PhillyKev 0 #101 August 7, 2004 QuoteClinton Lied under oath. Clinton has actually raped a woman by biting her on the lip while he is doing his thing. Clinton is not running for president. QuoteIf you study history, you would realize that most great leaders did things that were very unpopular amongst the crowds at the time.. Yeah, like Napoleon, Stalin, Lennin... QuoteWhy were they so popular after squashing afganistan taliban First off, there was just a battle last month where we killed 300 taliban. Pretty good indicator they're not quite squashed (but hopefully on their way). And second, they actually had something to do with Al Queda and Bin Laden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jedeimaster 0 #102 August 7, 2004 And you will find me supporting all of them in their efforts. As far as patriotism? Well, I like this quote: "A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle." -George William Curtis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jedeimaster 0 #103 August 7, 2004 Quotebut Kerry's wife "Heinz Ketchup" scares me more than Hillary. Most likely because she is very educated, speaks her mind freely and has a worldly view about her because she grew up outside of America. She scares you because she comes across more dominate then most men, and this frightens men who do not like strong women. Men seem to prefer the submissive ways of Laura Bush instead. Also, making fun of someone's name is a child's game and does nothing to win over your point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1 0 #104 August 7, 2004 I love dominate women. They make me feel so kinky. However, didn't Hillary mention in an interview "We are the President." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1 0 #105 August 7, 2004 You forgot to mention George Washington, Abraham Lincoln. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #106 August 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteDude! You must start taking some medication. Nice personal attack there -- it must mean you've run out of relevant arguments. Nope. I reserve good arguments for discussions based on rationality. I'm well versed in all sorts of medications and would not hesitate to recommend them if I see a need. How bout if I said, "Dude, lighten up" ...would that have fit better into your more limited perspective? Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1 0 #107 August 8, 2004 Why do you not post your name and numbers Jedeimaster? Who are you trying to hide from? Darth Vader or the canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #108 August 8, 2004 Quote> See you thinking about Born in the U.S.A. and J.C.M. American Fool > album but what you not thinking is that these came out 20 years ago. In 1980, Springsteen made this comment on Reagan's election during a concert: "I don’t know what you guys think about what happened last night, but I think it's pretty frightening. You guys are young -- there’s gonna be a lot of people depending on you comin' up, so this is for you." So 24 years ago, The Boss was just as anti-authoritarian as he is today. Ah, yes, the multimillionaire mega celebrity "everyman blue-collar joe" who goes home to a mansion to sleep at night. What an iconoclast. Eat the rich! Ohh, uh, wait, that's me! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #109 August 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteClinton Lied under oath. Clinton has actually raped a woman by biting her on the lip while he is doing his thing. Clinton is not running for president. QuoteIf you study history, you would realize that most great leaders did things that were very unpopular amongst the crowds at the time.. Yeah, like Napoleon, Stalin, Lennin... Uh, I think his point was, "great leaders who maybe weren't understood at the time but who LATER WERE respected for their decisions." Who is now respecting Stalin for his decisions? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #110 August 8, 2004 For every conservative music or movie star I could name, how many libs could you name? 20? *** Product of Hollywood. Actor. President of SAG (Screen Actors' Guild). Governor of CA. President of the US of A. Never lied under oath, because he was smart enough to have other people do it for him... But that's probably worth another thread! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #111 August 8, 2004 Quotewould that have fit better into your more limited perspective? Personal insults are big with you, it would seem. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #112 August 8, 2004 QuoteAh, yes, the multimillionaire mega celebrity "everyman blue-collar joe" who goes home to a mansion to sleep at night. What an iconoclast. Eat the rich! Ohh, uh, wait, that's me! Difference with Bruce is that he's held and voiced these views he's had going all the way back to the first album, and probably before that. Back when he had nothing, and less than nothing. Long before he was wealthy, which of course was not pre-ordained. I disagree with some of his views, but have always been a big fan. I can respect someone's views, even if they're different from mine. He cares, he connects, and he gets people to think. Dialogue is always good, even with (especially with) those with divergent views. On the other hand, those I have little time for are the I-got-mine-hollywood-limosine-liberals. I can no longer mentally distance myself from the Sarandon/Robbins set, their work and their views so I don't support those anymore. They chose to divide their audience. It's not my mind that's closed, it's simply my mind which has analyzed and decided. Would the dixie chicks said what they said at a concert in texas? No. In their case, they were simply pandering to the UK crowd, and we're told at the time like 80% of brits were against military action in iraq. I cannot have any respect for the views of panderers. If you have a set of views which are reasoned, and which you hold and voice regardless of the audience, in front of people who can and can't DO anything for you, then I can respect that. And then *I* can still choose to support that person's work or not. And I am free to have my own reasons. I don't OWE these people a career. That's not censorship. It's just freedom of choice. Maybe when I'm wealthy, I'll be able to afford to be a liberal too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #113 August 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou're right about Zeppelin's lyrics not being the most political, but they didn't write most of them anyway. I hope they paid some royalties to Leadbelly. Still, they had one hell of a guitar player. Zep wrote all most all their own music and covered a fair amount of songs. This was very popular back in the day. Well, a band would take the lyrics and write new music for it. Most of the 60's bands were blues and swing based. Zep was not as political as the others, but The Doors were very out spoken......5 to 1, baby!And it was the bass player and drummer who made Zeppelin! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #114 August 8, 2004 Quote American Fool album but what you not thinking is that these came out 20 years ago. They don't make anything patriotic anymore. Because they are going with the liberal left which has nothing patriotic about it. Depends on your definition of patriotic. Born In The U.S.A. Lyrics by Bruce Springsteen Born down in a dead man's town The first kick I took was when I hit the ground You end up like a dog that's been beat too much 'Til you spend half your life just covering up [chorus:] Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. I got in a little hometown jam And so they put a rifle in my hands Sent me off to Vietnam To go and kill the yellow man [chorus] Come back home to the refinery Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me" I go down to see the V.A. man He said "Son don't you understand" [chorus] I had a buddy at Khe Sahn Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a little girl in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms Down in the shadow of the penitentiary Out by the gas fires of the refinery I'm ten years down the road Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. And while we are at it about patriotic songs. THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND words and music by Woody Guthrie Chorus: This land is your land, this land is my land From California, to the New York Island From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters This land was made for you and me As I was walking a ribbon of highway I saw above me an endless skyway I saw below me a golden valley This land was made for you and me Chorus I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts And all around me a voice was sounding This land was made for you and me Chorus The sun comes shining as I was strolling The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling The fog was lifting a voice come chanting This land was made for you and me Chorus As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there And that sign said - no tress passin' But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin! Now that side was made for you and me! Chorus In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple Near the relief office - I see my people And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin' If this land's still made for you and me. Chorus (2x) "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #115 August 9, 2004 QuoteQuote American Fool album but what you not thinking is that these came out 20 years ago. They don't make anything patriotic anymore. Because they are going with the liberal left which has nothing patriotic about it. Depends on your definition of patriotic. Born In The U.S.A. Lyrics by Bruce Springsteen Born down in a dead man's town The first kick I took was when I hit the ground You end up like a dog that's been beat too much 'Til you spend half your life just covering up [chorus:] Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. I got in a little hometown jam And so they put a rifle in my hands Sent me off to Vietnam To go and kill the yellow man [chorus] Come back home to the refinery Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me" I go down to see the V.A. man He said "Son don't you understand" [chorus] I had a buddy at Khe Sahn Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a little girl in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms Down in the shadow of the penitentiary Out by the gas fires of the refinery I'm ten years down the road Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. And while we are at it about patriotic songs. THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND words and music by Woody Guthrie Chorus: This land is your land, this land is my land From California, to the New York Island From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters This land was made for you and me As I was walking a ribbon of highway I saw above me an endless skyway I saw below me a golden valley This land was made for you and me Chorus I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts And all around me a voice was sounding This land was made for you and me Chorus The sun comes shining as I was strolling The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling The fog was lifting a voice come chanting This land was made for you and me Chorus As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there And that sign said - no tress passin' But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin! Now that side was made for you and me! Chorus In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple Near the relief office - I see my people And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin' If this land's still made for you and me. Chorus (2x) All of his music and lyrics come from small town America and reflect how those people live and what they experience. If you went to a steel town in Penn state 20 or 30 years ago, you would find people who reflect those words. You would also find people who would drive pink caddies waving to girls, even out of sight. Springsteen is known for music that reflects what he sees and feels. Anyone want to touch Dylan? I dare you! I double dare you!!!!!!!!!! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #116 August 9, 2004 Quote All of his music and lyrics come from small town America and reflect how those people live and what they experience. If you went to a steel town in Penn state 20 or 30 years ago, you would find people who reflect those words. You would also find people who would drive pink caddies waving to girls, even out of sight. Springsteen is known for music that reflects what he sees and feels.... Give me a break. After reading the words above. Two songs BTW, one Bruce and one Woody Gurthrie, how can you say either is "patriotic" in the Republican sense of the word? I happen to agree with the sentiment in each song and think they are patriotic in that they point out problems in our society but pointing out problems in our society is not usually considered patriotic by those on the right. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #117 August 9, 2004 Quote . . . "patriotic" in the Republican sense of the word? WTF? Do the Republicans have a different definition of patriotic than the Democrats?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #118 August 9, 2004 In my not so humble opinion, yes. The Republican definition of patriotic is our government, right or wrong. I think others have a more "liberal" definition. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #119 August 9, 2004 our government is not our country, our people are our country, Patriots support the people, even when the government forgets who serves who at times..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #120 August 9, 2004 QuoteQuotewould that have fit better into your more limited perspective? Personal insults are big with you, it would seem. You disagree with the accuracy of my statement ...or are you just more of a form over substance kind of guy? I see in your profile, you been skydiving a year with 80 jumps, and recently graduated from wearing pampers (congrats, BTW). If I underestimated your world view, I withdraw my statement and offer my apologies. If not, well, skydiving (and much of life) is all about accurately assesing the reality of situations ...and , no matter how much you may not like it, accept it is, indeed, the true state of affairs. Live and learn, brother. Live and learn. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #121 August 9, 2004 Quote you forgot Willie Nelson and since you appear to like german quotes here's another one: Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen. Heinrich Heine 1820 Didn't forget Willie Nelson. He just is not a part of this Concert being put on by Moveon. But rest assure the sight of the pothead makes me sick. He seem in very secure and the Dem convention with like minded individuals. By the way thats a nice quote but its not at all relevant since I have not advocated censoring anybody or anything and I am certainly not out there burning anything. I think you need to save that quote for the Kerry lawyers that are hard at work trying to censor his fellow soldiers. The ones that were not kissing his ass all over the Dem convention but are out telling the true story of the real Kerry they knew and served with, the coward.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #122 August 11, 2004 First - Actually it's been proven they didn't serve directly with Kerry, although they were in the 'vicinity' of where Kerry served. Second - Although I don't agree with you in the slightest politically, I agree with you 100% when it comes to voting with your wallet. I do it all the time. I can make people crazy - Nope sorry can't eat there, I boycott the place, nope sorry can't buy that I boycott the company . . .Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #123 August 12, 2004 >>Personal insults are big with you, it would seem. >recently graduated from wearing pampers CRWMike, Skydyvr, enough already. No personal attacks even if the other guy did it first, or really is a dick or whatever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #124 August 12, 2004 QuoteQuote You notice how movie stars and famous bands always back the Dems? Ted Nugent to Manifest please . . . Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #125 August 12, 2004 Quote>>Personal insults are big with you, it would seem. >recently graduated from wearing pampers CRWMike, Skydyvr, enough already. No personal attacks even if the other guy did it first, or really is a dick or whatever. Sorry, my bad. I'll no longer point it out when anyone hands me a personal insult. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
