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Erroll 49
QuoteBut that's also beside the point as well. The victims are young women, whether or not they work in the sex trade.
I think the fact that these women were prostitutes is very relevant and it should not be hidden. All indications are that the killer specifically targeted prostitutes. In fact, according to Skynews, The Guardian is claiming that police are giving prostitutes money to keep them off the streets until the killer is apprehended.
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QuoteGuardian is claiming that police are giving prostitutes money
Hardly news
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Erroll 49
QuoteQuoteGuardian is claiming that police are giving prostitutes money
Hardly news
This is Ipswich, not Essex!
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It is not illegal to charge for sex in the UK. It is illegal to Solicit for sex. Borthels are illegal in the UK, a brothel is defined as a place where two or more women use for immoral purposes. So if a woman has a place on her own and charges men for unsolisited sex then that is legal.
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Being from Ipswich myself, I concur! 
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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dorbie 0
QuoteYour argument makes about as much sense as saying nobody in their right mind would pay some stranger for sex especially when they've been with with thousands of partners, but apparently there's a roaring trade.
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Your analogy makes no sense, please clarify.
P.S. sorry for my earlier response, the point of my analogy was that it makes no sense, it was intended to highlight the lack of logical foundation of the post I was responding to. That's why I started my post "Your argument makes about as much sense as saying...". i.e. no sense.
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Nobody in their right mind does street walking for money and having sex with a stranger when they have a choice.
Bollocks, many have a choice, they just don't like the alternatives.
Your argument makes about as much sense as saying nobody in their right mind would pay some stranger for sex especially when they've been with with thousands of partners, but apparently there's a roaring trade.
If only there were "easy" to do alternatives out there for these women. But then again maybe in cloud cukkoo land it does exist? Must do because you said so.
Not that I would ever expect you to understand the subject of cause and effect.
As for customers in their right mind paying for sex with potentially disease infested prostitutes. This has little relevance to to the subject of these womens desperation but for the record....
Who remembers Hugh Grant (Hollywood superstar, millionare, boyfriend of Liz Hurley) paying a street walker to blow him on some side street when he could have called any expensive agency for any girl he wanted who could have done to him any deviant act he wanted. Right mind. I don't think so.
He had a choice sure, but then again it was only his dick driving him to do it, not a couple hundred a day drug habit.
Scoop 0
No drugs, no need to be on streets. Simple
QuoteNo drugs, no need to be on streets. Simple
Yeah.
dorbie 0
Your point about Mr Grant is a distraction, but you seem to be saying rather incredulously that all customers are out of their mind, this is irrelevant, the point is there are customers and those customers have a choice and your example of Mr Grant makes my point for me it doesn't refute it.
It's just not credible that all UK streetwalkers are drug addicts, women do this for a spectrum of reasons, but pretending they're all victims is rank B.S.
They are whores, most of them made that decision or were driven there by their own choices especially in the U.K. and with the appropriate stigma calling a slapper-prostitute-whore what they are will hopefully make that decision more difficult for other young women. It's up to them to claim their dignity back, I'm not obliged to conform to your screwed up world view just to make whores feel better about their chosen profession. These terms become pejorative because of the activity, not the other way around.
It's just not credible that all UK streetwalkers are drug addicts, women do this for a spectrum of reasons, but pretending they're all victims is rank B.S.
They are whores, most of them made that decision or were driven there by their own choices especially in the U.K. and with the appropriate stigma calling a slapper-prostitute-whore what they are will hopefully make that decision more difficult for other young women. It's up to them to claim their dignity back, I'm not obliged to conform to your screwed up world view just to make whores feel better about their chosen profession. These terms become pejorative because of the activity, not the other way around.
mr2mk1g 10
Well news reports recon "surveys show" 95% of street prostitutes in the UK are drug addicts. I can't possibly comment on the voracity of that figure and who knows how they came to it but it is apparently the "official" figure.
If girls here want to choose to become a prostitute and not expose themselves to the world of street walking it's really not that hard. Up from street walkers are brothel workers and then "above" them you have escorts who frankly, charge more by the hour than I do!
Girls in this last category certainly are there by choice and I suspect much of the time not simply funding a drug habit.
Street walkers though... I think the stat given above is probably not that far off. As for whether or not becoming a drug addict essentially preordains this choice for these girls... I make no comment.
If girls here want to choose to become a prostitute and not expose themselves to the world of street walking it's really not that hard. Up from street walkers are brothel workers and then "above" them you have escorts who frankly, charge more by the hour than I do!
Girls in this last category certainly are there by choice and I suspect much of the time not simply funding a drug habit.
Street walkers though... I think the stat given above is probably not that far off. As for whether or not becoming a drug addict essentially preordains this choice for these girls... I make no comment.
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QuoteWell news reports recon "surveys show" 95% of street prostitutes in the UK are drug addicts.
The other pertinent statistic is that not all drug addicts are prostitutes, and of course nobody is forcing young women to do drugs, that starts with a choice in a society with no shortage of warnings on the topic.
The other pertinent statistic is that not all drug addicts are prostitutes, and of course nobody is forcing young women to do drugs, that starts with a choice in a society with no shortage of warnings on the topic.
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I can only imagine you have been lucky enough to be brought up in a motivated, informed home. Im not knocking that, I was to. The reason I have empathy for these girls is that my Dad has worked in Child Care most of his adult life. As a result I have been privy to the desperate and tragic circumstances that lead these girls to work on the street.
Some of the reasons include and are not limited to; little or zero parenting, exposure to and sexual /physical abuse from shockingly young ages, exposure to drugs from shockingly young ages, constant displacement (care homes, foster placements, shelters, incarceration), total lack of education because of the later.
This combination of events in a young persons life has terrible repercusions. They dont trust, they are simply unable to help themselves, they have no life skills; the kind of life skills you and I take for granted every day.
By the time they start work on the streets pretty much that cycle is impossible to break. How could they get a job for example? They may have no fixed abode, they have no references, no qualifications, they have poor health a history of sheltered housing and likely criminal records.
The same goes for getting housing. No references, DHS income (if that), no money.
These are truely desperate people; if you have no empathy at least be thankful that your life was so very different. Fucked daily by freaks then strangled. Awful.
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I wish people would stop using poor upbringings and stress during childhood as excuses for peoples behaviour, it fucks me off. Plenty of people have unpleaseant upbringings and use it as a negative reinforcement of how they dont want to live their lives.
Just because the examples and expreiences you have received are negative doesn't mean you need to go the same route
Just because the examples and expreiences you have received are negative doesn't mean you need to go the same route
Im not talking about a poor upbringing or stress. Did you read the list? I mean read it not scan through going boy oh boy another whinger
rehmwa 2
I don't understand why having any type of moral position on a subject automatically qualifies one as lacking in understanding or empathy. Can't one understand and still disapprove?
"Judge, I killed that man because I was mad he took my french fries"
"Well, I can certainly emphasize with that, I'd be mad too, you are free to go"
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
"Judge, I killed that man because I was mad he took my french fries"
"Well, I can certainly emphasize with that, I'd be mad too, you are free to go"
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Yeap, I agree and the other side of the same coin... pampered, priviledged people turn bad too... It's is invariably down to personal choices somewhere along the line... People need to take responsability for their own actions and admit to their own failings
Of course there are exceptions, but not too many would be my guess.
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Of course there are exceptions, but not too many would be my guess.
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Sure, you can still dissaprove IF you understand.
Butters 0
QuoteSure, you can still dissaprove IF you understand.
You do not have to understand to disapprove. I don't understand why some people do some things (and sometimes they don't either) and yet I can and still disapprove of them sometimes.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
rehmwa 2
QuoteSure, you can still dissaprove IF you understand.
you can approve or disapprove whether or not you understand - sometimes right and wrong are clear no matter what the context......
but you can determine more long lasting corrections if you understand. As long as we, first, always make sure the individual is responsible for their personal actions (no matter what excuses they have, no matter how heartbreaking their story).
edit: let me clarify - 'understanding' is useful in making long term preventative corrections so others don't fall into known traps. But, it is in no way an excuse for actions that an individual has ALREADY committed. It's best to judge others by their actions, not by their stories.....
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
but you can determine more long lasting corrections if you understand. As long as we, first, always make sure the individual is responsible for their personal actions (no matter what excuses they have, no matter how heartbreaking their story).
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Ok, so what about the case of a street walking heroin addict? She got herself there until she sorts her act out, tough?
rehmwa 2
QuoteOk, so what about the case of a street walking heroin addict? She got herself there until she sorts her act out, tough?
what are her actions? she's responsible for those actions. For those laws she broke, she must serve justice. First and foremost.
Next, we have a plan to clean her up so she doesn't do them again? That's a good followup.
If she can't keep from repeating criminal behavior? Then she lives in jail so the rest of society isn't wrongly treated by her again.
Sometimes it is tough. Justice and fairness is tough.
Your argument is equity is more more important than equality. That's a dangerous route for society to take....
Do you really want a different set of rules for different classes of people? You do realize that those rules can swing the preference bar in more than just the way you personally prefer?
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
You do not have to understand to disapprove. I don't understand why some people do some things (and sometimes they don't either) and yet I can and still disapprove of them sometimes
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Then for you ignorance is truely bliss!
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