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QuoteQuoteI think it's kinda silly, but I don't see how it harms the animal. If elephants humiliate so easily, then we obviously have a lot of other issues where they're concerned that impact them more harshly than the paint job.
I am not woriied about humiliation as I doubt animals are prone to that. having had paint on my skin when painting I found that it could be uncomfortable. Imagine if you will, being covered over your entire body by paint or some other petroleum type product and walking around feeling it crack and dry, and stick.
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
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If the elephant didn't like it she would have trampled the artist.
I doubt that. Trained animals are abused from infancy to be afraid of humans. Most are not aware that they have the physical capacity to destroy us.
Richards
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Well...er...uhm ...ahem...I have done that from time to time so my apoligies to all those monkeys.
Richards
QuoteWhat about spanking monkeys?
Well...er...uhm ...ahem...I have done that from time to time so my apoligies to all those monkeys.
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
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QuoteThe folks who get body-paint jobs seem to enjoy it.
Some folks like being tied to a bed while a dominatrix whips them. Can we safely asume that animals would not mind that?
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
kallend 1,683
QuoteQuoteThe folks who get body-paint jobs seem to enjoy it.
Some folks like being tied to a bed while a dominatrix whips them. Can we safely asume that animals would not mind that?
Richards
You ASSume that the paint is a petroleum product. Maybe it's water based and hoses off. Elephants like being hosed down.
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QuoteTai's owner denied that the 38-year-old Indian elephant, who lives on a ranch, had been abused.
"Tai has done many, many movies," Kari Johnson said. "She's used to makeup."
They also describe it as a "non-toxic" paint. That would mean it's probably not petroleum based, & can be washed off with water.
And from the above quote, they've done this before, so I'm sure they've worked out how to paint the elephant without hurting her or using harmful chemicals. It can't be that difficult.
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Richards 0
QuoteYou ASSume
oh-oh. Were back to that again. Seems we already discussed this matter. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2435610;#2435610.
Should I call you Dr. and make you feel better or will Professor suffice?
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
I personally think it is an unnecessary exploitation of an animal. I wouldn't call it abuse, I doubt he/she is in any discomfort and I'm unsure if there are emotions similar to humiliation, so I'm not going to comment on that.
However, elephants are capable of feeling something akin to grief as it was observed many times in the wild. When a herd encounters elephant remains each member strokes the bones with their trunks, guard them for hours and often cover them with branches.
Maybe humiliation is not so far fetched, after all.
"I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food."
However, elephants are capable of feeling something akin to grief as it was observed many times in the wild. When a herd encounters elephant remains each member strokes the bones with their trunks, guard them for hours and often cover them with branches.
Maybe humiliation is not so far fetched, after all.
"I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food."
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe folks who get body-paint jobs seem to enjoy it.
Some folks like being tied to a bed while a dominatrix whips them. Can we safely asume that animals would not mind that?
Richards
You ASSume that the paint is a petroleum product. Maybe it's water based and hoses off. Elephants like being hosed down.
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
Lindsey 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it's kinda silly, but I don't see how it harms the animal. If elephants humiliate so easily, then we obviously have a lot of other issues where they're concerned that impact them more harshly than the paint job.
I am not woriied about humiliation as I doubt animals are prone to that. having had paint on my skin when painting I found that it could be uncomfortable. Imagine if you will, being covered over your entire body by paint or some other petroleum type product and walking around feeling it crack and dry, and stick.
Richards
kinda like Halloween? :)
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kallend 1,683
QuoteQuoteYou ASSume
oh-oh. Were back to that again. Seems we already discussed this matter. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2435610;#2435610.
Should I call you Dr. and make you feel better or will Professor suffice?
Richards
Don't make unwarranted assumptions and it will stop and you can feel better.
If you like I'll show you how to make a clicky.
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ryoder 1,412
QuoteApparently this is art.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/17/painted.elephant.ap/index.html
I think I have to go with the animal activists on this one. Should this sort of thing be allowed?
Richards
What is the difference between that and this?
http://www.brianzajac.com/personal/fantasy_fests/body_painting_contest_04/index.html
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Richards 0
QuoteWhat is the difference between that and this?
http://www.brianzajac.com/personal/fantasy_fests/body_painting_contest_04/index.html
Well for starters she is much easier on the eyes. That said she did so of her own free will. The elephant did not have a say in the matter. Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting by any means that this is blatant cruelty. I just feel that it may be inflicting unneccessary discomfort. I am fine with the fact that humans have the right to use animals for survival purposes (food, clothing ...etc) but should we not show some constraint when dealing with animals. It is possible that the elephant enjoys being covered in paint but I doubt it.
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
, but were deer or sheep created to be eaten? Seems to me we do a lot of things to animals that are somewhat worse than painting them. I'd rather be painted than eaten or ridden.
I really felt that it might cause severe discomfort having all of his skin covered in paint. Also how will they remove it...turpentine? If you read most of my posts I am not a bleeding heart by any stretch but it does seem a bit abusive. While we may very well have "dominion over the animals" I think we can at least be sure not put undue stress on them.
Richards
Do you know that for a fact, or are you guessing. The folks who get body-paint jobs seem to enjoy it.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.