2 Ejected from State of the Union for wearing "message" T-shirts

[rehmwa 2]

Just saw an article about the two women. Now they (security) are saying the women shouldn't have been removed.

Apparently both women were just tactless in the wardrobe attire, but nothing else is being pressed.

Still need an explanation on the different treatment of both. haven't seen anything from the security on that

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[hairyjuan 0]

any time some one is ostrcized for making a statement that is not politically "correct" it is a violation of the first amendment, which existed prior to the establishment of any government. the supreme court has stated emphatically that those who sleep on their rights do NOT have them,forgot the cite but it is a supreme court case

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

It's a disruption if it is likely to cause more attention to be focused on the idiots wearing the shirts than on the actual event that is supposed to be taking place.

If you go to a fancy restaurant wearing an "I'm with stupid" t-shirt when the establishment has a formal-attire stipulation, it is NOT a violation of your first amendment rights if they refuse you service or entry.

Likewise, conduct (which can include what you are wearing, particularly if it articulates a statement) can be restricted at functions like the state-of-the-union address.

What if they had been wearing plain clothes, but wouldn't stop SPEAKING during the address? SPEAKING is far more clearly identifiable as "free speech" than a t-shirt is -- and surely they would have been ejected for not shutting up.

I don't see the difference, and I don't see the problem. No one is telling them they can't go on talk shows and air their statements, or wear the shirts on the street, or publish their views in blogs and newspapers... There is no violation of "free speech" there -- especially since the prohibition is against congress making a LAW restricting freedom of speech and of the press... NOT against rules of entry for an event.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I do find it strange that only Sheehan got charged

I dont


remember.. you is for us or you is agin us. Since she is agin them.. she is obviously a terrorist.

creeeeeeaaaaaak

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Was Sheehan charged for "wearing a t-shirt"?

Or was the charge for something she did that the other women didn't? Did she strike a guard? Hit a cop?

I'd like more facts first.

She was probably charged for wearing a t-shirt the same way Clinton was impeached for getting a blowjob...

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Amazon 7]

You are waddling and making noises like a duck again.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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This seems like the interesting part:

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Beverly Young, wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Florida — chairman of the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee — was removed from the gallery because she was wearing a T-shirt that read, "Support the Troops — Defending Our Freedom."

She was sitting about six rows from first lady Laura Bush and asked to leave. She argued with police in the hallway outside the House chamber.

"They said I was protesting," she told the St. Petersburg Times. "I said, "Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, 'We consider that a protest.' I said, 'Then you are an idiot."'

So Mrs young mouthed off to police too. Why did she not get arrested?

Gee, uh, because "mouthing off" is not a crime unless it is accompanied by a refusal to obey a lawful order from a police officer.

Do you want "mouthing off" to be an arrest-worthy crime? I thought you were protesting her in favor of first amendment rights...

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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You are waddling and making noises like a duck again.

You are making creepy, floorboard-creaking stalker noises again...

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Amazon 7]

You could always escape to Iraq or Afghanistan.. just think you would actually get to shoot people.

Maybe not... by the time you got out of training.. you might get to go to Syria or Iran instead...LOTS of terrorists for you to shoot there.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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How is an AP story on Fox indicative of a perspective?

In your zeal to be partisan, you miss the point.
Whatever. I forgot you're a last-word freak.

Here's the paradox of making the accusation that someone is a "last-word freak": In order to make the accusation, YOU have to be the "last-word freak"!


P.S. I don't count as the last-word freak because this was not my argument, it was between you two...

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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You could always escape to Iraq or Afghanistan.. just think you would actually get to shoot people.

Maybe not... by the time you got out of training.. you might get to go to Syria or Iran instead...LOTS of terrorists for you to shoot there.

As people like you have been wont to point out, those Iraqis and Afghanistanis are not a credible threat to Americans living in America.

I would rather shoot people who are IN this country, endangering actual U.S. citizens domestically as they try to go about their peaceful lives.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I've got a question... Should something disruptive, during the President's State of the Union speech be allowed and covered under 'The First Amendment'?

As I said above, No. But this is where you have to look at this particular case and not let yourself get sucked into "the analogy game". If Sheehan (or for that matter Mrs Young) had simply sat there wearing that particular shirt and otherwise behaved herself, I personally don't think that would have disrupted the President's speech one iota.

No, except to turn attention away from the president and what he said, in the next day's media circus where all anyone can talk about is Cindy Sheehan and the message on the shirt she got away with wearing during the president's speech.

You don't think that the press would make a bigger story out of that than out of whatever Bush said in the speech? I do.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Do I think heckling the President during a speech should be allowed to go on for as long as the heckler wishes? No, but there are times when this happens (with any president) when I think it wouldn't kill them to let the heckler get out a couple sentences of free expression, and then gently escort him out (thereby demonstrating to the world, "this is how it's supposed to be done")...

How could this scenario possibly be managed? You'd have thousands of people, each wanting to get his/her entitlement to "just a sec" worth of heckling. And the speech would never happen.

The purpose of the speech BY someone is the speech BY that person -- NOT as a forum for opposing viewpoints. They can be made and expressed in coffeehouses, offices, newspaper editorials, on streetcorners... The speech is not the time to criticize the speech.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[akarunway 1]

"When the president, or anyone else, is speaking, it's your time to shut your trap and listen."

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FUCK THAT. this is supposed to be a FREE country. I'll say what the fuck I wanna say in front of you or anybody else

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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"When the president, or anyone else, is speaking, it's your time to shut your trap and listen."

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FUCK THAT. this is supposed to be a FREE country. I'll say what the fuck I wanna say in front of you or anybody else

Really? An absolute right, huh?

Why not go to your local airport and start jabbering about how you thought you might want to bring a bomb onto the plane but then decided not to.

Even that will get you arrested, charged, and imprisoned.

So much for your bravado about your absolute right to speak your mind anywhere and in front of anyone.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Sen.Blutarsky 0]

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FUCK THAT. this is supposed to be a FREE country. I'll say what the fuck I wanna say in front of you or anybody else

Then I look forward to seeing you at your convenience during court session in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit when I am seated at counsels table. I’ll be the one in the dark suit.

Come share with us your viewpoints on a broad range of topics. It’s a government proceeding after all, your tax dollars at work, you helped pay for it.

I promise I’ll try and wave to you as the US Marshalls drag your ass off to that cell you'll be sharing with Big Bad Leroy Brown, Baddest Man In The Whole Damn Town from the Southside of Chicago. I hear he likes dudes sporting tinfoil hats, so wear one if you have it.

Tip: if you should choose to don a tinfoil hat and enter the Dirksen Federal Building please observe you may experience some questioning from the government personnel operating those metal detectors on the ground floor by the vehicle barriers -- drop my name, "Senator Blutarsky," and feel free to say whatever the FUCK you wanna say to 'em but no need to remove the tinfoil hat, insist on your RIGHTS, heck, it's a FREE country after all and you should be allowed to dress how ever you want, man ...


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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Gee, uh, because "mouthing off" is not a crime unless it is accompanied by a refusal to obey a lawful order from a police officer.
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I've seen someone get arrested for mouthing off to a cop. It had nothing to do with refusal. Guy called the cop a f'n idiot in a non-threating manner (it was apparent he was annoyed but not angered).

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[unformed 0]

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"When the president, or anyone else, is speaking, it's your time to shut your trap and listen."

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FUCK THAT. this is supposed to be a FREE country. I'll say what the fuck I wanna say in front of you or anybody else

Yeah? Well if I'm ever speaking, I don't care what country this is, out of respect, you better shut your trap or you're going to be removed. I would expect any other speaker to demand attention from the listeners as well.

There's some things your mama should've taught you. RESPECT is the key word.

This has nothing to do with freedom.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Gee, uh, because "mouthing off" is not a crime unless it is accompanied by a refusal to obey a lawful order from a police officer.
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I've seen someone get arrested for mouthing off to a cop. It had nothing to do with refusal. Guy called the cop a f'n idiot in a non-threating manner (it was apparent he was annoyed but not angered).

You don't think I'm going to defend that, do you?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Some people seem to believe that if someone has something political to say, everyone has to just drop everything and pay attention to her.

Well I have a bulletin for such people: get in fuckin' line. LOTS of people have something to say. Doesn't mean you can just pick your time in the middle of someone else's dealie.


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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[kallend 1,625]

www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-01-sheehan-charges_x.htm

Now that it appears the police have admitted a wrongful arrest, I expect people will pay even more attention to her.

More and more like a police state with every passing day under this president.

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[GTAVercetti 0]

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damn that rap music.

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[stoneycase 0]

awww....too bad for jeffrey on this one. even the capitol police have given up...

"U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said an apology was made to Bill and Beverly Young, and the congressman has been told that Capitol officers will receive better training. He said they are operating under outdated guidance on House rules regarding demonstrations.

"Just wearing a T-shirt is not unlawful," Gainer said. Wearing a T-shirt and engaging in actions meant to draw attention to the shirt is against the law, he said, but neither woman was doing so"

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/01/sheehan.arrest/index.html

that's gotta hurt...i mean you're defending the actions of the police while the police chief is apologizing, insisting they need better training.

care to read further jeffrey?

"The officers made a good faith, but mistaken effort to enforce an old unwritten interpretation of the prohibitions about demonstrating in the Capitol,"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183514,00.html

Again, the only thing that really can hold *any* weight would be written policies on attire for the event. But...

"Rules dealing mainly with what people can bring and telling them to refrain from reading, writing, smoking, eating, drinking, applauding or taking photographs are outlined on the back of gallery passes given to tourists every day.

However, State of the Union guests don't receive any guidelines, Hanley said. "You would assume that if you were coming to an event like the State of the Union address you would be dressed in appropriate attire," she said."

It's just not your day, is it? Care to revise your statements about a T-shirt being inherently disruptive? How about the "respect is due" issue, want to revise that one as well?

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[wmw999 2,123]

Personally, I do think a T-shirt is really tacky at the State of the Union address or any other event like that. Particularly one designed to draw attention.

However, until I'm queen, that won't matter to anyone but me, will it.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[TrophyHusband 0]

seriously dude, why do you liberals continue to let that idiot woman continue to be your spokesperson? she isn't doing you any favors. are you guys so blinded by your bush hatred that you can't see that the only thing she has established is that you still have the right to be a moron? she is such an idiot that anyone who attaches themself to her or supports her is an idiot by proxy. you are not an idiot, please step away from the sheehan.

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