Boortz Commentary on Hezbollah

[SkyDekker 1,341]

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One doesn't destroy Hizbollah by killing its leaders, though that's certainly a good thing to do. One destroys Hezbollah by killing its members, destroying its arms caches, attacking its financial assets, preventing its resupply, and attacking its supporters physically and financially. All of the above, Israel can do and do quite well. What it will fuck up, is perhaps the most important part. To destroy Hezbollah, Israel must make reparations with the innocents that it has displaced/harmed in order to do the aforementioned. Israel has never done that and because of that, they've prolonged the conflict (if a solution is even possible).

First you tell me how you think it should be done, then you seriously question if it could be done.

Do you think Israel would set a goal that is impossible to reach?

(plus, holding up your theory because others refuse to bring one forward is really kind of silly. It goes back to my original comment, you are always so convinced of your own supposed superiority and knowledge that talking to you is equivalent of having a monologue with a wall....which makes me silly to, so this will be my last reply to you on this topic)

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Resistance groups typically represent the will of the majority of the people.

Hezbolla does not represent the view of the majority. Most Muslims want piece. Most Muslims dont beleive in blowing htemselves up in the name of Allah

Hezbollah isn't representing all Muslims. They're a Lebanese resistance movement that arose in response to Israeli occupation.

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Resistance groups typically represent the will of the majority of the people.

Hezbolla does not represent the view of the majority. Most Muslims want piece. Most Muslims dont beleive in blowing htemselves up in the name of Allah

Hezbollah isn't representing all Muslims. They're a Lebanese resistance movement that arose in response to Israeli occupation.

I cannot begin to tell you how many protests there are everyday here in Canada with Lebanese speaking out against Hezbollah.

This terrorist organization is in no way a representation of the Lebanese majority. Hezbollah is a virus enbedding itself amongsts the civilains. And even though this virus looks like the civilians, in no way is it a representation of the majority

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I cannot begin to tell you how many protests there are everyday here in Canada with Lebanese speaking out against Hezbollah.

This terrorist organization is in no way a representation of the Lebanese majority. Hezbollah is a virus enbedding itself amongsts the civilains. And even though this virus looks like the civilians, in no way is it a representation of the majority

We'll I don't think that we're going to be able to go there and take a poll (without getting blown up) so there's not sense arguing the point. Typically however, resistance movements arise from the public unrest shared by the majority of the people. One thing's for sure, Arab support for Hezbollah is not suffering these days.

[SkyDekker 1,341]

I fond in talking to Lebanese that many Christian Lebanese in Canada are pro US and anti Hexbollah....that feeling certainly isn't as prominent in muslim Lebanese....

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I fond in talking to Lebanese that many Christian Lebanese in Canada are pro US and anti Hexbollah....that feeling certainly isn't as prominent in muslim Lebanese....

There is a reason many Lebanese move to Canada

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

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Interesting take, Bill. A few things about the Iran situation cause me to differ my lines of thinking with yours wtih regards to the analogy you've presented.

- Mexico and Canada didn't just finish a long war with the US, as Iraq did with Iran on the Iranian western border. Iran's situation on its western border hasn't changed much. It's had an enemy for years and continues to do so. It's also bordered by Pakistan, Azerbeijan, Turkmenistan, and Armenia

- Given the fact that Hezbollah has Fajr missiles, I doubt the Iranians supplying the missiles do not want Israeli children blown to bits.

- Iranian Democracy is really a secular democracy within an autocratic theocracy. The mullahs have veto power over anything of real meaning.

- Ahmadenijad isn't behaving as a rational person on the foreign policy stage, so dealing with him rationally is not possible. I'm really hoping a lot of his ravings/statements are for show and we really have some behind the scenes negotiations going on.

- I'm thinking we need to have some sort of basis for dialogue with Iran, but am not really sure how we could go about it given their support of Hezbollah terrorists and nuclear weapons ambitions

- 444 days instantly pops into my head everytime I hear the word 'Iran'. Yes, I know it was a long time ago, but it pops in there nonetheless and I can't help but think about that and the regime that did it.

Random thoughts from me on Iran from a forgeign policy perspective. I think it's finding a basis for dialogue and agreement with them that is the first step. I'm just wondering what that might be.

Vinny the Anvil
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[TheAnvil 0]

If you enjoy monologues with walls, might I recommend the Great Wall of China? I've been to the Berlin Wall, but didn't find it quite as nice or interesting as the Great Wall of China.

What Israel is doing now is killing its members, destroying its arm caches, and attacking its general infrastructure (it, obviously, referring to Hezbollah here). All steps listed by me as what would be required to defeat Hezbollah. I don't see any Israeli plans to aid/assist the innocents and therefore think they're fucking it up.

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I usually side w/ you. BUT. Back to the root problem. What caused them to hate us to start w/ ?

IT goes back over 60 years.. the USA was one of the very first countries to ratify the new State of Israel.

The Arabs have NEVER accepted Israels existence.... and attacked them immediately... and have lost more ground over and over..... the Arabs are some serious self loathing MOFO"S since they are some of the worst ANTI SEMITIC spewing sucka's in the world.

IF they want to live in peace.. then let them make peace. SO FAR they are incapable of it... but at least Egypt and Jordan have made some decisions based on the reality of the situation and have decided to move on with Israel as a neighbor.

The terroist organizations thrive on the strife.. its their reason for being....They would all just be a useless vestige of a failed historical experiment..... should there be peace... and they cant handle being relegated to irrelevancy.

Jeez. Ya think USA Imperialism could be the root of the problem. Big Corps. and USA trying to take over the world. God I feel like a fuckin Myna bird. Polly want a cracker?

with the American government and people both funding, and backing Israel.... expect another 9/11 in responce from the muslim countries israel kills the inocent civilians of

welcome to your nightmare, it's only going to get worse

[billvon 2,792]

>Mexico and Canada didn't just finish a long war with the US, as Iraq did
>with Iran on the Iranian western border.

I agree. But what does that have to do with anything? Hussein was an impotent enemy who didn't make much progress against Iran. (Indeed, the little progress he _did_ make was partly our doing.) A US-backed Iraq is not impotent by a long shot.

>Given the fact that Hezbollah has Fajr missiles, I doubt the Iranians
> supplying the missiles do not want Israeli children blown to bits.

We sold the Israelis nuclear-capable bombers and attack helicopters, helicopters now being used to blow up fleeing civilians. Do we want Arab children blown to bits?

>Ahmadenijad isn't behaving as a rational person on the foreign policy
>stage, so dealing with him rationally is not possible.

?? He's doing an excellent job when it comes to cementing his popular support. "Rational" does not mean "friendly to the US" - it means doing things that achieve your goals.

>I'm really hoping a lot of his ravings/statements are for show and we
>really have some behind the scenes negotiations going on.

Of course they are. Do you really believe that when Bush asked the insurgents to "bring it on" - he WANTED all the violence that has occurred since then? It was silly macho posturing, of the sort we see from world leaders all the time.

>I'm thinking we need to have some sort of basis for dialogue with Iran,
>but am not really sure how we could go about it given their support of
>Hezbollah terrorists and nuclear weapons ambitions

Same way we deal with China, which is a far more dangerous regime - and already has nuclear weapons, and already does support terrorism.

>Random thoughts from me on Iran from a forgeign policy perspective.
>I think it's finding a basis for dialogue and agreement with them that
>is the first step. I'm just wondering what that might be.

I don't know. It will take a Nixon (without the criminal part) to figure out how to do that, I think.

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the surest way to lose is to become them.

The surest way to win is to kill every single last one of them.... and in order to do that the entire middle east has to go up in flames. It will one day, it's only a matter of time. There can be no peace. Islam preaches that it is only a matter of time untill they rule the world and millions beleive this.

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Hussein was a malevolent enemy - fairly evenly matched with the Iranians. A US backed Iraq capable of attacking Iran is a long, long way in the future.

Israel is a nation-state. Hezbollah is a terrorist movement. HUGE difference. Any civilians Israel kills are killed while Israel is attacking terrorist targets. Those killed by the Hezbollah terrorists are done killed deliberately.

I don't think cementing popular support necessarily means one is rational.

We engage China economically on many levels. Diplomatically as well. Doing the same with Iran is just not possible. They've neither the workforce or manufacturing base that China does. Oil, oil, and more oil. And superb food.

A Nixon it might take...perhaps one with a cleaner mouth and a bit higher set of morals. You gotta hand it to Tricky Dick, though - a dumbass he was not. Very intelligent man - especially with regards to foreign policy.

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[billvon 2,792]

>The surest way to win is to kill every single last one of them....

The last time someone tried that, most of the world rose up against them. And they lost.

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>The surest way to win is to kill every single last one of them....

The last time someone tried that, most of the world rose up against them. And they lost.

I understand where you are coming from. This however was published in The NY Times today as attributed to the Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr in Iraq.

“I know very well the dangers of holding demonstrations in our beloved Iraq, from the enemies of Allah and Islam,” he said. “But it is our duty and our love for martyrdom and to die for the sake of Allah, that is calling us to support truth and its people. If any of you seeks heaven then here are the open doors, wear your shrouds and stand up to support your struggling and patient brothers in Lebanon and Iraq.”

On Friday, tomorrow, lets see how many thousands or tens of thousand heed the call for their own death to support the death of others.

Imagine a world today with the Inca's or the Aztecs of South America with the freedom to pratice their religion on the continent of South America.

I am not hell bent on hurting anyone. I am however steadfest in my belief that those that preach hate will get what they having coming to them.

The Shiites of Iraq are no different than the Shiites of Iran or elsewhere in the world. Their mistaken belief will be their own downfall. They have now the freedom they so long desired in Iraq and all they are doing "as a mob" are killing people.

Unless you are a beleiver in Allah and Islam, you are an enemy. All the talking, posting, speaking of human rights that anyone may do if you are marked as an enemy of such, does no good when the time comes to cut off your head to satisfy the "mob" of beleivers and further their base of power. I find them to be barbaric and at the start of the current Iraqi conflict I didn't feel this way. I am tired of them, I'm tired of their nonsensical statements, their value system and their beliefs.

They offer very little to the world IMO

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Same way we deal with China, which is a far more dangerous regime - and already has nuclear weapons, and already does support terrorism.

Interesting. It is my pet conspiracy theory that China is behind much of the shit going on in the middle east. The easiest trail to point out is the Palestinian terrorist-Hezbollah-Syria-Iran-China one. Look at the only 2 countries vetoing sanctions on Iran, then ask... who needs Iran the most and who has the most to gain by keeping the US and the West occupied monetarily and militarily in the middle east.

Oh, hello again!

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"I find them to be barbaric and at the start of the current Iraqi conflict I didn't feel this way. I am tired of them, I'm tired of their nonsensical statements, their value system and their beliefs."___________________________________________I will say it again. Their business. We need to stay out of it. No wonder they hate us. Come stick your nose in my business and see what happens

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Same way we deal with China, which is a far more dangerous regime - and already has nuclear weapons, and already does support terrorism.

Interesting. It is my pet conspiracy theory that China is behind much of the shit going on in the middle east. The easiest trail to point out is the Palestinian terrorist-Hezbollah-Syria-Iran-China one. Look at the only 2 countries vetoing sanctions on Iran, then ask... who needs Iran the most and who has the most to gain by keeping the US and the West occupied monetarily and militarily in the middle east.

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"I find them to be barbaric and at the start of the current Iraqi conflict I didn't feel this way. I am tired of them, I'm tired of their nonsensical statements, their value system and their beliefs."___________________________________________

I will say it again. Their business. We need to stay out of it. No wonder they hate us. Come stick your nose in my business and see what happens

ABC news today.

"BAGHDAD, Iraq Aug 4, 2006 (AP)— Hundreds of thousands of Shiites chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" marched through the streets of Baghdad's biggest Shiite district Friday in a show of support for Hezbollah militants battling Israeli troops in Lebanon."

They are raised to hate us, as I said their religion is one of hate and hating anyone who is considered an Infidal. This "mob" mentality is going to result in the deaths of thousands.

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They are raised to hate us, as I said their religion is one of hate and hating anyone who is considered an Infidal. This "mob" mentality is going to result in the deaths of thousands.

You keep saying this but you're dangerously wrong. This is not what Islam teaches any more than it is what Christianity teaches. It is what religious extremists teach, regardless of faith.

[billvon 2,792]

>as I said their religion is one of hate and hating anyone who is considered an Infidal.


Deut 18:20 - "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

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They are raised to hate us, as I said their religion is one of hate and hating anyone who is considered an Infidal. This "mob" mentality is going to result in the deaths of thousands.

You keep saying this but you're dangerously wrong. This is not what Islam teaches any more than it is what Christianity teaches. It is what religious extremists teach, regardless of faith.

Yes I understand this, nontheless the teachers are theaching hate. The students only know hate. This has been going on long before the Islamic reveloution in 79 in Iran. However it is getting out of control, it's spreading & it is going to effect those who are unable to fix their own problem within their own religion. If left alone the problem grows and gets worse, it is what is happening now. We live with middle east terror as if it's common because it has become common.

Imagine, in Lebanon, the central government strong enough to just wake up, say the themselves, we've brought this upon ourselves, we've suffered countless billons of dollars in property damge and loss of life. If they were to say to themselves it must stop and arrest the leaders of Hezbollah and put them on trial for hate crimes. It would be a step forward.

I don't have the answer to the problem but hundreds of thousands of people preaching death to anyone should be considered a hate crime in and of itself, since it's not, conflict is on the horizon.

Those who are moderate do nothing to fix this problem while they have the chance, then they jump on the bandwagon with the extremists when the extremists act out and suffer the consequences of their actions.

Although their may still be hope but it's looking more doubtful every day.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/arab-disquiet-over-hezbollah/2006/08/04/1154198332168.html

[billvon 2,792]

>Unless you are a beleiver in Allah and Islam, you are an enemy.

So they must really hate the Catholics, eh? What's actually happening may get in the way of your theory:

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In an event that would have been unthinkable a few months ago, in this country where politics is locked into religious lines, the Maronite Catholic patriarch — the spiritual leader of the most pro-Western populace — convened a meeting this week of religious leaders of other communities, Shiite and Sunni Muslims and several varieties of Christians . . . Their joint statement, condemning the Israeli “aggression,” hailed “the resistance, mainly led by Hezbollah, which represents one of the sections of society.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin
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>I am however steadfest in my belief that those that preach hate
>will get what they having coming to them.

Since the catholics are now supporting evil terrorists, will you call for their destruction as well?

[Channman 2]

> I EXPECT better behavior from a nation state

>Equating behaviors simply raises Hezbollah to a higher status than it deserves.

The nation state you make reference to is trying to lower Hezbollah to a status it deserves...the grave.

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The nation state you make reference to is trying to lower Hezbollah to a status it deserves...the grave.

That since Israels occupation of Arab lands has proved impossible and right now all they are doing paradoxically is ensuring another generation of strenghtened support for Hezbollah. Imho there is a direct corrolation between the support and strenght of H´bollah with the level of terrorism visited on the civilian population and that civilian populations economic prospects. Sustained terror acts combined with a shattered economy. Young Lebanese and beyond will dusting off their white robes for years to come..

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They are raised to hate us, as I said their religion is one of hate and hating anyone who is considered an Infidal. This "mob" mentality is going to result in the deaths of thousands millions.

There fixed it for you. They do not respect any other religion than their own.Its becoming more and more apparant that they are not willing to live peacefully with anyone else. The infidels have to go... and there will be no peace till they achieve that goal( in thier eyes)

I think some of us on the other side of the Infidel wall might have a few things to DO about that