ltdiver 3 #1 January 5, 2004 http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/327/7429/1459 Excerpt from this article's conclusion! QuoteConclusions As with many interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of parachutes has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised controlled trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute. Geeze! Who wants to volunteer for their double blind study that includes a placebo?! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #2 January 5, 2004 That's it - I'm changing my sig line... (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testpilot 0 #3 January 5, 2004 I'll do some randomised controlled trials, even if they wont pay me for it. Dave D830 http://www.skydiving.co.za Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #4 January 5, 2004 Hahah, LOL! Man, these guys take the piss on the "evidence at all cost!" people in the health industry . Gotta show this to my sis. Also; read some of the replies to their article - they're pretty good too (example): Well done, an article to bring a smile to the reader. I have often proposed a similar randomized controlled trial with respect to other such obvious phenomenon as oxygen requirements in humans. Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 January 5, 2004 Quote The parachute industry has earned billions of dollars for vast multinational corporations whose profits depend on belief in the efficacy of their product. I wonder what Bill Booth would say about that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 January 5, 2004 Proof of what I've belived for a while, many a fuckwit got through med school! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #7 January 5, 2004 Quotehttp://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/327/7429/1459 Excerpt from this article's conclusion! QuoteConclusions As with many interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of parachutes has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised controlled trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute. Geeze! Who wants to volunteer for their double blind study that includes a placebo?! ltdiver heh, And the control group would not have one? edit: Oh Come on! You know I meant Parachute.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #8 January 5, 2004 QuoteProof of what I've belived for a while, many a fuckwit got through med school! You do know it's a piss take on the Scientific method don't youYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #9 January 5, 2004 oo ooo I like the wrapp up paragraphQuoteA call to (broken) arms Only two options exist. The first is that we accept that, under exceptional circumstances, common sense might be applied when considering the potential risks and benefits of interventions. The second is that we continue our quest for the holy grail of exclusively evidence based interventions and preclude parachute use outside the context of a properly conducted trial. The dependency we have created in our population may make recruitment of the unenlightened masses to such a trial difficult. If so, we feel assured that those who advocate evidence based medicine and criticise use of interventions that lack an evidence base will not hesitate to demonstrate their commitment by volunteering for a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial. You have to read the replies to the article some of them are a cack http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/327/7429/1459#44656You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #10 January 5, 2004 Man, this is good stuff... I am definitely passing this on...LOLOLOLOL...ROFLAO!!!! Hmmmm...a double blind trial...so there will be a scientist that doesn't know that he is not strapping a parachute to someone who doesn't know that he isn't strapping a parachute to his back...hmmmm...::ponders::...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 January 5, 2004 Yea I know, just had a bad day at work. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrAvalanche 0 #12 January 5, 2004 Hehehehe, and who said doctors don't have humor! "We Are The Light At The End Of Your Sorry Little Tunnel" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdD 1 #13 January 5, 2004 I bet they would still get government funding for that shit. Quack QuackLife is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gremlin 0 #14 January 5, 2004 Some of the replies are better than the original article. "One of the research assistants (I) tossed a coin privately and told the guy fixing the parachutes to put a functional parachute in one backpack and another identically-looking-and-feeling mass of fabric and ropes in the other backpack. ... Then, they jumped; the one with the parachute survived, the other guy died on impact (I, the outcome assessor was no longer blind to allocation). The survivor was psychologically devastated (felt worse than being dead) and killed himself 3 months later.... However, at 3 months there was no difference in mortality between the study arms; quality of life seemed worse for the subject in the parachute arm of the study. " Superb I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #15 January 5, 2004 Is this some sort of joke? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #16 January 5, 2004 I hereby declare that research PHD's shall make no attempt at humor."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
