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Plame arranged her husbands trip

Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed

You must REALLLY be enjoying yourself based on the sig line.

No one can bludgeon you with the truth...DUDE.... I know this does not matter to YOU But your Imperial Highness and his minions have just the right probe for you.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/


Feb. 13, 2006 issue - Newly released court papers could put holes in the defense of Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, in the Valerie Plame leak case. Lawyers for Libby, and White House allies, have repeatedly questioned whether Plame, the wife of White House critic Joe Wilson, really had covert status when she was outed to the media in July 2003. But special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed done "covert work overseas" on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA "was making specific efforts to conceal" her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge's opinion. (A CIA spokesman at the time is quoted as saying Plame was "unlikely" to take further trips overseas, though.) Fitzgerald concluded he could not charge Libby for violating a 1982 law banning the outing of a covert CIA agent; apparently he lacked proof Libby was aware of her covert status when he talked about her three times with New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Fitzgerald did consider charging Libby with violating the so-called Espionage Act, which prohibits the disclosure of "national defense information," the papers show; he ended up indicting Libby for lying about when and from whom he learned about Plame.



NEVER EVER try to convince a partisan hack with reality

[kelpdiver 2]

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If you can't trust your own government, who, then, may I ask, can you trust?

I really don't know how to reply to this question. You've got me on the ropes with my jaw hanging wide open in disbelief. I think I hear sheep.

I heard geese stepping along.

This whole notion of jailing reporters for 'blatantly false reporting' is hilarious, esp when you substitute their ax for how Bush sold the war on Iraq.

And i'm guessing these folks never see the free socialist papers and their headlines.

Politics and lying go hand in hand. Thankfully we have the 1st Amendment so one person's lies aren't ranked above another.

[billvon 2,433]

>There should be penalties for irresponsible journalism . . .

Exactly! Get your facts wrong as a reporter, go to jail. Get your facts wrong as president, and send 2500 americans to their deaths - well, that's fine. No harm done!

>irresponsible gun ownership can be lethal but journalism can be
>far more devastating when the story is untrue.

I guess we can all look forward to the day when murderers are set free, and journalists who mistake Jeff Gannon for James Guckert are imprisoned.

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I agree, freedom of the press is far overrated and over used.

You are about the 4th person to either stupidly or purposefully misrepresent warp's comment.

Which is it, purposeful, or just stupid? If you don't know which, just ask.

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I agree, freedom of the press is far overrated and over used.

You are about the 4th person to either stupidly or purposefully misrepresent warp's comment.

Which is it, purposeful, or just stupid? If you don't know which, just ask.

Is it purposeful or just stupid to misread the words in the 1st Amendment? Or do you guys really believe people will panic after reading/listening a story to the same extent they would when they fear death by fire?

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I agree, freedom of the press is far overrated and over used.

You are about the 4th person to either stupidly or purposefully misrepresent warp's comment.

Which is it, purposeful, or just stupid? If you don't know which, just ask.

BillVon, please shut these persoanl attacks down before I reply. Thx.

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I agree, freedom of the press is far overrated and over used.

You are about the 4th person to either stupidly or purposefully misrepresent warp's comment.

Which is it, purposeful, or just stupid? If you don't know which, just ask.

I find it quite enlightening seeing obviously intelligent people, misrepresenting or misinterpreting something I said in a very unambigous, plain as day manner.

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Is it purposeful or just stupid to misread the words in the 1st Amendment? Or do you guys really believe people will panic after reading/listening a story to the same extent they would when they fear death by fire?

Panic and personal safety are not the only limits on free speech.

But either way, I'm simply pointing out that people in this thread keep misrepresenting the obvious intent of what warp wrote.

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I find it quite enlightening seeing obviously intelligent people, misrepresenting or misinterpreting something I said in a very unambigous, plain as day manner.

The Chicken Little crowd on here needs new material badly.

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I know this doen't matter to you but

Plame arranged her husbands trip

Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed

Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresentedthe information he himself had gathered.

I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject.....

Facts, eh? Where's your proof?

Oh, wait, Limbaugh must have said it, and it is therefore a fact.

Fact: Libby indicted for one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and
two counts of making false statements.

What's he covering up, hmmm? Libby took the fall to protect Rove, Cheney, et. al.

The funny thing is, I can admit when politicians I have supported has done something wrong, but you Bushies would prefer to go down with the ship.

Well, be my guest.

Zipp0

Everything I said has been documented.

You say Libby took the fall. And you ask me if I have proof

Please don't let me distort your world view. That would be way to tramatic.

By the way, Fitzgerald has said the Plame was not outed. Libby has been charged with a process crime not related to the supposed "outing"

And you say the Bushies are going down with the ship. what a hoot......

The crimes Libby is charged with were meant to hinder the investigation, and cloud the truth. Or, as Fitzgerald said "It's like kicking sand in the face of the umpire."

If there was no cover-up, why is Scooter Lying?

In the end, you will lose. So, enjoy Bush's current status as the "Teflon Don" (remember Slick Willie?) but be ready when Humpty Dumpty has his great fall.

Zipp0

Oh, I am going to keep this one. I will enjoy posting this one back to you

You can just keep living in the world of the charges. In the mean time I will continue to look for evidence........... you might be able to remember what that is someday.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Plame arranged her husbands trip

Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed

You must REALLLY be enjoying yourself based on the sig line.

No one can bludgeon you with the truth...DUDE.... I know this does not matter to YOU But your Imperial Highness and his minions have just the right probe for you.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/


Feb. 13, 2006 issue - Newly released court papers could put holes in the defense of Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, in the Valerie Plame leak case. Lawyers for Libby, and White House allies, have repeatedly questioned whether Plame, the wife of White House critic Joe Wilson, really had covert status when she was outed to the media in July 2003. But special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed done "covert work overseas" on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA "was making specific efforts to conceal" her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge's opinion. (A CIA spokesman at the time is quoted as saying Plame was "unlikely" to take further trips overseas, though.) Fitzgerald concluded he could not charge Libby for violating a 1982 law banning the outing of a covert CIA agent; apparently he lacked proof Libby was aware of her covert status when he talked about her three times with New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Fitzgerald did consider charging Libby with violating the so-called Espionage Act, which prohibits the disclosure of "national defense information," the papers show; he ended up indicting Libby for lying about when and from whom he learned about Plame.



NEVER EVER try to convince a partisan hack with reality

Back to PIs is see

As for your post, I find it interesting that you highlite only part of Fitzgeralds quote. Have you chosen to ignore what he has said since the Feb 13 date of your post?

I thought so...........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ngawang01 0]

Do not forget the anthrax attack in our postal system. Wiretapping, secrecy and everything. Nobody has been caught and prosecuted from that attack. Probably they are wiretapping the wrong subjects, like theirs political opponents and now the media. Now, thats really scary.

"Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted Just an earth-bound misfit, I". pf

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Advocating some sort of crackdown on media freedom is the scariest and most irresponsible thing I have seen posted in SC to date. There are a few, very small steps between a fearful, controlled, or intimidated media and a totalitarian state.

actually something we both agree on.

To unformed:
the "MEDIA" is a product. You don't have to buy it. Are you pissed that the check-out counter mags talk about batboy and "Bush meets with aliens"?? Are they LYING to us?? No because you don't buy it.
You don't have to turn your tv/radio on. Try sifting through the crap, do a little research and come to your own conclusion. I mean does fox/cnn sit around and say "Hey, what should we lie about tonight. ??" "Hey Jeff, any good lie ideas??"


geez

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Keep in mind, you are talking to many 26%ers. Here is some update information for all the 26%ers on the Libby case.

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Lewis Libby defense lawyer Theodore Wells told a federal judge a short time ago that the Libby defense team has located “five witnesses who will say under oath that Mr. [Joseph] Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.”

Wells said he expects that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will call Wilson himself to the stand to rebut those accusations.

Today's hearing concerning what evidence Fitzgerald is required to turn over to the Libby defense team turned into an extended discussion of whether jurors will be allowed to assess Joseph Wilson's credibility vs. that of the administration as it concerns the reasons the U.S. went to war in Iraq. Prosecutor Fitzgerald told the court, "We don't want to try the war. The courtroom is not a reasonable place to try the war. Judge Reggie Walton seemed to agree, saying, "I'm not going to let this case end up being a judicial examination of the legitimacy of the war."

In the hearing, prosecutor Fitzgerald suggested that he would offer the Libby defense team some proof that Valerie Plame Wilson's status at the CIA was classified. But as he had said earlier, Fitzgerald again said, "We will not offer any proof of actual damages" caused by the revelation of Plame's identity, although Fitzgerald said "the issue of potential damage will come up several times" in the trial.

Oh, and by the way all you 26%ers I predict that Richard Armatage, (who was Colin Powells Assistant at the State Dept) will be exposed as the source of the leak unless the Judge dies of a heart attack from laughing at Fitzgeralds ridiculous case before then.

edited to add: Everyone put on their thinking caps and ask yourself why the CIA would send a former Ambassador to Niger to find out if Iraq was trying to buy Uranium.

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Keep in mind, you are talking to many 26%ers. Here is some update information for all the 26%ers on the Libby case.

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Lewis Libby defense lawyer Theodore Wells told a federal judge a short time ago that the Libby defense team has located “five witnesses who will say under oath that Mr. [Joseph] Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.”

Wells said he expects that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will call Wilson himself to the stand to rebut those accusations.

Today's hearing concerning what evidence Fitzgerald is required to turn over to the Libby defense team turned into an extended discussion of whether jurors will be allowed to assess Joseph Wilson's credibility vs. that of the administration as it concerns the reasons the U.S. went to war in Iraq. Prosecutor Fitzgerald told the court, "We don't want to try the war. The courtroom is not a reasonable place to try the war. Judge Reggie Walton seemed to agree, saying, "I'm not going to let this case end up being a judicial examination of the legitimacy of the war."

In the hearing, prosecutor Fitzgerald suggested that he would offer the Libby defense team some proof that Valerie Plame Wilson's status at the CIA was classified. But as he had said earlier, Fitzgerald again said, "We will not offer any proof of actual damages" caused by the revelation of Plame's identity, although Fitzgerald said "the issue of potential damage will come up several times" in the trial.

Oh, and by the way all you 26%ers I predict that Richard Armatage, (who was Colin Powells Assistant at the State Dept) will be exposed as the source of the leak unless the Judge dies of a heart attack from laughing at Fitzgeralds ridiculous case before then.

edited to add: Everyone put on their thinking caps and ask yourself why the CIA would send a former Ambassador to Niger to find out if Iraq was trying to buy Uranium.

They would only send him to fail

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I have not advocated a media crackdown. I have only advocated responcible truthful reporting.

Have a problem with that?

LMFAO! This from a guy whose most frequent source is newsmax!

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I have not advocated a media crackdown. I have only advocated responcible truthful reporting.

Have a problem with that?

LMFAO! This from a guy whose most frequent source is newsmax!

Blues,
Dave

Ahhh, I love the responces of those that (think) know what is best for everybody else. (gottal love the liberal mind set)

I also enjoy thread re-directs by those that have no coherent responce to a post.

Oh, and I will use NewMax over and over. I will not stop jut because some of you don't like what they report

Many of the NewMax posts I put up are AP, Rueters and many other reprints. I don't see you putting up similar info from your favaorite sources.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Ahhh, I love the responces of those that (think) know what is best for everybody else. (gottal love the liberal mind set)

That doesn't even make sense. Where did I imply I know what is best for everyone else? And what makes you think I subscribe to "the liberal mind set?"

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Oh, and I will use NewMax over and over. I will not stop jut because some of you don't like what they report

Many of the NewMax posts I put up are AP, Rueters and many other reprints. I don't see you putting up similar info from your favaorite sources.

Then you obviously haven't been paying attention.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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Oh, and I will use NewMax over and over. I will not stop jut because some of you don't like what they report

Nobody complains because they "don't like" newsmax's editorials. They're warning you that they're LAUGHING at newsmax for being so amateur and transparent.

But if you don't mind the same thing happening to you, just keep reposting these strident editorials and claiming they're informative news.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[rushmc 18]

>Nobody complains because they "don't like" newsmax's editorials. They're warning you that they're LAUGHING at newsmax for being so amateur and transparent.


Now I am laughing. You obviously have not spent anytime looking at the NewMax website or the Mag.

Thanks for enlightening me

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

> Now I am laughing. You obviously have not spent anytime looking at the NewMax website or the Mag.

Thanks for enlightening me

Do you ever feel like your talking to a wall.

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> Now I am laughing. You obviously have not spent anytime looking at the NewMax website or the Mag.

Thanks for enlightening me

Do you ever feel like your talking to a wall.

Lots and lots of pain killers OTC for the conspiracy crowd

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln