skydyvr 0 #126 June 7, 2005 QuoteWould you go take a UA if you were told to? If no why not? By who, my employer? As I mentioned earlier, I've submitted to pre-employment screens before because my desire to get the job outweighed my distaste for taking the test. Guess I'm a "sellout" in that regard. I believe employers have the right to test as a condition of employment. But I also believe people have the right to choose not to work for those employers based on personal principles. Where you are off track is in thinking that anyone who won't take a UA is automatically a druggie. It's just not the case, as several people on this forum have testified. I don't take drugs, but I'm not happy about having to prove it to potential employers. Ya dig? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #127 June 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou've stated twice in this thread that you've got absolutely no problem with authorities conducting warrantless searches in your home. This is a quote from a previous response earlier in this thread. QuoteNo one would be allowed to come to my home in an official capacity to just "Have a look around" without the proper documentation, "Proper documentation" being the key words. With the proper documentation, i have absolutely no probelm. As i said i have a lot of friends in law enforcement, and they visit me regularly, as my wife and i visit them as much. Neither them, or us have anything each other is not aware of, no big deal. That's pretty much the problem. Thirty years ago (actually, it was about 25), most citizens in the work place were not subject to what many of us consider unreasonable search and seizure. Times change. How bout if times changed and the constitution de jur says law enforcement could randomly knock on doors and search your home. I guess if you were born early in that period, you would accept that too. I'm truly saddened that you are unable to make the connection. As a society, we are all lessened by your (generalized 'your') lack of respect for what made this country wonderful. My observations from this thread topic and the responses that it drew from others surprised me. What i sensed was hostility that anybody with the thought anywhere near their mind to ask anyone to submit to a random ua is absolute BS. While i don't understand it, maybe i'm not supposed to. Then there were those of you who felt the same way for what ever your reason(s) I can only speak for my industry and my profession. As far as my sky diving activities are concrened i know who the people are doing things they shouldn't and i elect to stay away from these few and far between individuals. Your lack of understanding is contributing to the destruction of the principles this great country was founded upon ...congrats on the good work. In any event, i wish all here the best, regardless of who you are, where you stand on this issue. Thanks for everybody's participation. Now that, right there ...is funny! jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #128 June 7, 2005 QuoteLater, and please, find someone else to litigate with, i don't have the time for it. Thanks. Bye, I'll miss you! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #129 June 7, 2005 QuoteThere are several people in this threas alone that object that are not using. How are you missing this? Quote I dont know them, I only repeat what I have actually seen in the work place. If they refuse to give a UA why did they refuse? And please dont give me this "Why dont they trust me or innocent until proven guilty BS" Why would you refuse to give a UA at random. I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass here, far from it. I just want to know exactly why someone who is clean refuse to give one. I think it's funny when I get sent out to give one at random and it comes back clean. In my mind it's kinda like "There, are you happy"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #130 June 7, 2005 QuoteI dont know them, I only repeat what I have actually seen in the work place. In your industry, where you've a) already agreed to random UA, and b) literally hundreds of people's lives are at stake based on your work, I can see why you feel like you do. But that still doesn't mean that people who have problems with the whole UA issue are drug abusers. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #131 June 7, 2005 QuoteBut that still doesn't mean that people who have problems with the whole UA issue are drug abusers. Quote So why do they refuse to give a random UA. I guess I just dont get it. Like I said i'm not trying to be a hardhead here I just want to know why someone would risk there job for something that is soo stupid and takes very little effort. Maybe i'll never understand but please give me credit i'm trying!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #132 June 7, 2005 Quote***If my employer feels the need to randomly drug test me every so often because they don't trust me when I told them I don't use drugs, why did they hire me in the first place?*** Because I'm your employer not your friend. I dont know what you do at home. So if I want to know if your a coke head at home, thats how you do it with a UA. Why should my company know anything about what I do at home when it has absolutely no effect on my work ability? If something I do at home affects my ability to do my job, then address it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenfly00 0 #133 June 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteOk, we're beginning to build parameters. Let's say you have a job where you must demonstrate the ability to sit at a desk and move papers. Now, how bout if you were having some problems at home resulting in erectile dysfunction? Perhaps your concern over your limp noodle is creating some stress, anxiety and trouble sleeping? You seek medical attention for these problems. Would your employer have the right to this information on demand? Quote Ok, the examples I gave were directly proportional (hope I didnt use to big of a word there) to the job at hand. What does a limp noodle have to do with him doing his job? Nothing, by my estimation, but every time you submit to a drug test, are you not required to list all medication you are taking? If they have a list of your medications (viagra, in this case), they have a big chunk of your medical history. I'm just asking you if you feel your employer has the right to know you can't get it up at home? jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #134 June 7, 2005 Quote Well pot heads will say thats an invasion of there privacy also. What people do in their homes is their own business. Anyone that would show up at work under the influence and bitch about being tested is a f*cking idiot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craddock 0 #135 June 7, 2005 QuoteIf they refuse to give a UA why did they refuse? And please dont give me this "Why dont they trust me or innocent until proven guilty BS" Why would you refuse to give a UA at random. I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass here, far from it. I just want to know exactly why someone who is clean refuse to give one. Dude- people have been telling you. You refuse to listen Your question has been answered several times and you act like you have not read one response . That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #136 June 7, 2005 QuoteSo why do they refuse to give a random UA. I guess I just dont get it. I sense a thread in the throes of death. Your question has been addressed by several people here. There's only 5 million ways to say it's a personal privacy issue, and they've all been said. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #137 June 7, 2005 QuoteWhy should my company know anything about what I do at home when it has absolutely no effect on my work ability? QuoteBecause if your in a job that has any danger to it, what is the first thing that happens if there is an accident and OSHA shows up. They send you out for a drug test and they dont care if the weed is 25 days old in your system. You came up hot! Period. Another reason is something I posted earlier in the thread is insurance reasons also.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #138 June 7, 2005 QuoteI sense a thread in the throes of death. Your question has been addressed by several people here. Quote The only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #139 June 7, 2005 QuoteThe only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand! Since you work on commercial aircraft, it would be reasonable to suspect that you might sabotage one of them someday on behalf of a terrorist organization. I think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #140 June 7, 2005 QuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Quote They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #141 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them. To be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #142 June 8, 2005 QuoteTo be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Quote Thats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #143 June 8, 2005 QuoteThats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white. Perhaps people from my point of view have been around long enough to observe trends through time. 30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. My question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yourmomma 0 #144 June 8, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dangerous argument... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've got nothing to hide, why would you object to random warrantless searches of your home? Anyone who objects to a random warrantless search of their home must be a crook, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foolish remarks. Not worthy of reply. My grandmother was sent to camp, because it was demeaned that her being Jewish was a liability to not only any employer, but society as a whole. Judging people by what they MAY do and not their actions means fault & discursion from society can be justified at any level. That means... “your great aunt was bipolar-No job for you” “ we see that your mother smoked for the first 15 years of your life from these credit card receipts! Your possible predisposition to cancer disqualifies you from this position.> Sorry it’s an insurance thing!” If you don’t realize slopes are slippery it’s gona hurt a lot worse when you fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #145 June 8, 2005 FREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rwieder 0 #146 June 8, 2005 i ain't got but one thing to say.........HAH! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #147 June 8, 2005 QuoteMy question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? If you think cameras in my bedroom is a good comparison to you giving your employer a random UA then I can see that we can beat this thing to death and get nothing accomplished. However if the feds want to put a camera in my bedroom so they can see me spank the monkey, so beat it! It's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Quote30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. Quote Dont you think because the technology wasnt there to conduct the testing so easily. Hell DNA just came around in the last few years and look were it's taken people. People being put in prison were they belong. People being release because they were innocent and so on. Plus the known effects about drugs were not clearly known yet. Your generation was still getting stoned at woodstock. Now someone is gonna tell me Drugs are not that bad for you and all I have to say is Look at Ozzie Osborn. I have made my point you have made yours and I think I will leave this as it lies. It is obvious that we will never agree on our points and merits so before we piss each other off and start throwing bombs at each other I wish you a wonderful and sober goodnight.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #148 June 8, 2005 QuoteFREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote I still cant find where it says that I have the right to get baked whenever I want to and nobody can Judge Me about it. And if you want to know about freedom just go look up my military career at what I did to help freedom. It's all part of public records so if you want to take the time be my guess!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. 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skydyvr 0 #130 June 7, 2005 QuoteI dont know them, I only repeat what I have actually seen in the work place. In your industry, where you've a) already agreed to random UA, and b) literally hundreds of people's lives are at stake based on your work, I can see why you feel like you do. But that still doesn't mean that people who have problems with the whole UA issue are drug abusers. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #131 June 7, 2005 QuoteBut that still doesn't mean that people who have problems with the whole UA issue are drug abusers. Quote So why do they refuse to give a random UA. I guess I just dont get it. Like I said i'm not trying to be a hardhead here I just want to know why someone would risk there job for something that is soo stupid and takes very little effort. Maybe i'll never understand but please give me credit i'm trying!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #132 June 7, 2005 Quote***If my employer feels the need to randomly drug test me every so often because they don't trust me when I told them I don't use drugs, why did they hire me in the first place?*** Because I'm your employer not your friend. I dont know what you do at home. So if I want to know if your a coke head at home, thats how you do it with a UA. Why should my company know anything about what I do at home when it has absolutely no effect on my work ability? If something I do at home affects my ability to do my job, then address it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #132 June 7, 2005 Quote***If my employer feels the need to randomly drug test me every so often because they don't trust me when I told them I don't use drugs, why did they hire me in the first place?*** Because I'm your employer not your friend. I dont know what you do at home. So if I want to know if your a coke head at home, thats how you do it with a UA. Why should my company know anything about what I do at home when it has absolutely no effect on my work ability? If something I do at home affects my ability to do my job, then address it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #133 June 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteOk, we're beginning to build parameters. Let's say you have a job where you must demonstrate the ability to sit at a desk and move papers. Now, how bout if you were having some problems at home resulting in erectile dysfunction? Perhaps your concern over your limp noodle is creating some stress, anxiety and trouble sleeping? You seek medical attention for these problems. Would your employer have the right to this information on demand? Quote Ok, the examples I gave were directly proportional (hope I didnt use to big of a word there) to the job at hand. What does a limp noodle have to do with him doing his job? Nothing, by my estimation, but every time you submit to a drug test, are you not required to list all medication you are taking? If they have a list of your medications (viagra, in this case), they have a big chunk of your medical history. I'm just asking you if you feel your employer has the right to know you can't get it up at home? jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #134 June 7, 2005 Quote Well pot heads will say thats an invasion of there privacy also. What people do in their homes is their own business. Anyone that would show up at work under the influence and bitch about being tested is a f*cking idiot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craddock 0 #135 June 7, 2005 QuoteIf they refuse to give a UA why did they refuse? And please dont give me this "Why dont they trust me or innocent until proven guilty BS" Why would you refuse to give a UA at random. I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass here, far from it. I just want to know exactly why someone who is clean refuse to give one. Dude- people have been telling you. You refuse to listen Your question has been answered several times and you act like you have not read one response . That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #136 June 7, 2005 QuoteSo why do they refuse to give a random UA. I guess I just dont get it. I sense a thread in the throes of death. Your question has been addressed by several people here. There's only 5 million ways to say it's a personal privacy issue, and they've all been said. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #137 June 7, 2005 QuoteWhy should my company know anything about what I do at home when it has absolutely no effect on my work ability? QuoteBecause if your in a job that has any danger to it, what is the first thing that happens if there is an accident and OSHA shows up. They send you out for a drug test and they dont care if the weed is 25 days old in your system. You came up hot! Period. Another reason is something I posted earlier in the thread is insurance reasons also.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #138 June 7, 2005 QuoteI sense a thread in the throes of death. Your question has been addressed by several people here. Quote The only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #139 June 7, 2005 QuoteThe only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand! Since you work on commercial aircraft, it would be reasonable to suspect that you might sabotage one of them someday on behalf of a terrorist organization. I think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #140 June 7, 2005 QuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Quote They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #141 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them. To be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #142 June 8, 2005 QuoteTo be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Quote Thats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #143 June 8, 2005 QuoteThats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white. Perhaps people from my point of view have been around long enough to observe trends through time. 30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. My question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yourmomma 0 #144 June 8, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dangerous argument... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've got nothing to hide, why would you object to random warrantless searches of your home? Anyone who objects to a random warrantless search of their home must be a crook, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foolish remarks. Not worthy of reply. My grandmother was sent to camp, because it was demeaned that her being Jewish was a liability to not only any employer, but society as a whole. Judging people by what they MAY do and not their actions means fault & discursion from society can be justified at any level. That means... “your great aunt was bipolar-No job for you” “ we see that your mother smoked for the first 15 years of your life from these credit card receipts! Your possible predisposition to cancer disqualifies you from this position.> Sorry it’s an insurance thing!” If you don’t realize slopes are slippery it’s gona hurt a lot worse when you fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #145 June 8, 2005 FREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rwieder 0 #146 June 8, 2005 i ain't got but one thing to say.........HAH! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #147 June 8, 2005 QuoteMy question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? If you think cameras in my bedroom is a good comparison to you giving your employer a random UA then I can see that we can beat this thing to death and get nothing accomplished. However if the feds want to put a camera in my bedroom so they can see me spank the monkey, so beat it! It's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Quote30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. Quote Dont you think because the technology wasnt there to conduct the testing so easily. Hell DNA just came around in the last few years and look were it's taken people. People being put in prison were they belong. People being release because they were innocent and so on. Plus the known effects about drugs were not clearly known yet. Your generation was still getting stoned at woodstock. Now someone is gonna tell me Drugs are not that bad for you and all I have to say is Look at Ozzie Osborn. I have made my point you have made yours and I think I will leave this as it lies. It is obvious that we will never agree on our points and merits so before we piss each other off and start throwing bombs at each other I wish you a wonderful and sober goodnight.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #148 June 8, 2005 QuoteFREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote I still cant find where it says that I have the right to get baked whenever I want to and nobody can Judge Me about it. And if you want to know about freedom just go look up my military career at what I did to help freedom. It's all part of public records so if you want to take the time be my guess!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. So who really cares.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
justinb138 0 #134 June 7, 2005 Quote Well pot heads will say thats an invasion of there privacy also. What people do in their homes is their own business. Anyone that would show up at work under the influence and bitch about being tested is a f*cking idiot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #135 June 7, 2005 QuoteIf they refuse to give a UA why did they refuse? And please dont give me this "Why dont they trust me or innocent until proven guilty BS" Why would you refuse to give a UA at random. I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass here, far from it. I just want to know exactly why someone who is clean refuse to give one. Dude- people have been telling you. You refuse to listen Your question has been answered several times and you act like you have not read one response . That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #136 June 7, 2005 QuoteSo why do they refuse to give a random UA. I guess I just dont get it. I sense a thread in the throes of death. Your question has been addressed by several people here. There's only 5 million ways to say it's a personal privacy issue, and they've all been said. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #137 June 7, 2005 QuoteWhy should my company know anything about what I do at home when it has absolutely no effect on my work ability? QuoteBecause if your in a job that has any danger to it, what is the first thing that happens if there is an accident and OSHA shows up. They send you out for a drug test and they dont care if the weed is 25 days old in your system. You came up hot! Period. Another reason is something I posted earlier in the thread is insurance reasons also.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #138 June 7, 2005 QuoteI sense a thread in the throes of death. Your question has been addressed by several people here. Quote The only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #139 June 7, 2005 QuoteThe only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand! Since you work on commercial aircraft, it would be reasonable to suspect that you might sabotage one of them someday on behalf of a terrorist organization. I think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #140 June 7, 2005 QuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Quote They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #141 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them. To be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #142 June 8, 2005 QuoteTo be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Quote Thats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #143 June 8, 2005 QuoteThats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white. Perhaps people from my point of view have been around long enough to observe trends through time. 30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. My question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yourmomma 0 #144 June 8, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dangerous argument... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've got nothing to hide, why would you object to random warrantless searches of your home? Anyone who objects to a random warrantless search of their home must be a crook, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foolish remarks. Not worthy of reply. My grandmother was sent to camp, because it was demeaned that her being Jewish was a liability to not only any employer, but society as a whole. Judging people by what they MAY do and not their actions means fault & discursion from society can be justified at any level. That means... “your great aunt was bipolar-No job for you” “ we see that your mother smoked for the first 15 years of your life from these credit card receipts! Your possible predisposition to cancer disqualifies you from this position.> Sorry it’s an insurance thing!” If you don’t realize slopes are slippery it’s gona hurt a lot worse when you fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #145 June 8, 2005 FREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rwieder 0 #146 June 8, 2005 i ain't got but one thing to say.........HAH! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #147 June 8, 2005 QuoteMy question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? If you think cameras in my bedroom is a good comparison to you giving your employer a random UA then I can see that we can beat this thing to death and get nothing accomplished. However if the feds want to put a camera in my bedroom so they can see me spank the monkey, so beat it! It's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Quote30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. Quote Dont you think because the technology wasnt there to conduct the testing so easily. Hell DNA just came around in the last few years and look were it's taken people. People being put in prison were they belong. People being release because they were innocent and so on. Plus the known effects about drugs were not clearly known yet. Your generation was still getting stoned at woodstock. Now someone is gonna tell me Drugs are not that bad for you and all I have to say is Look at Ozzie Osborn. I have made my point you have made yours and I think I will leave this as it lies. It is obvious that we will never agree on our points and merits so before we piss each other off and start throwing bombs at each other I wish you a wonderful and sober goodnight.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #148 June 8, 2005 QuoteFREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote I still cant find where it says that I have the right to get baked whenever I want to and nobody can Judge Me about it. And if you want to know about freedom just go look up my military career at what I did to help freedom. It's all part of public records so if you want to take the time be my guess!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. So who really cares.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Rookie120 0 #138 June 7, 2005 QuoteI sense a thread in the throes of death. Your question has been addressed by several people here. Quote The only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #139 June 7, 2005 QuoteThe only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand! Since you work on commercial aircraft, it would be reasonable to suspect that you might sabotage one of them someday on behalf of a terrorist organization. I think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #140 June 7, 2005 QuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Quote They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #141 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them. To be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #142 June 8, 2005 QuoteTo be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Quote Thats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #143 June 8, 2005 QuoteThats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white. Perhaps people from my point of view have been around long enough to observe trends through time. 30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. My question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yourmomma 0 #144 June 8, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dangerous argument... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've got nothing to hide, why would you object to random warrantless searches of your home? Anyone who objects to a random warrantless search of their home must be a crook, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foolish remarks. Not worthy of reply. My grandmother was sent to camp, because it was demeaned that her being Jewish was a liability to not only any employer, but society as a whole. Judging people by what they MAY do and not their actions means fault & discursion from society can be justified at any level. That means... “your great aunt was bipolar-No job for you” “ we see that your mother smoked for the first 15 years of your life from these credit card receipts! Your possible predisposition to cancer disqualifies you from this position.> Sorry it’s an insurance thing!” If you don’t realize slopes are slippery it’s gona hurt a lot worse when you fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #145 June 8, 2005 FREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rwieder 0 #146 June 8, 2005 i ain't got but one thing to say.........HAH! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #147 June 8, 2005 QuoteMy question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? If you think cameras in my bedroom is a good comparison to you giving your employer a random UA then I can see that we can beat this thing to death and get nothing accomplished. However if the feds want to put a camera in my bedroom so they can see me spank the monkey, so beat it! It's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Quote30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. Quote Dont you think because the technology wasnt there to conduct the testing so easily. Hell DNA just came around in the last few years and look were it's taken people. People being put in prison were they belong. People being release because they were innocent and so on. Plus the known effects about drugs were not clearly known yet. Your generation was still getting stoned at woodstock. Now someone is gonna tell me Drugs are not that bad for you and all I have to say is Look at Ozzie Osborn. I have made my point you have made yours and I think I will leave this as it lies. It is obvious that we will never agree on our points and merits so before we piss each other off and start throwing bombs at each other I wish you a wonderful and sober goodnight.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #148 June 8, 2005 QuoteFREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote I still cant find where it says that I have the right to get baked whenever I want to and nobody can Judge Me about it. And if you want to know about freedom just go look up my military career at what I did to help freedom. It's all part of public records so if you want to take the time be my guess!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. 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skydyvr 0 #139 June 7, 2005 QuoteThe only thing I keep hearing is "it's invasion of my privacy and Innocent until proven guily" Is that the best you can come up with. If it is then I will never listen or understand! Since you work on commercial aircraft, it would be reasonable to suspect that you might sabotage one of them someday on behalf of a terrorist organization. I think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #140 June 7, 2005 QuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. Quote They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #141 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them. To be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #142 June 8, 2005 QuoteTo be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Quote Thats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #143 June 8, 2005 QuoteThats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white. Perhaps people from my point of view have been around long enough to observe trends through time. 30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. My question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yourmomma 0 #144 June 8, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dangerous argument... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've got nothing to hide, why would you object to random warrantless searches of your home? Anyone who objects to a random warrantless search of their home must be a crook, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foolish remarks. Not worthy of reply. My grandmother was sent to camp, because it was demeaned that her being Jewish was a liability to not only any employer, but society as a whole. Judging people by what they MAY do and not their actions means fault & discursion from society can be justified at any level. That means... “your great aunt was bipolar-No job for you” “ we see that your mother smoked for the first 15 years of your life from these credit card receipts! Your possible predisposition to cancer disqualifies you from this position.> Sorry it’s an insurance thing!” If you don’t realize slopes are slippery it’s gona hurt a lot worse when you fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #145 June 8, 2005 FREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rwieder 0 #146 June 8, 2005 i ain't got but one thing to say.........HAH! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #147 June 8, 2005 QuoteMy question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? If you think cameras in my bedroom is a good comparison to you giving your employer a random UA then I can see that we can beat this thing to death and get nothing accomplished. However if the feds want to put a camera in my bedroom so they can see me spank the monkey, so beat it! It's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Quote30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. Quote Dont you think because the technology wasnt there to conduct the testing so easily. Hell DNA just came around in the last few years and look were it's taken people. People being put in prison were they belong. People being release because they were innocent and so on. Plus the known effects about drugs were not clearly known yet. Your generation was still getting stoned at woodstock. Now someone is gonna tell me Drugs are not that bad for you and all I have to say is Look at Ozzie Osborn. I have made my point you have made yours and I think I will leave this as it lies. It is obvious that we will never agree on our points and merits so before we piss each other off and start throwing bombs at each other I wish you a wonderful and sober goodnight.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #148 June 8, 2005 QuoteFREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote I still cant find where it says that I have the right to get baked whenever I want to and nobody can Judge Me about it. And if you want to know about freedom just go look up my military career at what I did to help freedom. It's all part of public records so if you want to take the time be my guess!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. 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skydyvr 0 #141 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think the FAA should be allowed to scrutinize your home, your car, your past, and your social relationships whenever they want. They already have. All except my home, well they confirmed my homes for the last 10 years so I could get clearance and my Cita badge. But my car? I dont know what they would do with a Ford Ranger but if they wanted to look at it, more power to them. To be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Got any problem with that? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #142 June 8, 2005 QuoteTo be extra sure you're clean, the FAA wants to setup surveilance cameras in your home, even though they'll only review the tapes on a random basis. The cameras won't take up much room. Quote Thats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #143 June 8, 2005 QuoteThats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white. Perhaps people from my point of view have been around long enough to observe trends through time. 30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. My question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yourmomma 0 #144 June 8, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dangerous argument... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've got nothing to hide, why would you object to random warrantless searches of your home? Anyone who objects to a random warrantless search of their home must be a crook, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foolish remarks. Not worthy of reply. My grandmother was sent to camp, because it was demeaned that her being Jewish was a liability to not only any employer, but society as a whole. Judging people by what they MAY do and not their actions means fault & discursion from society can be justified at any level. That means... “your great aunt was bipolar-No job for you” “ we see that your mother smoked for the first 15 years of your life from these credit card receipts! Your possible predisposition to cancer disqualifies you from this position.> Sorry it’s an insurance thing!” If you don’t realize slopes are slippery it’s gona hurt a lot worse when you fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #145 June 8, 2005 FREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rwieder 0 #146 June 8, 2005 i ain't got but one thing to say.........HAH! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #147 June 8, 2005 QuoteMy question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? If you think cameras in my bedroom is a good comparison to you giving your employer a random UA then I can see that we can beat this thing to death and get nothing accomplished. However if the feds want to put a camera in my bedroom so they can see me spank the monkey, so beat it! It's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Quote30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. Quote Dont you think because the technology wasnt there to conduct the testing so easily. Hell DNA just came around in the last few years and look were it's taken people. People being put in prison were they belong. People being release because they were innocent and so on. Plus the known effects about drugs were not clearly known yet. Your generation was still getting stoned at woodstock. Now someone is gonna tell me Drugs are not that bad for you and all I have to say is Look at Ozzie Osborn. I have made my point you have made yours and I think I will leave this as it lies. It is obvious that we will never agree on our points and merits so before we piss each other off and start throwing bombs at each other I wish you a wonderful and sober goodnight.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #148 June 8, 2005 QuoteFREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote I still cant find where it says that I have the right to get baked whenever I want to and nobody can Judge Me about it. And if you want to know about freedom just go look up my military career at what I did to help freedom. It's all part of public records so if you want to take the time be my guess!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. So who really cares.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
skydyvr 0 #143 June 8, 2005 QuoteThats a little far fetched from giving a Random UA. This is how people from your point of view try to make it look bad with an example like that. The deifference to me is black and white. Perhaps people from my point of view have been around long enough to observe trends through time. 30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. My question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yourmomma 0 #144 June 8, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dangerous argument... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've got nothing to hide, why would you object to random warrantless searches of your home? Anyone who objects to a random warrantless search of their home must be a crook, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Foolish remarks. Not worthy of reply. My grandmother was sent to camp, because it was demeaned that her being Jewish was a liability to not only any employer, but society as a whole. Judging people by what they MAY do and not their actions means fault & discursion from society can be justified at any level. That means... “your great aunt was bipolar-No job for you” “ we see that your mother smoked for the first 15 years of your life from these credit card receipts! Your possible predisposition to cancer disqualifies you from this position.> Sorry it’s an insurance thing!” If you don’t realize slopes are slippery it’s gona hurt a lot worse when you fall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkc1436 3 #145 June 8, 2005 FREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #146 June 8, 2005 i ain't got but one thing to say.........HAH! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #147 June 8, 2005 QuoteMy question about cameras isn't as far fetched as you think -- why not answer it? If you think cameras in my bedroom is a good comparison to you giving your employer a random UA then I can see that we can beat this thing to death and get nothing accomplished. However if the feds want to put a camera in my bedroom so they can see me spank the monkey, so beat it! It's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Quote30 years ago, the notion of people pissing into cups on demand would've been considered absurd. Now, a lot of people think it's just fine and dandy. Quote Dont you think because the technology wasnt there to conduct the testing so easily. Hell DNA just came around in the last few years and look were it's taken people. People being put in prison were they belong. People being release because they were innocent and so on. Plus the known effects about drugs were not clearly known yet. Your generation was still getting stoned at woodstock. Now someone is gonna tell me Drugs are not that bad for you and all I have to say is Look at Ozzie Osborn. I have made my point you have made yours and I think I will leave this as it lies. It is obvious that we will never agree on our points and merits so before we piss each other off and start throwing bombs at each other I wish you a wonderful and sober goodnight.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #148 June 8, 2005 QuoteFREEDOM i know it's a big word, and it's used a few times in the CONSTITUTION but maybe you look up the definition sometime. Quote I still cant find where it says that I have the right to get baked whenever I want to and nobody can Judge Me about it. And if you want to know about freedom just go look up my military career at what I did to help freedom. It's all part of public records so if you want to take the time be my guess!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. So who really cares.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
unformed 0 #149 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt's never gonna happen so I dont have to worry about it. Here's a start. http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml Of course, I already know your reply.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #150 June 8, 2005 QuoteOf course, I already know your reply. Quote Dont know about that. I thought we were talking about UA. And unless your a Sex Offender what do you have to worry about. Plus the cameras were in Public buildings. So who really cares.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
