jlmiracle 7 #26 April 19, 2005 American Heritage Dictionary has a definition of a Christian as one who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the live and teachings of Jesus. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #27 April 19, 2005 Quote Dave - in your opinion what is a "true" Christian? Damned if I know, I quit trying to find out after I got incredibly tired of dealing with religious people. I'm sure if we could talk to Paul (Saul) then we could find out what the true chuch was and was supposed to be. Until we get a chance to ask him, then you'll just have to read his letters to the various churches of the day. What I'm saying is church tradition overtaking christian values wasn't in the New Testiment.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #28 April 19, 2005 QuoteQuote Dave - in your opinion what is a "true" Christian? Damned if I know, I quit trying to find out after I got incredibly tired of dealing with religious people. I'm sure if we could talk to Paul (Saul) then we could find out what the true chuch was and was supposed to be. Until we get a chance to ask him, then you'll just have to read his letters to the various churches of the day. What I'm saying is church tradition overtaking christian values wasn't in the New Testiment. That's sexist. You need to talk to Mary Magdalen... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #29 April 19, 2005 QuoteThat's sexist. You need to talk to Mary Magdalen Or perhaps her daughter,Sarah........Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #30 April 19, 2005 QuoteCardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany elected Pope Becomes Benedict the XVI FYI Has anyone here already mentioned the fact that this guy is 78 years old? Why don't they pick somone a bit younger? He's already past the average lifespan for a man. Just doesn't make much sense to me. Average lifespans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #31 April 19, 2005 what about peter? oh wait, he's busy at the gate. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #32 April 19, 2005 I believe they wanted a shorter papacy to follow such a long one. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #33 April 19, 2005 QuoteI believe they wanted a shorter papacy to follow such a long one. I guess that's one way to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #34 April 19, 2005 QuoteJust doesn't make much sense to me Nope doesnt. Much of what the church has done last few years makes very little sense to me. Just take a look at how they handled the child sex abuse issue. Some have said he might be a transitional Pope, that could be it, but seeing as how JPII appointed most of the College who knows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #35 April 19, 2005 I don't buy the "they" thingie. Ratzinger was probably the most influential figure in the room. I doubt he lobbied to have himself elected on a "I'll be quiet, barely relevant, and gone pretty quickly" platform. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #36 April 19, 2005 QuoteNope doesnt. Much of what the Catholic church has done last few years makes very little sense to me. Just take a look at how they handled the child sex abuse issue. I agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #37 April 19, 2005 I'm both pleased and disappointed with the choice of pope. I'm pleased because he's not italian. JPII was the first non-italian pope in 400 years, and if they went back to an italian pope at this point, it would be many years before another country got a chance again for fear of breaking tradition. JPII would have been looked back on as an anomaly, and it would be much harder to break the tradition again. Benedict XVI is German, which does demonstrate a bit of change in the church. However, I think Benedict is going to be repeating the same stuff that JPII was, and there will be no change in the church. I'm disappointed in this, because when something ceases to change, it usually dies. Many people now (myself included) have a very hard time relating to the church.because it is so far removed from our reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #38 April 19, 2005 How would you like to see it change? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #39 April 19, 2005 QuoteHowever, I think Benedict is going to be repeating the same stuff that JPII was, and there will be no change in the church. I'm disappointed in this, because when something ceases to change, it usually dies. Many people now (myself included) have a very hard time relating to the church.because it is so far removed from our reality. CNN is reporting that Benedict was the right hand of JPII, and followed many of his beliefs. He's stand on gays, abortion, and women in the priesthood are the same as JPII. Benedict said that he will follow those stands and if it means a decline in the numbers of people in the church, so be it. May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #40 April 19, 2005 QuoteCNN is reporting that Benedict was the right hand of JPII, and followed many of his beliefs. He's stand on gays, abortion, and women in the priesthood are the same as JPII. Benedict said that he will follow those stands and if it means a decline in the numbers of people in the church, so be it. You would WANT the church to bend to society?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #41 April 19, 2005 QuoteYou would WANT the church to bend to society? Don't care about the church myself. But doing so (and I would use "adapt" rather than "bend") would allow the Catholic faith to possibly make it to the 22nd Century. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #42 April 19, 2005 QuoteDon't care about the church myself. But doing so (and I would use "adapt" rather than "bend") would allow the Catholic faith to possibly make it to the 22nd Century. Do you think the church should adapt to society when it against the writtings of the Church?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #43 April 19, 2005 Quote Or, continuing that line of thought you could say that your average white male represents all of America, when in fact that stereotype is far from representing it. However, there are more average white males in the US then any others, right? I think you will find that the greatest plurality of Americans are actually white females. They are not a majority. If you drop the gender, are most Americans still white? Can you say that white Americans represent America better than any other group (that would be the more accurate comparison)? Judging by the government, press or this forum, I would have to say 'yes they certainly do.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #44 April 19, 2005 QuoteDo you think the church should adapt to society when it against the writtings of the Church? The Catholic church has changed its "writings" many times in the passed. Admitting that the earth was round was a breakthrough; that blacks may possibly have a soul was another crowd favorite. Being threatened to be burned at the stake by the Church for Heresy for claiming that the earth was round looks pretty comical with hindsight... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #45 April 19, 2005 I don't attend church anymore. After having it forced down my throat till I moved out of my parents' house, I have found peace within myself.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #46 April 19, 2005 QuoteAfter having it forced down my throat till I moved out of my parents' house, I have found peace within myself. Man, what a common happening. Add me to that list.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #47 April 19, 2005 Even JPII said a couple of years ago that this guy Darwin had some interesting ideas. Who knows, maybe history will remember him as on of the more progressive popes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,147 #48 April 19, 2005 Joey the Rat, not a bad name for a pope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #49 April 19, 2005 So thats a yes? You would rather the Church try to be "popular" than moral?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,147 #50 April 19, 2005 QuoteYou would rather the Church try to be "popular" than moral? Yeah exactly, nothing like claiming to be moral and treating women like second class citizens all at the same time........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 16 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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pajarito 0 #30 April 19, 2005 QuoteCardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany elected Pope Becomes Benedict the XVI FYI Has anyone here already mentioned the fact that this guy is 78 years old? Why don't they pick somone a bit younger? He's already past the average lifespan for a man. Just doesn't make much sense to me. Average lifespans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #31 April 19, 2005 what about peter? oh wait, he's busy at the gate. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #32 April 19, 2005 I believe they wanted a shorter papacy to follow such a long one. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #33 April 19, 2005 QuoteI believe they wanted a shorter papacy to follow such a long one. I guess that's one way to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #34 April 19, 2005 QuoteJust doesn't make much sense to me Nope doesnt. Much of what the church has done last few years makes very little sense to me. Just take a look at how they handled the child sex abuse issue. Some have said he might be a transitional Pope, that could be it, but seeing as how JPII appointed most of the College who knows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #35 April 19, 2005 I don't buy the "they" thingie. Ratzinger was probably the most influential figure in the room. I doubt he lobbied to have himself elected on a "I'll be quiet, barely relevant, and gone pretty quickly" platform. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #36 April 19, 2005 QuoteNope doesnt. Much of what the Catholic church has done last few years makes very little sense to me. Just take a look at how they handled the child sex abuse issue. I agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #37 April 19, 2005 I'm both pleased and disappointed with the choice of pope. I'm pleased because he's not italian. JPII was the first non-italian pope in 400 years, and if they went back to an italian pope at this point, it would be many years before another country got a chance again for fear of breaking tradition. JPII would have been looked back on as an anomaly, and it would be much harder to break the tradition again. Benedict XVI is German, which does demonstrate a bit of change in the church. However, I think Benedict is going to be repeating the same stuff that JPII was, and there will be no change in the church. I'm disappointed in this, because when something ceases to change, it usually dies. Many people now (myself included) have a very hard time relating to the church.because it is so far removed from our reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #38 April 19, 2005 How would you like to see it change? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #39 April 19, 2005 QuoteHowever, I think Benedict is going to be repeating the same stuff that JPII was, and there will be no change in the church. I'm disappointed in this, because when something ceases to change, it usually dies. Many people now (myself included) have a very hard time relating to the church.because it is so far removed from our reality. CNN is reporting that Benedict was the right hand of JPII, and followed many of his beliefs. He's stand on gays, abortion, and women in the priesthood are the same as JPII. Benedict said that he will follow those stands and if it means a decline in the numbers of people in the church, so be it. May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #40 April 19, 2005 QuoteCNN is reporting that Benedict was the right hand of JPII, and followed many of his beliefs. He's stand on gays, abortion, and women in the priesthood are the same as JPII. Benedict said that he will follow those stands and if it means a decline in the numbers of people in the church, so be it. You would WANT the church to bend to society?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #41 April 19, 2005 QuoteYou would WANT the church to bend to society? Don't care about the church myself. But doing so (and I would use "adapt" rather than "bend") would allow the Catholic faith to possibly make it to the 22nd Century. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #42 April 19, 2005 QuoteDon't care about the church myself. But doing so (and I would use "adapt" rather than "bend") would allow the Catholic faith to possibly make it to the 22nd Century. Do you think the church should adapt to society when it against the writtings of the Church?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #43 April 19, 2005 Quote Or, continuing that line of thought you could say that your average white male represents all of America, when in fact that stereotype is far from representing it. However, there are more average white males in the US then any others, right? I think you will find that the greatest plurality of Americans are actually white females. They are not a majority. If you drop the gender, are most Americans still white? Can you say that white Americans represent America better than any other group (that would be the more accurate comparison)? Judging by the government, press or this forum, I would have to say 'yes they certainly do.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #44 April 19, 2005 QuoteDo you think the church should adapt to society when it against the writtings of the Church? The Catholic church has changed its "writings" many times in the passed. Admitting that the earth was round was a breakthrough; that blacks may possibly have a soul was another crowd favorite. Being threatened to be burned at the stake by the Church for Heresy for claiming that the earth was round looks pretty comical with hindsight... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #45 April 19, 2005 I don't attend church anymore. After having it forced down my throat till I moved out of my parents' house, I have found peace within myself.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 April 19, 2005 QuoteAfter having it forced down my throat till I moved out of my parents' house, I have found peace within myself. Man, what a common happening. Add me to that list.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #47 April 19, 2005 Even JPII said a couple of years ago that this guy Darwin had some interesting ideas. Who knows, maybe history will remember him as on of the more progressive popes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,147 #48 April 19, 2005 Joey the Rat, not a bad name for a pope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #49 April 19, 2005 So thats a yes? You would rather the Church try to be "popular" than moral?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,147 #50 April 19, 2005 QuoteYou would rather the Church try to be "popular" than moral? Yeah exactly, nothing like claiming to be moral and treating women like second class citizens all at the same time........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
