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Teachers are paid too much! I'm fed up with teachers and their hefty salaries for only 9 months work! What we need here is a little perspective. If I had my way, I'd pay teachers baby sitting wages.

That's right. Instead of paying their current outrageous salaries, I'd give them $3.00 an hour. And, I'm only going to pay them for 6 hours of work, not planning time or lunches. That would be $18.00 a day. Each parent should pay $18.00 a day for these teachers to baby sit their children. Even if they have more than one child, it's still way cheaper than private day care.

Now, how many children do they teach a day? Maybe 25? That's $18.00 x 25 = $450.00 a day. But remember, they only work 180 days a year! I'm not going to pay them for all the vacations: $450.00 x 180 = $81,000.

What will teachers say about those who have 10 years of experience and a master's degree? Well, maybe (just to be fair) they could get the minimum wage. We can round that off to about $6.00 an hour. $6.00 x 6 x 25. That's $900 a day times 180 days. That's only $162,000.

Wait a minute! There's something wrong here... [:/]

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Right on.

As a college teacher I have to baby sit whiney teenagers that think they are adults but behave like frat boys. That should be worth more. Also I have to deal with PhD students that think they are special because they already have a Masters. Jeez!
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Teachers are paid too much! I'm fed up with teachers and their hefty salaries for only 9 months work!



Actually when you take two weeks at Christmas, week at spring break and every known holiday to man it's only 8 months.

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hehe...

My world religions teacher had a great solution to whiney frat boys.

If someone wasn't participating, he'd point at them and say "YOU! GET OUT! And come back when you're ready to learn something!" The first time, the class looked at him in shock. he looked at the student and said "well? didn't you hear me? begone!"

The student slunk out the door, and showed up the following class much better behaved.

He tossed a person or two out in each class he taught, sooner or later. Class behavior was much improved after witnessing that.

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Well, I'd gladly take $81,000 a year to teach. But who would pay for all that other stuff? The standardized tests we must give? The administrators? The custodians and support staff? Busing? Buildings? Would I have to kick back part of my pay to make everything work?

Yep, I'm contracted for 180 days. Which means that even though I do get two weeks at Christmas and one week in the spring, oh, and all that time in the summer, I'm not paid for that. Just the days I work, but not the evenings I correct papers and the weekends I go in to do the extra that I don't have time to do during the week, and the ... oh, you've probably heard it before.

If you think it's so easy and cushy, go get your credentials and find a job. Anyone can do it. I would suggest a week's observation of a teacher's job first. Not just an hour or two, but the whole thing. Just as there are jobs I'd never consider, and for which people are vastly underpaid, until you've really looked at teaching and its myriad of responsibilities, don't knock it.


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when I was a first year teacher, I was paid $23,000 a year. In Orange County, CA. I promise you, unless you want to live in a slum, you can't find an apartment that you can afford on a salary of $23K.

I had a full time job educating the youth of America, and I had to live with my parents, because I couldn't afford any better!

My ex-boyfriend (also a teacher) has to tend bar at a steakhouse four nights a week so he can make his house payment. He makes more money as a bartender than he does as a teacher. Kinda embarrassing when students come in with their parents to have dinner, though. Moral of the story: if you want your kids to have a good education, make sure the teacher makes enough money so they don't have to go out and get a second job. Teaching takes time and energy and attention.

sigh.

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I think most people agree that teachers deserve better pay... what they can't agree on is what other services get cut, because they don't want a tax increase...

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I think most people agree that teachers deserve better pay... what they can't agree on is what other services get cut, because they don't want a tax increase...

J



Easy solution - privatize all schools. Supply and demand will then set salaries,
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but then you have no one setting standards, and the kids whose parents have less money are going to end up at even shittier schools than they're at already, IF there's even a school there at all! Nobody's going to fulfill the "american dream" of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps if they can't get an education to begin with.

Privatization sounds good in theory, but in practice, you'd get a good percentage of the population who would be unable to get an education.

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but then you have no one setting standards, and the kids whose parents have less money are going to end up at even shittier schools than they're at already, IF there's even a school there at all! Nobody's going to fulfill the "american dream" of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps if they can't get an education to begin with.

Privatization sounds good in theory, but in practice, you'd get a good percentage of the population who would be unable to get an education.



Are you a socialist or something?:P Private school worked for Dubya.
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From what i could tell from my teachers, theirs is more than a job. Its a way of life. Sure there are some that are probably in the wrong line of work.....but for those who are truly dedicated, the effect they can have on a growing mind is priceless. I for one hate to see these people struggling to pay the rent or looking longingly at a car belonging to one of the brats they educate and take a lot of shit from. I owe a lot to my teachers and want them to enjoy the fruits of their labour....if that means my taxes pay their way so be it. To all the teachers out there....keep doing what you do, you are appreciated.

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Teachers are paid too much! I'm fed up with teachers and their hefty salaries for only 9 months work! What we need here is a little perspective. If I had my way, I'd pay teachers baby sitting wages.

What will teachers say about those who have 10 years of experience and a master's degree?



The Problem : You want someone to make less money than you. That is outside your control, instead try and make *more* money yourself.

Try and get a job as a teacher maybe? :)
I find this to be a classic pattern, there are so many people that whine at work, they always find something to whine about(I avoid going to lunch with them ;)). More often than not I've noticed that they fail to realize that what is holding them back from greater things is such negative thinking.

Edited to Add : *more*
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in many private schools teachers salaries are lower than in public schools. teachers are willing to take the pay cut because they get a better working environment.



Fallacy. The private schools have to do this because they are in competition with public schools that have their hands in the taxpayer's pocket. Eliminate public schools and that would change in a hurry.
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The Problem : You want someone to make less money than you. That is outside your control, instead try and make *more* money yourself.

Try and get a job as a teacher maybe? :)



On the contrary. The idea behind the post was to show that teachers are paid less than babysitters to educate our nation's future leaders. Frightening prospect! [:/]

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You forgot that when my kids run out of basic school supplies, I buy them. Out of my millions. Over half of the learning aides in my classroom are paid for out of my pocket as well. I get NO money to add things to my classroom and on average I spend about 1200 per year to add stuff to my room. I earn that money, as well as my SKYDIVING money at my second job.

Not to mention the time I spend going to one activity per year per child. The time I spend worrying, thinking and praying for each of my kids. I am at a title one school in an adaptive behavior kindergarten. Nor the time I spend shopping at Sat. morning garage sales for clothes for my kids who come in rags. Yes, it is true. My kids parents don't give a flip, most of them anyway. For years I supplied breakfast to my kids before we got federal funds to pay for it.

But guess what??? I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my kids. It is not a job for me, it is my life mission. And if I make a difference in ONE kids life, my life will have been worth it. I have never gotten up in the morning and not wanted to spend the day with my kids. Teachers attempt to take all the precious gifts of life placed in our hands and mold them into all they were created to be...That is why most of us teach!

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Nightingale is right. I teach in a private school and started with significantly less than a first year teacher in the local public school. Private schools also loose teachers to public because they need the extra money.

And while i have invested several hundred dollars each year in supplies for my kids, I usually can get what I ask for for my classes. The teaching environment is definately worth the difference in pay for me at least. I teach 5 classes ranging in size from 10 to 18 kids (compared to public typical class sizes upwards of 30), and the parents are usually very involved. It makes a difference. Kids rise to expectations, and the expectations to further education into college is standard for every student I teach. A good point was made about extra curricular stuff, I mean, everyone knows we spend hours every night grading and planning, but most of us also spend personal time regularly to go to games and plays and art shows and you name it, to show support for our kids. Like parents, but we have 80 kids to support. This year already I've been to a horse show, soccer game, volleyball games, football games, basketball games, a musical and a band concert. Oh yeah, and a Bat Mitzvah. I also often help my kids with homework over IM in the evenings. but like someone said, we do it becuase we LOVE the kids.

Kallen are you talking about secondary education teachers or college prof salaries?

ok, back to grading semester finals... :S

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Nightingale is right. I teach in a private school and started with significantly less than a first year teacher in the local public school. Private schools also loose teachers to public because they need the extra money.

And while i have invested several hundred dollars each year in supplies for my kids, I usually can get what I ask for for my classes. The teaching environment is definately worth the difference in pay for me at least. I teach 5 classes ranging in size from 10 to 18 kids (compared to public typical class sizes upwards of 30), and the parents are usually very involved. It makes a difference. Kids rise to expectations, and the expectations to further education into college is standard for every student I teach. A good point was made about extra curricular stuff, I mean, everyone knows we spend hours every night grading and planning, but most of us also spend personal time regularly to go to games and plays and art shows and you name it, to show support for our kids. Like parents, but we have 80 kids to support. This year already I've been to a horse show, soccer game, volleyball games, football games, basketball games, a musical and a band concert. Oh yeah, and a Bat Mitzvah. I also often help my kids with homework over IM in the evenings. but like someone said, we do it becuase we LOVE the kids.

Kallen are you talking about secondary education teachers or college prof salaries?

ok, back to grading semester finals... :S

peace
lew



What I said was that the existing mixed system corrupts the supply/demand balance with the result that private schools are undercut in the market by the (free) public schools. Hence privates have to pay their teachers less (on average).

Do you think Exxon could charge $1.48 for gas in Illinois if the state gave gas away free at the station down the street?

Any time the government intervenes in any form of transaction, the result is a corruption of free market principles.

Teachers suffer because of socialized education.
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