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Darius11 12
I appreciate you not being rude. Even if it was tempting at first.
I enjoy intelligent discussion and not name-calling. So thank you for editing your post.
“Sure money is a factor. If others agree with a new political viewpoint, they must spend money in order to get that viewpoint out for others to see and consider.”
I wish it was not a factor. I wish what is right was a factor.
I do wish that religion was never broth in to the Israeli and Palestine battle. It is only a land dispute. Unfortunately when you do put names as Muslims and Jews it takes another form. No matter what happens people of one of the religions seem to take one side.
Me like I said before am not taking sides. I am simply stating facts. I truly don’t think that the normal people in Palestine and Israel want war. No one wants war.
In any situation I look at the facts. I have seen much footage of the Palestinians throwing rocks and the Israelis shooting M-16 it is easy to guess who is doing more damage and who has the power.
When you chose to blow your self up it means you have run out of all options.
I also know there is eliminates on Both sides that seem to fuk up any peace process.
I personally feel the same sadness when I hear a Palestinian child has been killed as when I hear an Israeli child has been killed. That’s why I can’t take sides. It is absolute ignorance to think one side is a hundred percent right or wrong. It is when people decide what side they are on that we have war. When there is no side and there is discussion we can have peace. You and me will not agree on many things. I do hope that we can agree that human life (Jewish, Muslim, Christine, Satan worshipper who ever) is more valuable then any amount of money, that peace is better then war, and a human life has the same value no matter what religion.
sundevil777 94
Radical {Islamic hatred}
or
{Radical Islamic} hatred
or perhaps even
Mainstream {Islamic hatred}
Skyrad 0
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
billvon 2,435
> ANY way comparable to the daily murder of innocent men, women
> and kids around the world, right?
Murder is murder; and if you can claim the actions of a handful of Arabs defines their religion as violent, I claim the "Army of God" defines christians as just as violent. They advocate murder of doctors in the name of god.
And if you want to try to compare numbers - try comparing the number of people killed during the crusades, during which christians killed arabs in the name of god. Around nine million dead all told if I recall correctly.
Faber 0
QuoteAmerica got a taste of its own medicine on 9/11
Terro= when the bad guys hit the good guys.. now who is good and who is bad?and who deside it?
only one thing is sure.. all the inocent people pays the price
Stay safe
Stefan Faber
lummy 4
QuoteImagine away, but you won't see such a doll simply because the vast majority of Christian children in the US aren't taught to HATE other people based on religion, unlike certain other populations that subscribe to other faiths
Of course we won't. That's because we make photoshopped pics of Hussein with catchy phrases taken from common advertising slogans or flash movies of UBL being bombed to hell then distribute them to all our friends, family and favorite chat sites.
Nope, we're different cause WE'RE better than them.
Just out of curiousity, but has anyone else noticed that the reports coming out of Iraq have been referring to the enemy as insurgents and rebels now instead of terrorists? Just wondering.
sundevil777 94
QuoteMurder is murder
1=1 also. Both are examples of the identity principle. However killing someone is not always murder.
Quoteif you can claim the actions of a handful of Arabs defines their religion as violent, I claim the "Army of God" defines christians as just as violent. They advocate murder of doctors in the name of god.
Those who kill abortion providers in the name of god are treated as criminals and punished within our own justice system. Their methods of opposing abortion are not popular.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad are large organizations that are quite popular in the Arab world by comparison. They actually get a seat at a table with the Palestinian Authority, and are encouraged to implement a cease fire (not exactly treated like criminals).
Can you see the difference?
Darius11 12
skydyvr 0
QuoteAnd if you want to try to compare numbers - try comparing the number of people killed during the crusades, during which christians killed arabs in the name of god. Around nine million dead all told if I recall correctly.
My point was to compare numbers, and I agree that killing in the name of any religion is a bad thing. I can't even comprehend how people justifiy it. Had I lived during the crusades, I might object to their actions. But today, it's homicide bonbers walking onto buses filled with women and kids.
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billvon 2,435
> criminals and punished within our own justice system. Their methods
> of opposing abortion are not popular.
Many are not caught and are revered, even worshipped by the Army of God. The ones that are caught are supported through donations.
>Hamas and Islamic Jihad are large organizations that are quite
>popular in the Arab world by comparison. They actually get a seat at
> a table with the Palestinian Authority, and are encouraged to
> implement a cease fire (not exactly treated like criminals).
Just as radical anti-abortion groups here are allowed to lobby congress, even when they say things like "I remain committed to non-violent direct action to intervene for the babies. But I cannot condemn Paul Hill's (doctor-killer) actions either by Scripture or by civil law."
The Army of God is a radical christian sect that both endorses and helps commit murder. Hamas is a radical Islamic sect that does the same thing. The Army of God does not represent all christians and Hamas does not represent all Moslems.
Personally I work with half a dozen arabs, including one Sikh guy, a woman from Iraq, a guy from Iran, one guy from Syria or Jordan, and one guy from Saudi Arabia. They would no sooner blow up a bus than you would. Judging them by the actions of terrorist groups makes as much sense as judging you by the actions of the Army of God.
sducoach 0
You and BBkid need to read a little. I have a full leather bound Koran.
Please show me in the Bible where it calls for the "Crusades" to occur. Please show me where it calls for the "Army of God" to be formed.
After you do so I'll send you a few passages from the books in the Koran.
There is a big difference between "Religion" and God.
The Old Testament tells of many battles of good against evil, the New Testament tells of "Love" as the greatest command. Try reading the Bible, then the Koran and you decide. It's called free will and free choice.
Post away, I'll keep you in my prayers.
Blues,
J.E.
Darius11 12
I have said this many times. Islam is not about peace Muslims are not hippies. Islam is about Justice.
Islam is about not letting people walk all over you it is about standing up for what is right.
The people who were responsible for the crusades did consider them self’s as Christine’s even if there actions were not. Same goes for terrorist that murder innocent people. They might think they are Muslims but there action are not very Muslim like.
sundevil777 94
QuoteJust as radical anti-abortion groups here are allowed to lobby congress, even when they say things like "I remain committed to non-violent direct action to intervene for the babies. But I cannot condemn Paul Hill's (doctor-killer) actions either by Scripture or by civil law."
The Army of God is a radical christian sect that both endorses and helps commit murder. Hamas is a radical Islamic sect that does the same thing. The Army of God does not represent all christians and Hamas does not represent all Moslems.
Local and federal prosecuters and lawmakers are trying to apply existing laws and/or create new laws that can clearly be used to punish 'enablers'. When groups such as NAMBLA are difficult to stop with existing laws and their interpretation by the courts I can understand that stopping the army of God can be difficult. At least we are trying, and the public overwelmingly agrees.
Contrast this to the Palestinian Authority, who call leaders of Hamas and Islamic Jihad in to 'ask' for a cease-fire, after agreeing to 'dismantle' these same organizations. Why can't they be dismantled? The PA says that they don't have the power/ability to do so, that a civil war would result.
Do you see a difference?
QuotePersonally I work with half a dozen arabs, including one Sikh guy, a woman from Iraq, a guy from Iran, one guy from Syria or Jordan, and one guy from Saudi Arabia. They would no sooner blow up a bus than you would. Judging them by the actions of terrorist groups makes as much sense as judging you by the actions of the Army of God.
Of course I don't judge individual you work with by the actions of terrorist groups. I also work with some arabs, and they aren't going to blow up a bus either. However they do have sympathy for Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the brigades, etc.
Have you ever heard an Arab leader denounce a terrorist action? They do it all the time right? I have heard a certain reporter then repeatedly ask the same leader if they condemn the organization. The leader tries to spin around the question, they will not denounce the group doing the action. You see the group is good in their eyes, the action is misguided by those with proper intentions.
It is kinda like the fact that in this country showing any racism will ensure that you cannot be elected to political office, and even in the business world is no way to advance yourself. Do you think support for Hamas is a help or hindrance to gaining political office in some parts of the Arab world.
Do you see the difference?
billvon 2,435
> occur.
"He who sacrifices to any god, except to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." Exodus 22:20
>Please show me where it calls for the "Army of God" to be
> formed.
??? nowhere. Just as the Koran never mentions hamas. A few other quotes for you from the New King James version of the bible:
Exodus:
"Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." - You could justify a lot of killing in the name of the LORD with that one.
Leviticus:
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death." - So kill all the gays, basically.
"You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you." - Interestingly, he was speaking to the Israelites.
Book of Numbers:
"But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, with the captains over thousands and captains over hundreds, who had come from the battle. And Moses said to them: "Have you kept all the women alive? Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately."
Deuteronomy:
"When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the LORD your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son. For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods; so the anger of the LORD will be aroused against you and destroy you suddenly. But thus you shall deal with them: you shall destroy their altars, and break down their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images, and burn their carved images with fire.
"If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell in, saying, "Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods"'--which you have not known-- then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed among you, you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and its livestock--with the edge of the sword."
But enough of old testament doom and gloom. Perhaps you have heard this more modern Christian ditty, a favorite of our president's:
Mine eyes have seen the glory
Of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage
Where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning
Of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
. . .
I have read a fiery gospel writ
In burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with My contemners,
So with you My grace shall deal":
Let the Hero born of woman
Crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.
. . .
In the beauty of the lilies
Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom
That transfigures you and me;
As He died to make men holy,
Let us die to make men free;
While God is marching on.
-----------------------------------------------------
None of this is to say that the bible is an inherently evil document; indeed, the new testament sends quite a different message. That's the danger of reading too much into any one passage of a book like that. The bible is at once a rule book, history book, code of ethics, attempt at an explanation of the physical world, and binding document for several religions. Not everything in it is supposed to be followed literally; indeed, much of it is now illegal or goes against everything modern religions stand for. (Kill the children and rape the virgins??)
jose 0
Quote>Christianity is a religion where God sent His Son to die for us.
>Islam is a religion where God sends your son to die for Him.
Christanity is a religion where God sends your son to kill abortion doctors, apparently.
The above is one of the reasons that I dislike you so very much Billvon. You constantly take things out of context to "prove" your anti-christian beliefs. You are guilty of the same text that you moderate against. You are the biggest troll here. I don't feel that you should be a moderator if you cant even control yourself. I call for your resignation.
On the other hand, the Arabs/muslims have sought with all their oil wealth and might to do nothing but destroy Isreal and the west while doing nothing to help the Pallies except arm them.
If you take away the oil, the Arabs have created nothing to sustain themselves. They would become wandering nomads again. They are still living in 700 AD and want to stay there.
Am I missing something here? I think they are. They are like kids born into money who never had to work for it. Say, like the Menendez bros who killed their parents for the money saying they were abused.
The Isrealis, on the other hand, did usefull things with the aid they recieved and built a functioning country out of sand.
Now the Arabs/muslims swear to destroy them and us for helping.
Green glass parking lot. Problem solved.
Darius11 12
For example Iran who is trying to start a nuclear power plant. Offcourse we say they are trying to make weapons weapons that we already have and have given to the Israelis. Weapons that we are the only ones who have used. Knowing it would kill innocent people.
“If you take away the oil, the Arabs have created nothing to sustain themselves. They would become wandering nomads again. They are still living in 700 AD and want to stay there.”
Actually if you do a little research you well see that most items invented in America were not invented by Americans. So if your trying to say Muslims or people from the Middle East are not smart enough or not as smart as you are you need to look again. The Iranian minority in the U.S. is the most educated minority in this country. If you don’t believe me go to Beverly Hills or any ware in the LA area.
“They are still living in 700 AD and want to stay there.”
I had no idea you have visited every country in the region. The few I have been too are a lot more modern then you think. Camels are not the main form of transportation any more if that’s what you are trying to say. But then again when your only form of information is Hollywood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sundevil777 94
QuoteNo matter how much of a good pilot you are you will die if you chose to fight an F-18 with a Mig-21
A lot of Israeli victories were a long time before such weapons, the US and Soviet jet fighters of the Korean war to Vietnam war era were very well matched, some say the US machinery at times was not as capable. Soviets supplied the Arabs, US supplied Israel. Typical stuff in the cold war. The Israelis did it with good strategy, tactics, and a well motivated military. They didn't do it with superior numbers.
Darius11 12
that’s exactly what i said it was not a matter of numbers.
And as far as i recall the U.S. backed Israel from the beginning. If you have an A bomb and i don't you win.
The Israeli government has said many times that they will
use all there power including nuclear weapons. I think any country who sees that as an option of defending it self wile not being threatened by nuclear weapons. Should not have such a weapon.
Yes, I thought it rude, so I deleted it.
The Constitution clearly describes how the votes matter. Some would change the method, you can join their cause.
Sure money is a factor. If others agree with a new political viewpoint, they must spend money in order to get that viewpoint out for others to see and consider.
As I said before, Ventura was not given a chance, he won. You can help out the socialist agenda, they do have a significant foothold in this country.
It seems to me you have BS'd yourself into not thinking you can affect change in this country. Given your views I wish this were true, but it is not.
“The Arabs were on the wrong side of WWII.”
Ever head of the Arab League? United Arab Emirates? They associate themselves all the time as Arabs. This is common language used by their leaders, from Arafat, the Saud's and others.
Yes, the Arabs were on the wrong side of WWII.
They chose the path of war, they don't like to live with the consequences.
They have rejected the offers of peace that were incredibly close to all of their supposed demands. Finally some Palestinian lower level leaders are starting to admit that their path is one of self-destruction.
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