beowulf 1 #226 September 14, 2004 !!!!! DISCLAIMER !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have nothing against Catholics just skeptical of the Catholic heirarchy. I was baptised catholic as a child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #227 September 14, 2004 So which commandments do we have to follow? I mean, according to you it's not as simple as reading them and obeying them. According to you the bible could say one thing but mean something completely different. Are we allowed to have other gods before Jesus? Can we? Is this acceptable? I say we can. Even though the bible says you can't, I think saying we can't is just a "misunderstanding". Right? Isn't that the word you use whenever the bible contradicts itself? You say it's taken out of context and it's a misunderstanding? Yes, have all the gods you want. The commandment stating the opposite is just a misunderstanding and taken out of context. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #228 September 14, 2004 Quote!!!!! DISCLAIMER !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have nothing against Catholics just skeptical of the Catholic heirarchy. I was baptised catholic as a child. I wasn't. I was baptized Christian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #229 September 14, 2004 Is all that a statement or a question? Before I can answer something like that, I need for you to unscramble it into something specific. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #230 September 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteI just don't think that the bible was either inspired or written by "God". It is a compilation of folk stories chosen by a group of men a long time ago. Anyone trying to convince me of the existance of "God" will have to do so with out the bible. Pretty tough restriction you've put on yourself but it's still possible. not really... i know several people who have 'found' (although i prefer 'heard') God much more easily once we got the bible and noise of Man's interpretation and political agendas out of the way... in fact i'd wager the bible prevents a great many from even looking very hard____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #231 September 14, 2004 I don't see it that way but...ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #232 September 14, 2004 your on going argument with Tuna in this thread could be considered one example.... i could pour gas on either side really, but its progressing rather well and i'm impressed with the depth of research your doing.. the bible certainly helps many once they find God themselves, I've got 3 (4 if you count the Boomer, but i wouldnt really.. God is there too but shes laughing more than anything else ) sitting behind me and pick them up on occasion for new insights as well, but the signal to noise ratio is just to low for many i've met to start there....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #233 September 14, 2004 Most people say I'm a soft spoken and reserved person. I just type really loud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #234 September 14, 2004 QuoteMost people say I'm a soft spoken and reserved person. I just type really loud. LOL! Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #235 September 14, 2004 QuoteLOL! Oh...I doubt it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #236 September 14, 2004 Oooh, a typewritten shouting match. I wonder how that works? Or we could try a verbal thumb wrestling match (I'd win, I'm a really good thumb wrestler)? How about a verbal staring contest. Let's see who's emoticon blinks first... Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #237 September 14, 2004 At an optometrist's office: If you don't see what you're looking for, you've come to the right place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peregrinerose 0 #238 September 14, 2004 Hmm, I should hang that on my wall. I did think about placing an ad in the paper that says "If you can not read this ad, you need an eye exam" Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Croc 0 #239 September 15, 2004 Prove it to yourself by this little exercise. Think back to when you were five years old. Your mind, body, and personality were not yet fully formed; in fact, not one atom of your then body is part of you now, your immature mind was incapable of complex thought, and your personality has likely changed considerably. Nevertheless your sense of I-ness is the same, and when you draw your last breath it will still be "you" who does it. This continuity of awareness is who you are--the one who experiences the sensations presented to it by the senses, the one who experiences the endless swarm of thoughts that are generated by the mind, the conscious entity that lives inside the body. This is the one unchanging thing about us. By isolating our "selves" (by simply noticing it when the mind is quiet) we notice that "we" are unlimited in time and space. This is a very simple experience, nothing flashy or sensational about it. Perhaps it is the "peace that passeth all understanding." Perhaps God really does dwell within, or, as Jesus is supposed to have said, "the kingdom of heaven lies within." When a person discovers that, there is no more need for "proofs," nor will one need religion or any external God."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #240 September 15, 2004 That's great! Now, do you have any proof or evidence God exists? Can you explain why the bible has hundreds of contradictions? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Croc 0 #241 September 15, 2004 Maybe the things that matter the most cannot be proven. Can you prove that someone loves you? You can gather evidence, but you can never know what is really in someone's heart."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #242 September 15, 2004 So I'll take you answering a question with a question as a "no, I can't provide proof, evidence nor explain the hundreds of contradictions in the bible. Got it, thanks. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #243 September 15, 2004 QuoteSo I'll take you answering a question with a question as a "no, I can't provide proof, evidence nor explain the hundreds of contradictions in the bible. Got it, thanks. Tried that...but you're obviously unwilling to dig into the meat of the subject. You simply want short answers to substantiate shallow claims. I'll ask again what Brits17 and I have asked before. What is your standard of proof? From the movie "Red Planet", are you looking to pick up a rock and find "Made by God" printed on the back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,400 #244 September 15, 2004 >Can you explain why the bible has hundreds of contradictions? I can, but I'm afraid it would take more than a one-word answer, and I know your aversion to long answers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Croc 0 #245 September 15, 2004 You got it."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peregrinerose 0 #246 September 15, 2004 QuotePerhaps God really does dwell within, or, as Jesus is supposed to have said, "the kingdom of heaven lies within." When a person discovers that, there is no more need for "proofs," nor will one need religion or any external God. Interesting quote. This I can wholeheartedly agree with. Wrapped in my husbands arms, both of us silent and still, absorbing the beauty of nature around us, feeling the sun on our faces or snow beneath our feet, that is when we are at total peace with ourselves and the world. Nothing goes through our minds but admiration of the beauty around us and not minds cluttered with everything else. If that is God, then yes, I believe in that. To me, at least, it is truly heaven and I could live all eternity that way. Togas and wings aren't my thing and halos would take way too much work to keep polished. Give me good earthy mud any day. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peregrinerose 0 #247 September 15, 2004 QuoteSo I'll take you answering a question with a question as a "no, I can't provide proof, evidence nor explain the hundreds of contradictions in the bible. Got it, thanks. This is rather limited in scope and seems like you are not really stretching your brain cells here. Can you prove conclusively that you exist, that we exist, that everything around you is not a byproduct of your imagination or neurons? It is impossible. You can give hedgy supporting evidence, heartrates, etc. But you can never truly know for certain that anything is real and not neural noise or a big fat hallucination on your part. You can only go on your gut and what information you can garner. I may not agree with Christianity, but even I can see that some things are just not explainable in a sentence or two. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Luv2Fall 0 #248 September 15, 2004 My wife is full of contradictions both real and perceived...........she contradicts herself all the time, but she is real and her primary purpose or mission in life remains unchanged. I can assure all she is real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peregrinerose 0 #249 September 15, 2004 QuoteMy wife is full of contradictions both real and perceived...........she contradicts herself all the time, but she is real and her primary purpose or mission in life remains unchanged. I can assure all she is real. HEY!! Women never contradict themselves. We are unyeilding rocks of consistency. Mostly. Except for when we aren't..... 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peregrinerose 0 #238 September 14, 2004 Hmm, I should hang that on my wall. I did think about placing an ad in the paper that says "If you can not read this ad, you need an eye exam" Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Croc 0 #239 September 15, 2004 Prove it to yourself by this little exercise. Think back to when you were five years old. Your mind, body, and personality were not yet fully formed; in fact, not one atom of your then body is part of you now, your immature mind was incapable of complex thought, and your personality has likely changed considerably. Nevertheless your sense of I-ness is the same, and when you draw your last breath it will still be "you" who does it. This continuity of awareness is who you are--the one who experiences the sensations presented to it by the senses, the one who experiences the endless swarm of thoughts that are generated by the mind, the conscious entity that lives inside the body. This is the one unchanging thing about us. By isolating our "selves" (by simply noticing it when the mind is quiet) we notice that "we" are unlimited in time and space. This is a very simple experience, nothing flashy or sensational about it. Perhaps it is the "peace that passeth all understanding." Perhaps God really does dwell within, or, as Jesus is supposed to have said, "the kingdom of heaven lies within." When a person discovers that, there is no more need for "proofs," nor will one need religion or any external God."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #240 September 15, 2004 That's great! Now, do you have any proof or evidence God exists? Can you explain why the bible has hundreds of contradictions? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Croc 0 #241 September 15, 2004 Maybe the things that matter the most cannot be proven. Can you prove that someone loves you? You can gather evidence, but you can never know what is really in someone's heart."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #242 September 15, 2004 So I'll take you answering a question with a question as a "no, I can't provide proof, evidence nor explain the hundreds of contradictions in the bible. Got it, thanks. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #243 September 15, 2004 QuoteSo I'll take you answering a question with a question as a "no, I can't provide proof, evidence nor explain the hundreds of contradictions in the bible. Got it, thanks. Tried that...but you're obviously unwilling to dig into the meat of the subject. You simply want short answers to substantiate shallow claims. I'll ask again what Brits17 and I have asked before. What is your standard of proof? From the movie "Red Planet", are you looking to pick up a rock and find "Made by God" printed on the back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #244 September 15, 2004 >Can you explain why the bible has hundreds of contradictions? I can, but I'm afraid it would take more than a one-word answer, and I know your aversion to long answers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Croc 0 #245 September 15, 2004 You got it."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #246 September 15, 2004 QuotePerhaps God really does dwell within, or, as Jesus is supposed to have said, "the kingdom of heaven lies within." When a person discovers that, there is no more need for "proofs," nor will one need religion or any external God. Interesting quote. This I can wholeheartedly agree with. Wrapped in my husbands arms, both of us silent and still, absorbing the beauty of nature around us, feeling the sun on our faces or snow beneath our feet, that is when we are at total peace with ourselves and the world. Nothing goes through our minds but admiration of the beauty around us and not minds cluttered with everything else. If that is God, then yes, I believe in that. To me, at least, it is truly heaven and I could live all eternity that way. Togas and wings aren't my thing and halos would take way too much work to keep polished. Give me good earthy mud any day. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #247 September 15, 2004 QuoteSo I'll take you answering a question with a question as a "no, I can't provide proof, evidence nor explain the hundreds of contradictions in the bible. Got it, thanks. This is rather limited in scope and seems like you are not really stretching your brain cells here. Can you prove conclusively that you exist, that we exist, that everything around you is not a byproduct of your imagination or neurons? It is impossible. You can give hedgy supporting evidence, heartrates, etc. But you can never truly know for certain that anything is real and not neural noise or a big fat hallucination on your part. You can only go on your gut and what information you can garner. I may not agree with Christianity, but even I can see that some things are just not explainable in a sentence or two. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #248 September 15, 2004 My wife is full of contradictions both real and perceived...........she contradicts herself all the time, but she is real and her primary purpose or mission in life remains unchanged. I can assure all she is real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #249 September 15, 2004 QuoteMy wife is full of contradictions both real and perceived...........she contradicts herself all the time, but she is real and her primary purpose or mission in life remains unchanged. I can assure all she is real. HEY!! Women never contradict themselves. We are unyeilding rocks of consistency. Mostly. Except for when we aren't..... Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
