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But what to do about it? There doesn't seem to be a simple answer for that....
How about having a look on attachment, f.e.?
That's a really long document... Can you point me to the "simple answer" in there?
The easiest way would be to enter the White House and ask the Big Chefe why he did not sign that paper/join. I cannot give a "simple answer", this should be done by somehone else.
Oh wait, I know another simple answer: Just try! Yep. Try to do a change. There are so many countries trying...
PS: You do not really expect to get any "simple answer" on that worldwide issue?
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JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteIsn't is great that we keep cutting pollution standards in this country?
How much more do you think we should be spending on pollution control, and from where would you get the money?
Ah, you won me over with your strong counterpoint. We should just ignore it and move on. I shouldn't care about the generations that will come after me. In fact, we should get rid of the EPA and allow factories and cars to push out as much junk as they want so the factory owners can make more money.![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]")
If you want something to be an obstacle you will always find an excuse.
You didn't answer the question.
Are you willing to pay $10 per gallon for gas? $500 per month for your electric bill?
Money is not infinite. There's only so much of it to go around. If you want to spend more on one thing, then there is less for other things.
So should the government take money away from Veteran's care and give it to the EPA? How about medical care for the elderly and poor?
My question remains for you to answer: How much more do you think we should be spending on pollution control, and from where would you get the money?
JohnRich 4
Quoteif you continue to put profit before people, there never will be any money.....that's capitalism baby.
If you put unrealistic pollution standards above all else, there will be no profits, and therefore no jobs, and insufficient energy production to satisfy needs, destroying the economy. This is why Ron is talking about "balance".
We could all go back to living in caves and huddle around campfires.
No wait, there aren't enough caves anymore to hold all of us, and campfires destroy precious trees and spew wood smoke into the atmosphere...
You can read up on why the Kyoto Treaty is a wonderful Idea for the US.
We have people in this country that bitch and moan because jobs go over seas.... What happens when our agriculture all heads over seas too?
Some how I am sure someone in here will blame it on Bush though...
http://www.heartland.org/archives/studies/gwag-ps.htm
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We have people in this country that bitch and moan because jobs go over seas.... What happens when our agriculture all heads over seas too?
Some how I am sure someone in here will blame it on Bush though...
QuoteHow much is at stake? We estimate that compliance with the Protocol would increase U.S. farm production expenses between $10 and $20 billion per year and decrease farm income by 24 to 48 percent. The Kyoto Protocol, all by itself, could cost the average farmer between one-quarter and one-half of his or her annual income.
http://www.heartland.org/archives/studies/gwag-ps.htm
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JohnRich 4
QuoteThe easiest way would be to enter the White House and ask the Big Chefe why he did not sign that paper/join. I cannot give a "simple answer", this should be done by somehone else.
Maybe you can't give a simple answer because you don't know it.
The tiniest little bit of research would reveal what the "Big Chefe" (sic) thinks of the Koyoto Protocol:
"I oppose the Kyoto Protocol because it exempts 80 percent of the world, including major population centers such as China and India, from compliance, and would cause serious harm to the U.S. economy. The Senate's vote, 95-0, shows that there is a clear consensus that the Kyoto Protocol is an unfair and ineffective means of addressing global climate change concerns."Source: White House Press Release
JohnRich 4
QuoteWe have people in this country that bitch and moan because jobs go over seas.... What happens when our agriculture all heads over seas too?
Yes. If there is one thing we should not outsource, it is our food.
Hi All,
Concerning the Environment..... it's a bigger problem than any of..... Mr Bush/Blair/Party A/Party B .... It's a Planet Wide problem and needs to be addressed on a planet wide basis..... Kyoto may not be the best or final forum for the work that needs to be done .... but it's a start..... Burying your head in the sand is NOT AN OPTION.
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Concerning the Environment..... it's a bigger problem than any of..... Mr Bush/Blair/Party A/Party B .... It's a Planet Wide problem and needs to be addressed on a planet wide basis..... Kyoto may not be the best or final forum for the work that needs to be done .... but it's a start..... Burying your head in the sand is NOT AN OPTION.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Maybe you can't give a simple answer because you don't know it.
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Exactly that. As I am not the specialist on it, I see no other choice than trusting in all the folks trying to reduce pollion by whatever is needed.
I do not mind what he said, your Big Chief. He simply is telling fine camouflaged lies like all politicians on irksome biz in order to avoid any losses in .. how to say ... making profit? Simple said. (I'm too polite tdy)
We all know the statistics about pollution. These are facts printed black on white.
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Exactly that. As I am not the specialist on it, I see no other choice than trusting in all the folks trying to reduce pollion by whatever is needed.
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The tiniest little bit of research would reveal what the "Big Chefe" (sic) thinks of the Koyoto Protocol:"I oppose the Kyoto Protocol because it exempts 80 percent of the world, including major population centers such as China and India, from compliance, and would cause serious harm to the U.S. economy. The Senate's vote, 95-0, shows that there is a clear consensus that the Kyoto Protocol is an unfair and ineffective means of addressing global climate change concerns."Source: White House Press Release
I do not mind what he said, your Big Chief. He simply is telling fine camouflaged lies like all politicians on irksome biz in order to avoid any losses in .. how to say ... making profit? Simple said. (I'm too polite tdy)
We all know the statistics about pollution. These are facts printed black on white.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Sshhhh! Given GOP control of Congress and the White House, the only threats we should be talking about with regard to unborn children are drugs and abortions. Pollution is the gay uncle Larry whose very name shouldn't even come up at family gatherings.
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QuoteThe tiniest little bit of research would reveal what the "Big Chefe" (sic) thinks of the Koyoto Protocol:
"I oppose the Kyoto Protocol because it exempts 80 percent of the world, including major population centers such as China and India, from compliance, and would cause serious harm to the U.S. economy. The Senate's vote, 95-0, shows that there is a clear consensus that the Kyoto Protocol is an unfair and ineffective means of addressing global climate change concerns."Source: White House Press Release
This is the two year olds argument - "they don't have to stand in the corner why should I?"
Whats wrong with standing up and taking the lead on something that would beneficially affect everyone equally? So we don't sign and watch with the other kids as other nations take a leading role in solving the worlds problems.
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JohnRich 4
QuoteMe: Maybe you can't give a simple answer because you don't know it.
You: Exactly that. As I am not the specialist on it, I see no other choice than trusting in all the folks trying to reduce pollion by whatever is needed.
I do not mind what he said, your Big Chief. He simply is telling fine camouflaged lies like all politicians on irksome biz in order to avoid any losses in .. how to say ... making profit?
We all know the statistics about pollution. These are facts printed black on white.
Now that was an interesting response.
You admit you don't know the details about the Koyoto protocol, yet you jump to the conclusion that the U.S. is wrong for not joining it. And you also jump to trust the people whose opinions fit your own, even though you've done no research to confirm their validity.
And you automatically assume that Bush is lying for a profit motive, while once again accepting without question so-called statistical pollution facts.
It's clear to me that your scientific method of analysis is lacking. All you're doing is believing in the things that you want to believe, and discarding everything else, regardless of facts.
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuote"I oppose the Kyoto Protocol because it exempts 80 percent of the world, including major population centers such as China and India, from compliance, and would cause serious harm to the U.S. economy. The Senate's vote, 95-0, shows that there is a clear consensus that the Kyoto Protocol is an unfair and ineffective means of addressing global climate change concerns."
Whats wrong with standing up and taking the lead on something that would beneficially affect everyone equally?
Because it does so by punishing the U.S. unequally, to the detriment of our economy. Make it so that everyone can still compete in the global market on a fair and equal basis, and then you're more likely to get Bush in favor of it.
Oh, and for the Bush-bashers, you should notice that the Senate voted 95-0 in agreement with Bush. That's all the Repubs, as well as all the Dems. This isn't just Bush by himself standing against it.
QuoteBecause it does so by punishing the U.S. unequally, to the detriment of our economy. Make it so that everyone can still compete in the global market on a fair and equal basis, and then you're more likely to get Bush in favor of it.
Oh boo fucking hoo. The U.S. contributes approx 25% of the world's CO2 emissions with only 4% of the world's population, now there is unequal for you!
With great power comes great responsibility..............and big boobed women.
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How about having a look on attachment, f.e.?
That's a really long document... Can you point me to the "simple answer" in there?