tcnelson 1 #76 March 3, 2006 QuoteHey... why not take Godwins Law and put it where the sun dont shine... you can feel free to give it your best shot whenever you muster up the courage little lady. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #77 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteOK, so you don't consider it "spewing hate", but do you think it deserves his removal as a teacher? Of course not. I would say exactly the same thing if he made a pro-Bush rant. LMFAO!! But in this case, you are NOT opposed to the teacher's actions because it was an anti-Bush rant! You can't see the hypocrisy in that position?? QuoteIt is completely relevant, because this man could lose his career over his opinion I call bullshit. I don't think you believe it's over his opinion that he could lose his job; it's over his actions. He knew the rules, and his boiling, roiling vitriol against America could not be contained by his puny degree of self-control, and it got him in hot water because he forgot the rule about being FAIR in the delivery of his opinions (which had no place in a geography class in the first place). --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #78 March 3, 2006 QuoteThat would make him a hypocrite, which is probably more accurate. it's probably accurate that you are ignorant and an extremely slow learner. it doesn't matter what you say, this is likely the realistic situation here."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #79 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI contend that you don't know that as a fact, and you should not call us liars. Have you listened to it yet? Of course. It is not something I would characterize as "spewing hate". ... If you are going to tell me Fox News would have this on if this was a spirited pro-Bush rant, I call bullshit. So now the issue is not the story but who reported the story. Who is making this an issue of bias, again? QuoteIf you're going to tell me your opinion of this whole thing would be exactly the same if this was a pro-Bush rant, again, I call bullshit. You are really good at calling people liars, but piss-poor at proving it. - The entire issue has to do with bias. That's the whole point. If the teacher had expressed the opposite political view, we wouldn't even be talking about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #80 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteThat would make him a hypocrite, which is probably more accurate. it's probably accurate that you are ignorant and an extremely slow learner. it doesn't matter what you say, this is likely the realistic situation here. Probably so. I have explained how it is I believe you are either completely unrealistic or a hypocrite. Where have I gone wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #81 March 3, 2006 QuoteIf you are so worried about what is being taught go get a teaching certificate and teach yourself That goes for everyone on both sides of this arguement. This Teacher is on leave since he did not provide a chance for an equal rebutal, nothing else. It did'nt matter what his opinion was on, but because he didn't put out the other viewpoint that is the only issue here. Why don't you tell that to JohnnyD, who is arguing the exact opposite -- that it was because his opinion was anti-Bush/anti-U.S. that he was suspended. He violated an objective policy, as you said. He should suffer whatever proscribed punishment the school district has in place for that. JohnnyD would rather make accusations that he can't prove, that we are only after this teacher because his opinions don't gibe with our own. A fine thing, calling people liars like that. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #82 March 3, 2006 QuoteA student.... one... who recorded him because the teacher does not suscribe to his particular viewpoint. I listened to the student this morning on Fox News..[/REPLY] If you listened to the kid himself, you heard him tell you that he regularly records classroom lectures to help with studying, not because of anything any teacher says in particular. Are you actually lying about this, or did you just get confused? QuoteKinda reminded me of how the students were required to report on thier teachers in 1930's Germany.. Gobble-de-goop from La-La Land. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #83 March 3, 2006 Sieg Heil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #84 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnything is possible.... but obviously the students were upset over SOMEthing that was said. A student.... one... who recorded him because the teacher does not suscribe to his particular viewpoint. I listened to the student this morning on Fox News.. Kinda reminded me of how the students were required to report on thier teachers in 1930's Germany.. Why would a student voluntarily recording the teacher remind you of what fascists required anyone to do in 1930s Germany? Could you maybe be making this parallel out of your desire to think this is a fascist issue? Your going skydiving kinda reminds me of how paratroopers in WWII were required to jump out of planes into enemy territory to fight or die for victory... In fact, there is very little difference between your skydiving and, say, forced sterilization in China. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #85 March 3, 2006 Any teacher can have personal political views. When they take their (left or right politics) to their minor students, and use it as a platform to push their position, just shows them as puling cowards who can't debate their position with other adults. They have to push their politics on those they have authority over. It's no better than a supervisor doing it to their employees. The ACLU would be all over that. This is worse, these are kids and they aren't mature enough to understand the subtlties of economics and world politics. Heck, they have a hard enough time with Geography. I know, the Euro crowd on DZ.com make fun of the kids about geography all the time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #86 March 3, 2006 QuoteWhere have I gone wrong? can't see the forest for the trees, huh? ok, one more time for the cheap seats: your assertion that it is unrealistic for a teacher to be unbiased and good at his/her job at the same time is absurd. in fact, one of the qualities that makes a good teacher is the ability to remain unbiased. [praying voice]please, let this sink in.[/praying voice]"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #87 March 3, 2006 Quote I call bullshit. I don't think you believe it's over his opinion that he could lose his job; it's over his actions. He knew the rules, and his boiling, roiling vitriol against America could not be contained by his puny degree of self-control, and it got him in hot water because he forgot the rule about being FAIR in the delivery of his opinions (which had no place in a geography class in the first place). - Perfect example. If this teacher made a spirited speech about the virtues of freedom and democracy, what would your reaction be? Should he be placed on administrative leave and possibly terminated for his opinions? Of course not, you hold the same opinion. Most people are taking sides as to whether they agree or disagree with his opinion. I'm not. I'm saying he has a right to it and shouldn't lose his job because of it. If he wanted to say the opposite: that Bush's foreign policy will bring peace and stability to the middle east, I support that just as much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #88 March 3, 2006 QuoteSieg Heil Just WTF are the Conservatives in the Reich Wing actually " Conserving" Weren't siglines with political messages prohibited? Or was that rule scaled back? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #89 March 3, 2006 Quote Whether or not he likes or hates our President he should have his job terminated for teaching shit like that in a HS classroom...Hitler was far more evil than Bush ever could be. Bush did not exterminate 6 million Jews and cost the world over 50 million lives due to WW2!!! If that is the level of this mans intellect he should maybe go be a DNC chairman, or a hate mongering political pundit ...like those we see spewing shit from their mouths on TV Hard to say. Sometimes great lecturer's will use inflamatory coments to provoke a reaction, which they hope to mold into a conversation, in the interest of developing critical thinking skills in students. That said, Hitler's atrocities (putting it lightly) were not events that took place hundreds of years ago, which could therefore be commented on in such a casual abstract ways. Given that many people from that era who suffered losses are still alive, comparative references to Hitler should be used with more discretion and sensitivity. In fairness I do not know the whole story and could be misreading this event, so my apologies if I am way off. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #90 March 3, 2006 QuoteI think our children need to listen to all sides of an issue...THEN you have critical thinking skills develop... not little propogandists who will run and report to the authorities when they hear something not approved by the Reichstag. Again with the "Nazis required him to report on the teacher" crap. Funny, if that's how you look at it, 99% of the class did not go along with the Reichstag's rules. You should be quite pleased with that success rate. And, um, where was the "other side" to what the teacher was spewing? You just said students should be given all sides. Did this teacher do that? No? Is there a school district rule that says he has to? Yes? Good. Fine. He's suspended for breaking a rule. Or should we let him off out of sympathy for the fact that liberals are sinking fast in this country and must be despondent, and set an example for the students that rule-breaking has no consequences? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #91 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuote Kinda reminded me of how the students were required to report on thier teachers in 1930's Germany.. Why would a student voluntarily recording the teacher remind you of what fascists required anyone to do in 1930s Germany? Could you maybe be making this parallel out of your desire to think this is a fascist issue? I think it's obvious that she was reminded of it by the fact that the student reported on what was being taught. The recording part was secondary. It's hardly a Godwin case when it's the exact same sort of thing happening. The kid has a hard lesson coming up to him in college. Hopefully it's just his dad living in this special world. Otherwise the kid will flunk the first time he gets a marxist instructor. Or insert your own alternative line of thinking. They won't be impressed by FoxNews either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #92 March 3, 2006 QuoteOr was that rule scaled back? Lots of scalin' back goes on in that neighborhood. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 94 #93 March 3, 2006 QuoteThe kid has a hard lesson coming up to him in college. Hopefully it's just his dad living in this special world. Otherwise the kid will flunk the first time he gets a marxist instructor. Or insert your own alternative line of thinking. They won't be impressed by FoxNews either. Profs in college are allowed much more opinionated lectures. The fact that you admit that he is likely to get a marxist instructor is quite telling though...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #94 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhere have I gone wrong? can't see the forest for the trees, huh? ok, one more time for the cheap seats: your assertion that it is unrealistic for a teacher to be unbiased and good at his/her job at the same time is absurd. in fact, one of the qualities that makes a good teacher is the ability to remain unbiased. [praying voice]please, let this sink in.[/praying voice] In a perfect world, that would be great. I think a majority of classes are really like that. That said, for every "left wing rant" I had to sit through in college, I sat through 10 "right wing rants". They were intended to provoke thought and none of those teachers should be disciplined for them. Sometimes, teachers need to take a position (mostly play devils's advocate) to get the students to think about their position. Sometimes just to hold their interest. Its just part of the learning process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #95 March 3, 2006 QuoteSieg Heil You certainly are on a Nazi kick aren't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #96 March 3, 2006 QuoteProfs in college are allowed much more opinionated lectures. The fact that you admit that he is likely to get a marxist instructor is quite telling though... and, that if the kid stands up for his opinions against the opinions of said professor will result in "a hard lesson" and the kid "will flunk". that's more telling too maybe the kid will stand up to the (hypothetical) professor who is obviously wrong and the (hypothetical) professor will have to start teaching instead of preaching...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #97 March 3, 2006 QuoteSometimes, teachers need to take a political? position (mostly play devils's advocate) to get the students to think about their position. Sometimes just to hold their interest. Its just part of the learning process. maybe it's part of the indoctrination process, the kids are 'taught' to knee jerk (i mean, pay attention) to political examples instead of just good teaching ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #98 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteProfs in college are allowed much more opinionated lectures. The fact that you admit that he is likely to get a marxist instructor is quite telling though... and, that if the kid stands up for his opinions against the opinions of said professor will result in "a hard lesson" and the kid "will flunk". that's more telling too maybe the kid will stand up to the (hypothetical) professor who is obviously wrong and the (hypothetical) professor will have to start teaching instead of preaching...... If it his intention to go to the press and whine, yeah, he'll get bounced. Academia does not promise or owe him instruction that agrees with his very narrow view of the world. Nor does it promise him employment with like minded companies and bosses. You have to know when to get along, and when to make a stink. Sometimes you benefit by actually listening, too. This teacher may have been out of line, but I think the kid failed to learn this lesson so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #99 March 3, 2006 Quote and, that if the kid stands up for his opinions against the opinions of said professor will result in "a hard lesson" and the kid "will flunk". And did the kid actually stand up for his opinions, or merely record and report? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #100 March 3, 2006 QuotePerfect example. If this teacher made a spirited speech about the virtues of freedom and democracy, what would your reaction be? Should he be placed on administrative leave and possibly terminated for his opinions? Of course not, you hold the same opinion. Um, holy shit. Are you really saying that in a classroom setting, in a free "democracy" (do you really still fall under the misconception that the U.S. is built to be a "democracy"?) any time the virtues of freedom and democracy are taught to students, we have to give equal time to the teaching of the virtues of fascism and totalitarianism?! What the fuck, dude?! QuoteMost people are taking sides as to whether they agree or disagree with his opinion. I'm not. I'm saying he has a right to it and shouldn't lose his job because of it. He's been suspended. I have not heard that he's been fired. And does he have a right to voice his opinion without giving the other side, in an issue that doesn't relate to the subject he is paid to teach, even despite there being a clear rule in the district about giving alternate viewpoints? He's entitled to break that rule just because he's entitled to his opinion? No one ever said he was not entitled to have an opinion. Do you have a right to disturb moviegoers by standing up during a screening and starting to rant about your political opinions? No. But that doesn't mean that those who escort you out of the theater tried to take away your right to an opinion. I really wonder if you understand this. So far, it does not seem so. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 4 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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peacefuljeffrey 0 #84 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnything is possible.... but obviously the students were upset over SOMEthing that was said. A student.... one... who recorded him because the teacher does not suscribe to his particular viewpoint. I listened to the student this morning on Fox News.. Kinda reminded me of how the students were required to report on thier teachers in 1930's Germany.. Why would a student voluntarily recording the teacher remind you of what fascists required anyone to do in 1930s Germany? Could you maybe be making this parallel out of your desire to think this is a fascist issue? Your going skydiving kinda reminds me of how paratroopers in WWII were required to jump out of planes into enemy territory to fight or die for victory... In fact, there is very little difference between your skydiving and, say, forced sterilization in China. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #85 March 3, 2006 Any teacher can have personal political views. When they take their (left or right politics) to their minor students, and use it as a platform to push their position, just shows them as puling cowards who can't debate their position with other adults. They have to push their politics on those they have authority over. It's no better than a supervisor doing it to their employees. The ACLU would be all over that. This is worse, these are kids and they aren't mature enough to understand the subtlties of economics and world politics. Heck, they have a hard enough time with Geography. I know, the Euro crowd on DZ.com make fun of the kids about geography all the time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #86 March 3, 2006 QuoteWhere have I gone wrong? can't see the forest for the trees, huh? ok, one more time for the cheap seats: your assertion that it is unrealistic for a teacher to be unbiased and good at his/her job at the same time is absurd. in fact, one of the qualities that makes a good teacher is the ability to remain unbiased. [praying voice]please, let this sink in.[/praying voice]"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #87 March 3, 2006 Quote I call bullshit. I don't think you believe it's over his opinion that he could lose his job; it's over his actions. He knew the rules, and his boiling, roiling vitriol against America could not be contained by his puny degree of self-control, and it got him in hot water because he forgot the rule about being FAIR in the delivery of his opinions (which had no place in a geography class in the first place). - Perfect example. If this teacher made a spirited speech about the virtues of freedom and democracy, what would your reaction be? Should he be placed on administrative leave and possibly terminated for his opinions? Of course not, you hold the same opinion. Most people are taking sides as to whether they agree or disagree with his opinion. I'm not. I'm saying he has a right to it and shouldn't lose his job because of it. If he wanted to say the opposite: that Bush's foreign policy will bring peace and stability to the middle east, I support that just as much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #88 March 3, 2006 QuoteSieg Heil Just WTF are the Conservatives in the Reich Wing actually " Conserving" Weren't siglines with political messages prohibited? Or was that rule scaled back? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #89 March 3, 2006 Quote Whether or not he likes or hates our President he should have his job terminated for teaching shit like that in a HS classroom...Hitler was far more evil than Bush ever could be. Bush did not exterminate 6 million Jews and cost the world over 50 million lives due to WW2!!! If that is the level of this mans intellect he should maybe go be a DNC chairman, or a hate mongering political pundit ...like those we see spewing shit from their mouths on TV Hard to say. Sometimes great lecturer's will use inflamatory coments to provoke a reaction, which they hope to mold into a conversation, in the interest of developing critical thinking skills in students. That said, Hitler's atrocities (putting it lightly) were not events that took place hundreds of years ago, which could therefore be commented on in such a casual abstract ways. Given that many people from that era who suffered losses are still alive, comparative references to Hitler should be used with more discretion and sensitivity. In fairness I do not know the whole story and could be misreading this event, so my apologies if I am way off. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #90 March 3, 2006 QuoteI think our children need to listen to all sides of an issue...THEN you have critical thinking skills develop... not little propogandists who will run and report to the authorities when they hear something not approved by the Reichstag. Again with the "Nazis required him to report on the teacher" crap. Funny, if that's how you look at it, 99% of the class did not go along with the Reichstag's rules. You should be quite pleased with that success rate. And, um, where was the "other side" to what the teacher was spewing? You just said students should be given all sides. Did this teacher do that? No? Is there a school district rule that says he has to? Yes? Good. Fine. He's suspended for breaking a rule. Or should we let him off out of sympathy for the fact that liberals are sinking fast in this country and must be despondent, and set an example for the students that rule-breaking has no consequences? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #91 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuote Kinda reminded me of how the students were required to report on thier teachers in 1930's Germany.. Why would a student voluntarily recording the teacher remind you of what fascists required anyone to do in 1930s Germany? Could you maybe be making this parallel out of your desire to think this is a fascist issue? I think it's obvious that she was reminded of it by the fact that the student reported on what was being taught. The recording part was secondary. It's hardly a Godwin case when it's the exact same sort of thing happening. The kid has a hard lesson coming up to him in college. Hopefully it's just his dad living in this special world. Otherwise the kid will flunk the first time he gets a marxist instructor. Or insert your own alternative line of thinking. They won't be impressed by FoxNews either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #92 March 3, 2006 QuoteOr was that rule scaled back? Lots of scalin' back goes on in that neighborhood. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #93 March 3, 2006 QuoteThe kid has a hard lesson coming up to him in college. Hopefully it's just his dad living in this special world. Otherwise the kid will flunk the first time he gets a marxist instructor. Or insert your own alternative line of thinking. They won't be impressed by FoxNews either. Profs in college are allowed much more opinionated lectures. The fact that you admit that he is likely to get a marxist instructor is quite telling though...People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #94 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhere have I gone wrong? can't see the forest for the trees, huh? ok, one more time for the cheap seats: your assertion that it is unrealistic for a teacher to be unbiased and good at his/her job at the same time is absurd. in fact, one of the qualities that makes a good teacher is the ability to remain unbiased. [praying voice]please, let this sink in.[/praying voice] In a perfect world, that would be great. I think a majority of classes are really like that. That said, for every "left wing rant" I had to sit through in college, I sat through 10 "right wing rants". They were intended to provoke thought and none of those teachers should be disciplined for them. Sometimes, teachers need to take a position (mostly play devils's advocate) to get the students to think about their position. Sometimes just to hold their interest. Its just part of the learning process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #95 March 3, 2006 QuoteSieg Heil You certainly are on a Nazi kick aren't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #96 March 3, 2006 QuoteProfs in college are allowed much more opinionated lectures. The fact that you admit that he is likely to get a marxist instructor is quite telling though... and, that if the kid stands up for his opinions against the opinions of said professor will result in "a hard lesson" and the kid "will flunk". that's more telling too maybe the kid will stand up to the (hypothetical) professor who is obviously wrong and the (hypothetical) professor will have to start teaching instead of preaching...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #97 March 3, 2006 QuoteSometimes, teachers need to take a political? position (mostly play devils's advocate) to get the students to think about their position. Sometimes just to hold their interest. Its just part of the learning process. maybe it's part of the indoctrination process, the kids are 'taught' to knee jerk (i mean, pay attention) to political examples instead of just good teaching ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #98 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteProfs in college are allowed much more opinionated lectures. The fact that you admit that he is likely to get a marxist instructor is quite telling though... and, that if the kid stands up for his opinions against the opinions of said professor will result in "a hard lesson" and the kid "will flunk". that's more telling too maybe the kid will stand up to the (hypothetical) professor who is obviously wrong and the (hypothetical) professor will have to start teaching instead of preaching...... If it his intention to go to the press and whine, yeah, he'll get bounced. Academia does not promise or owe him instruction that agrees with his very narrow view of the world. Nor does it promise him employment with like minded companies and bosses. You have to know when to get along, and when to make a stink. Sometimes you benefit by actually listening, too. This teacher may have been out of line, but I think the kid failed to learn this lesson so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #99 March 3, 2006 Quote and, that if the kid stands up for his opinions against the opinions of said professor will result in "a hard lesson" and the kid "will flunk". And did the kid actually stand up for his opinions, or merely record and report? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #100 March 3, 2006 QuotePerfect example. If this teacher made a spirited speech about the virtues of freedom and democracy, what would your reaction be? Should he be placed on administrative leave and possibly terminated for his opinions? Of course not, you hold the same opinion. Um, holy shit. Are you really saying that in a classroom setting, in a free "democracy" (do you really still fall under the misconception that the U.S. is built to be a "democracy"?) any time the virtues of freedom and democracy are taught to students, we have to give equal time to the teaching of the virtues of fascism and totalitarianism?! What the fuck, dude?! QuoteMost people are taking sides as to whether they agree or disagree with his opinion. I'm not. I'm saying he has a right to it and shouldn't lose his job because of it. He's been suspended. I have not heard that he's been fired. And does he have a right to voice his opinion without giving the other side, in an issue that doesn't relate to the subject he is paid to teach, even despite there being a clear rule in the district about giving alternate viewpoints? He's entitled to break that rule just because he's entitled to his opinion? No one ever said he was not entitled to have an opinion. Do you have a right to disturb moviegoers by standing up during a screening and starting to rant about your political opinions? No. But that doesn't mean that those who escort you out of the theater tried to take away your right to an opinion. I really wonder if you understand this. So far, it does not seem so. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
