tkhayes 150
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QuoteWe blame the cops, but could easily see some of my local neighbors doing exactly the same thing with someone in a field next to their homes.
And they would have been just as wrong. Please provide some statistical evidence of the problem of people being mistaken for criminals and being shot by accident?
Was what the cops did wrong? Yes. Is that a justification for changing gun laws? No. Once again, you're resorting to anecdotal evidence to support your claims of "gun problems".
Kennedy 0
So you're taking an example of inappropriate police action (one could call it abuse), adding a hypothetical complication, defining "threat" in an overly broad sense, replacing the officer with a citizen, and telling us your example should influence the gun rights/gun control debate?
Dude, who are you kidding?
Dude, who are you kidding?
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kallend 1,679
QuoteQuoteWe blame the cops, but could easily see some of my local neighbors doing exactly the same thing with someone in a field next to their homes.
And they would have been just as wrong. Please provide some statistical evidence of the problem of people being mistaken for criminals and being shot by accident?
Was what the cops did wrong? Yes. Is that a justification for changing gun laws? No. Once again, you're resorting to anecdotal evidence to support your claims of "gun problems".
Why does it have to be statistical? One case is one too many, just like executing an innocent person.
Google on Amadou Diallo for a good example.
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QuoteWhy does it have to be statistical? One case is one too many, just like executing an innocent person.
So does that mean on cop shooting the wrong person is reason to take guns away from all cops?
After all, one case is too many
Kids drown in bathtubs all the time. And since one case it too many, maybe we should require timers on bath drains. Or maybe we should pass a law requiring someone else always be in the room, until age 18, and require built in video surveillance to ensure compliance. We can't forget: one case is too many.
Is that a fair illustration of how ridiculous you sound, or should I go on?
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tkhayes 150
QuoteSo does that mean on cop shooting the wrong person is reason to take guns away from all cops?
you seem to continuing to take what people say and twist it into something else - but at least you asked it as a question.
No one in this thread suggested that guns be taken away from cops because they make a mistake.
but 'one is too many' is a worthwhile ideology when dealing with unnecessary death.
As far as technology goes for bathtub drownings, what you suggest we implement would cost a fortune. But someday, and maybe soon, some bright kid comes up with a $0.25 technology solution. And then it would not be 'ridiculous' as you put it.
So when you say someone sounds ridiculous, you pretty much try to discredit the entire arguement, when I can easily see simple solutions in the near future to help prevent bathtub drownings.
We put microprocessors in toasters so they do not catch fire. 30 years ago that same solution was cost prohibitive and would have been ridiculous. But in fact the idea itself was not ridiculous.
Maybe some people are just being narrow minded - how about that?
TK
kallend 1,679
QuoteQuoteWhy does it have to be statistical? One case is one too many, just like executing an innocent person.
So does that mean on cop shooting the wrong person is reason to take guns away from all cops?
After all, one case is too many
Kids drown in bathtubs all the time. And since one case it too many, maybe we should require timers on bath drains. Or maybe we should pass a law requiring someone else always be in the room, until age 18, and require built in video surveillance to ensure compliance. We can't forget: one case is too many.
Is that a fair illustration of how ridiculous you sound, or should I go on?
Are you saying that executing innocent people doesn't bother you? That your right to have fun with a gun outweighs someone else's right to live?
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QuoteAre you saying that executing innocent people doesn't bother you? That your right to have fun with a gun outweighs someone else's right to live?
Are you saying that innocent people drowing doesn't bother you? That your right to have fun with a backyard pool outweighs someone else's right to live?
I don't think anyone on here has argued against guns being safer. Provided that their functionality in a life and death situation is not compromised. If you come up with a 25 cent solution that elliminates the possibility for accidental deaths without reducing the functionality of a gun, I'll be the first to lobby for it being required on all guns.
which kinda ties into my comments and thoughts about gun problems - and the problems with society that it is OK to shoot him if he 'threatened' them.
All he probably had to do was to perhaps not speak good english - then misunderstand what they were tellling him to do, wave the knife a couple times trying to explain what HE is trying to do (in his native tongue) and get his ass shot off.
Absolutely no reason to have guns drawn in this incident. And good example of how paranoid i think America is about things like that.
We blame the cops, but could easily see some of my local neighbors doing exactly the same thing with someone in a field next to their homes.
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