a disbelief; it is a lack of belief.

Ah, you might want to write to the publishers of the American Heritage and Merriam-Webster's dictionaries and inform them that their definitions of atheism are wrong.

But if you say that your atheism is not based on faith, that's fine with me. I don't really care whether my none-of-the-abovism is based on faith, and I'm frustrated with the limitations of all these silly words anyway.