Zenister 0 #26 August 13, 2003 QuotePolygamy, polyandry, and other group efforts are all ways to define family units. That's all. If polygamy is legalized, then the others should be too. As it is, there are no laws against living that way, only against calling it marriage.....it's their business grrr forum hickuped and my post vanished into the ether.. I really like the way you think Wendy.. there are variations on the theme , but its primarily a family marriage, where each individual agrees (vows) to raise and care for all offspring irrgaurdless of who the mother/father really is...certainly there are issues to overcome, however with rational adults its a very supportive community environment.. there is a good discussion of how this could work in Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and some of the difficulties that can arise in Friday as well as several other accepted social norms that have no real basis beyond religious leftovers... Science Fiction has always been a great medium to examine and challenge accepted social norms and concepts..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #27 August 13, 2003 QuoteCan you explain the "tax break"? Last I checked, we were paying more for being married, not less. In terms of taxes, if you both make decent money, you pay more. The wife and I are in that category now. If only one works, the other is a dependant, and therefore a tax "writeoff". You pay less taxes. Each child adds another dependant. It follows that if polygamy were legalized, each wife and child would be a dependant. If no limits were placed on it, you could keep deducting more and more dependants until you paid no taxes. This does NOT mean that you can net more money than you gross. For one thing, they are deductions, not something the IRS actually pays for. For another, for most the deduction is far less than it actually costs to keep them healthy and happy. (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #28 August 13, 2003 As part of the application for my green card, they asked the question "Are you a polygamist?" My answer was "No, but I'm willing to learn." (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #29 August 13, 2003 Although, with the new "Child credit" it could get expensive for Uncle Sam. Since this is a $400 CREDIT (i think 400) NOT deduction. So, theoretically you could net more than you gross!! Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 August 13, 2003 In the scheme of things, $400 isn't much though it would seem to be to kids and college students. I know that both my wife and I work. I make a lot, she makes little. Since we are married, she pays at the same tax rate I do. If we were single and living together, she'd pay almost nothing in taxes and get all those freebies that non-taxpayers get that I pay for. I believe that also included some of the $400 credits to people that don't pay any tax. There is not a break for being married, just the opposite. I see T-leg's point, except it's a hypothethical and not in practice. Instead of the credit, I'd rather have seen larger across the board cuts and a more streamlined government. Also, rules for the cuts to NOT allow the local and state governments to increase their taxes to offset my national cut. Also, equal tax rates for married people as the single types get. Blue Skies ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #31 August 13, 2003 OK, what is the fed rate for a single person making over 100K? Now, let's say they get married, and the wife makes 40K. What is the rate for Household income of 140K? Here it is!!!! Single making 100K your taxes would be: 14625 + 30% (difference over 67,700) 14625 + (.3 x 32300) =24,3100 =24.31% Tax Married jointly filing. using example above. with 140K combined income. tax is: 24,265 + 30% Diff over 112,850 24,265 + (.3 x 27,150) 24,265 + (8145) 32,410 = 23.25% Percentage wise it seems to check out ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #32 August 13, 2003 Polygamy comes from older subsistence cultures, where people depended on the crops they grew, or the herds they tended. With a life like that, one husband/provider for several wives and many children could make sense. Things like having a tent over your head and a meal in your belly are more important than the emotional concerns of sharing your husband with several other women. And that's still what a lot of polygamy in the third world is about. In the U.S., there's the problem of underage girls being coerced into arranged polygamous "marriages". A lot of these girls are simply underage, period. They haven't even had an opportunity to date a boy (or discover sex with a boy) their own age. Instead they're bundled off into a "marriage" with some horny old bastard, where they're the youngest wife in the pecking order. The horny old bastard keeps fucking her and the other wives take out their resentments on her and give her all the shit work to do. And oh yeah, she not only has to fuck the old coot and have his babies, she's supposed to obey him too. Doesn't sound too cool to me. Sounds more like a ritualized system of child abuse. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #33 August 13, 2003 It's impractical. The current legal contract called marriage will have to be rebuilt almost completely to accomodate polygamy. For instance: Man A is married to woman B, who is married to man C. What is the relationship between man A and man C? Now consider that B and C have a child. B and C get divorced. Is man A responsible for the child? does man C have to pay alimony? What if the chain is longer? What if we have man A - woman B - man C - woman D - man E, etc etc? What if man A and man C are brothers? What if man A is the father of man C? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alanab 0 #34 August 13, 2003 QuoteWhat if man A is the father of man C? uh, that's vierd, jah... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #35 August 13, 2003 QuotePolygamy comes from older subsistence cultures, where people depended on the crops they grew, or the herds they tended. With a life like that, one husband/provider for several wives and many children could make sense. Things like having a tent over your head and a meal in your belly are more important than the emotional concerns of sharing your husband with several other women. And that's still what a lot of polygamy in the third world is about. In the U.S., there's the problem of underage girls being coerced into arranged polygamous "marriages". A lot of these girls are simply underage, period. They haven't even had an opportunity to date a boy (or discover sex with a boy) their own age. Instead they're bundled off into a "marriage" with some horny old bastard, where they're the youngest wife in the pecking order. The horny old bastard keeps fucking her and the other wives take out their resentments on her and give her all the shit work to do. And oh yeah, she not only has to fuck the old coot and have his babies, she's supposed to obey him too. Doesn't sound too cool to me. Sounds more like a ritualized system of child abuse. I'm gonna stir this pot but good... ...sounds like Islam."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #36 August 13, 2003 How could any man deal with more than one woman and come out of it sane? I do believe that sufficiently large doses of overly emotional, illogical reasoning can and will eventually damage the brain of a man. How could any man WANT this? This isnt to say its strange to want SEX with more than 1 woman but thats not what we are talking about. A man would have to be insane to want this, and therefore as a non-sane type, shouldnt really be marrying even 1 woman let alone several. He should also be sterilized so as to not pass on his obviously mutated or otherwise damaged DNA via the freak woman thats ok with all this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #37 August 13, 2003 I vote for making Clay marry all of his ex-girlfriends. This would make an example of him for the rest of us and the issue will be dropped forever -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #38 August 13, 2003 not really sure what you all are debating cuz I haven't read anything but the thread title but if Polygamy is to have more than one woman at your beck and call... hell, yeah! I am all for it! chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #39 August 13, 2003 That also means AT LEAST Twice the bitching and moaning, and twice the spending of your money. Think about this: Women who spend a great deal of time together tend to sync up their menstral cycles. Can you imagine having 5 or 6 women in the house with PMS all at the same time??? I think I would FUCKING kill myself! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #40 August 13, 2003 can you say Earwax? It's a wonderful thing.. chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #41 August 13, 2003 QuoteI vote for making Clay marry all of his ex-girlfriends. This would make an example of him for the rest of us and the issue will be dropped forever Not an example, marrying all his old girlfriends would make him a shepherd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #42 August 13, 2003 QuoteThat also means AT LEAST Twice the bitching and moaning, and twice the spending of your money. Bigamy is having one wife too many. Of course, I have the same opinion of monogamy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 151 #43 August 14, 2003 Ok long break my time zone is out of sync with you guys. In essence it was the principle of commune type environment. More or less long term commitments, not "swinging" where the sole purpose appears to be sex (I am an outsider on this so that might be false).Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #44 August 14, 2003 Practically, women are more likely to need and are better able to justify multiple husbands, SO's etc. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 151 #45 August 14, 2003 Quote Practically, women are more likely to need and are better able to justify multiple husbands, SO's etc. Sorry don't understand SO's?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #46 August 14, 2003 Significant Others. People that matter to you but you may not be married to. A non gender specific partner. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
