chuteless 1 #51 February 26, 2004 Hi there Misskriss: I havent seen the movie, and because of the extensive violence, and portrayed as it actually was, I know I would become so emotional, I dont think I could sit throuh it. I know what Christ did for me, and It doesnt have to be reinforced. I believe this may not be equal to any other movie, and perhaps should be labelled a docu-drama. As for taking children to see it, I dont think they should, but that you will have to decide. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #52 February 26, 2004 If anyone is interested in finding out more behind the reason Jesus was crucified , and why it took place when and where it did, you might find some Spiritual guidance at the following website. www.covenantkeepers.co.uk I have been aware of this archeological discovery for some time now, and it will maybe help others understand what its all about. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #53 February 26, 2004 I'm glad that you have spoken up of the importance of Jesus (Isa) to Muslims. But Muslims also belive that Jesus was not crucified, that it was not possible for one so beloved of God to be put to death by man. I was brought up a Muslim and now pray in a Christian church. The most wise and prophetic thing that Christ ever said was this (Luke 12 49:53) "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." How sad and how true.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #54 February 26, 2004 Nice Bible quote. That pretty much sums up the reason for the controversy surrounding this topic. I also like your personal quote at the bottom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #55 February 26, 2004 Someone in a previous post had said that this was based on historical fact. That's simply not true. It's based on a best guess at what the historical facts might have been, based on very select (very biased) writings that can be no more considered "fact" than any other book you might read. ------------------------------------------------------ If you can watch a movie about the Holocaust or slavery in America and walk away saying the same thing, then I will say you have a point. Otherwise, I will say directly that you are part of the anti-Christian, liberal, left wing agenga that has unfortunately become so popular in the most of the American media today.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #56 February 26, 2004 ThanksWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,163 #57 February 26, 2004 I'm liberal, just to get that out of the way. "Schindler's List" was a brilliant movie about things that happened 60 years ago. It fictionalized some things about it, and there are people who remember many of the events. Oddly enough, being people, they don't necessarily agree on what was important! "The Passion of Christ" is apparently a brilliant movie about things that happened 2000 years ago. The chances that it fictionalized some things is high, because the chances that there is disagreement among the memories of people is high (after all, there are differences among the Gospels). Does that lessen either the Holocaust or Christianity? No. Wendy W. I tried to get something in there about conservatives being narrow-minded, short-sighted and bigoted, but, frankly, that would an unfair generalization of many people who call themselves conservatives There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,150 #58 February 26, 2004 QuoteAll I can is it was rough, but 99% accurate, probably the most accurate historical movie I have ever seen. Accurate according to who or what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #59 February 26, 2004 QuoteI'm liberal, just to get that out of the way. was a brilliant movie about things that happened 60 years ago. It fictionalized some things about it, and there are people who remember many of the events. Oddly enough, being people, they don't necessarily agree on what was important! "The Passion of Christ" is apparently a brilliant movie about things that happened 2000 years ago. The chances that it fictionalized some things is high, because the chances that there is disagreement among the memories of people is high (after all, there are differences among the Gospels). Does that lessen either the Holocaust or Christianity? No. Wendy W. I tried to get something in there about conservatives being narrow-minded, short-sighted and bigoted, but, frankly, that would an unfair generalization of many people who call themselves conservatives I said the movie was based on historical fact. Ofcourse there are going to be a few innacuracies for reasons you have already described. However, I have never heard anyone try to make a point of a slight inaccuracy in the movie "Schindler's List" to attempt to discredit it. The fact that I have heard so many people try to discredit this movie suggests to me that there is an agenda at work. I am not saying that all liberals are anti-Christian. However, long before this movie was in the headlines, I had noticed that anti-Christian rehtoric was becoming the norm as to what one can expect a liberal to echo.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #60 February 26, 2004 Liberal, conservative, blah blah. I don't care for either and am equally offended when being accused of being either, as all it amounts to is pigeonholing me into some group that makes it easier for people (usually aligning themselves with whatever the "opposing" group happens to be) to tell me that everything I believe or have opinions about is wrong. I can do without all that political labeling crap. That being said, why re-say what wmw999 has already done a fine job of saying. "Your mother's full of stupidjuice!" My Art Project Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,163 #61 February 26, 2004 QuoteI said the movie was based on historical fact. Ofcourse there are going to be a few innacuracies for reasons you have already described Actually, what you said was: QuoteAll I can is it was rough, but 99% accurate, probably the most accurate historical movie I have ever seen. It's hard to judge the historical accuracy of a movie that describes events of 2000 years ago to within 1%. And it might be that it's the most accurate historical movie you've ever seen, but without knowing the sample size of movies you've seen that claim to be historical, that's also hard to judge. Dogmatism isn't all it's cracked up to be. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #62 February 26, 2004 01010011 (83) 01101011 (107) 01111001 (121) 1000100 (132) 01100101 (101) 01101011 (107) 01101011 (107) 01100101 (101) 01110010 (114) Just curious. I don't do machine language. Is there significance to your binary quote? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #63 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteI said the movie was based on historical fact. Ofcourse there are going to be a few innacuracies for reasons you have already described Actually, what you said was: QuoteAll I can is it was rough, but 99% accurate, probably the most accurate historical movie I have ever seen. ------------------------------------------- Actually if you read my original post you will see that I did say it was based on historical fact as well. With a little deductive reasoning you will find that if I said 99% was accurate that leaves 1% inaccurate which is equivalent to a few inaccuracies. Now I am going to go work out and let somebody else take over.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,150 #64 February 26, 2004 QuoteJust curious. I don't do machine language. Is there significance to your binary quote? no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #65 February 26, 2004 That's cool. I broke it up into 9 octets and converted to decimal. I thought it might be "SkyDekker" or something like that. Again, I don't know jack about machine language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #66 February 26, 2004 QuoteThat's cool. I broke it up into 9 octets and converted to decimal. I thought it might be "SkyDekker" or something like that. Again, I don't know jack about machine language. It does, but it's in ASCII, not machine code. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aprilcat 0 #67 February 26, 2004 However, I have never heard anyone try to make a point of a slight inaccuracy in the movie "Schindler's List" to attempt to discredit it. The fact that I have heard so many people try to discredit this movie suggests to me that there is an agenda at work. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Spielbergh's work is discredited in many film schools not because of his technical or story-telling skills, but of his subject matter. Here, students went up one side of him and came down the other in re Shindlers List. The biggest complaint--that the film made Shindler appear as a 'champion' to the Jews, while in reality he was part of the Socialist machine. Older persons were disgusted; saying that he saved Jews to keep his factory running, not really to save lives. In trying to remember the film, Shindler WAS profitable until the Nazi's figured him out and threatened to take it all from him. The uproar began before the film was released. The disgust continues years after it has played the big houses. Many people REFUSE to see it based on their religious beliefs, which to me says they are ignorant to its true content and context. Spielburg also caught heat for 'Amistad', not because of the plagerism issue, but that some blacks didn't feel he should tell 'their' story. Come to think of it, Braveheart still has the United Kingdom discrediting William Wallace. Could this be just another case of 'don't tell MY story' by Christian groups on one side, and Jewish groups on the other side? I say its still just a movie and I will see it because I think Gibson makes quality film. A lot of people didn't know about Oskar Shindler and while he still came off as scum, his story was just that...a STORY. So as Bill Cosby says...be careful..you might actually LEARN something! Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #68 February 26, 2004 Thanks!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #69 February 26, 2004 Funny - "historical fact" "military intelligence" (I take exception to this one, but it's well recognized) "social science" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GARYC24 3 #70 February 26, 2004 I try to see it this weekend (if it rains like it is now) Or next week.. I'll have my usual small coke, small popcorn and a hotdog. Gary Calhoun C21378 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #71 February 26, 2004 QuoteNot criticising your religious beliefs, but you do realize that this is a movie that has been criticized by many biblical scholars and historians for being fairly inaccurate. I haven't seen the movie yet and am by no means a biblical scholar. But I have watched many interviews and discussions about this film. I find it amusing that it depends on what side of the fence you stand on, that decieds if this movie is accurate or not. Most of the Christain Clergy I have seen comment on the movie say that it is very accurate, while most of the Jewish Rabies that I have seen say that it is very innaccurate. When asked directly if he thought that the Jews killed Jesus his answer made sense to me. "Everybody killed Jesus." It wasn't just one group it was MAN that killed him. He wasn't killed just because some Jews wanted him dead. THis movie isn't about blame or who did what. It is simply the last 12 hours of his life. The purpose is to show us what he went through, the love that he had for us all, and just how great that love really was. That is why he is showing everything in such detail. He wants to make people really see what he went through for us and how much he loved us all.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #72 February 26, 2004 I see that the movie contains dialogue spoken in Assyrian Amazing. I can only think of one other film like it. What is your name? Sir Robin of Camelot. What is your quest? To seek the Holy Grail. What is the capital of Assyria? I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheBachelor 5 #73 February 26, 2004 I'll be seeing it this weekend. I have a feeling it will be hard to sit through.There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #74 February 26, 2004 AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Now, Everyone talks about the portrayal of Pilate being wrong in the film. Do not forget that Pilate decided to give the crowd a choice. Free Jesus or Barabbas(? someone correct the name here) a known and convicted murderer. They chose Barabbas. Pilate said, in reference to Christ, "I find no fault with this man." His fear of the crowd, however, prevented him from setting Christ free. The crowd killed Christ. And if I had been in that crowd, I most likely would have killed Him too. That is the point. Of course, as Luvtofly said. None of us could actually kill Christ. What He did, He did willingly out of love. He even said as much as He lay himself down on the cross. Our disobedience, however, made it necessary, and in that way we killed Him. Not Romans, not Jews, but mankind. And I for one will not forget the awesome gift He has given me. Thank you God, for Your grace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #75 February 27, 2004 You are totally correct. Thanks for expressing it so well. God Bless you for it Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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SkyDekker 1,150 #64 February 26, 2004 QuoteJust curious. I don't do machine language. Is there significance to your binary quote? no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #65 February 26, 2004 That's cool. I broke it up into 9 octets and converted to decimal. I thought it might be "SkyDekker" or something like that. Again, I don't know jack about machine language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #66 February 26, 2004 QuoteThat's cool. I broke it up into 9 octets and converted to decimal. I thought it might be "SkyDekker" or something like that. Again, I don't know jack about machine language. It does, but it's in ASCII, not machine code. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aprilcat 0 #67 February 26, 2004 However, I have never heard anyone try to make a point of a slight inaccuracy in the movie "Schindler's List" to attempt to discredit it. The fact that I have heard so many people try to discredit this movie suggests to me that there is an agenda at work. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Spielbergh's work is discredited in many film schools not because of his technical or story-telling skills, but of his subject matter. Here, students went up one side of him and came down the other in re Shindlers List. The biggest complaint--that the film made Shindler appear as a 'champion' to the Jews, while in reality he was part of the Socialist machine. Older persons were disgusted; saying that he saved Jews to keep his factory running, not really to save lives. In trying to remember the film, Shindler WAS profitable until the Nazi's figured him out and threatened to take it all from him. The uproar began before the film was released. The disgust continues years after it has played the big houses. Many people REFUSE to see it based on their religious beliefs, which to me says they are ignorant to its true content and context. Spielburg also caught heat for 'Amistad', not because of the plagerism issue, but that some blacks didn't feel he should tell 'their' story. Come to think of it, Braveheart still has the United Kingdom discrediting William Wallace. Could this be just another case of 'don't tell MY story' by Christian groups on one side, and Jewish groups on the other side? I say its still just a movie and I will see it because I think Gibson makes quality film. A lot of people didn't know about Oskar Shindler and while he still came off as scum, his story was just that...a STORY. So as Bill Cosby says...be careful..you might actually LEARN something! Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #69 February 26, 2004 Funny - "historical fact" "military intelligence" (I take exception to this one, but it's well recognized) "social science" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GARYC24 3 #70 February 26, 2004 I try to see it this weekend (if it rains like it is now) Or next week.. I'll have my usual small coke, small popcorn and a hotdog. Gary Calhoun C21378 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #71 February 26, 2004 QuoteNot criticising your religious beliefs, but you do realize that this is a movie that has been criticized by many biblical scholars and historians for being fairly inaccurate. I haven't seen the movie yet and am by no means a biblical scholar. But I have watched many interviews and discussions about this film. I find it amusing that it depends on what side of the fence you stand on, that decieds if this movie is accurate or not. Most of the Christain Clergy I have seen comment on the movie say that it is very accurate, while most of the Jewish Rabies that I have seen say that it is very innaccurate. When asked directly if he thought that the Jews killed Jesus his answer made sense to me. "Everybody killed Jesus." It wasn't just one group it was MAN that killed him. He wasn't killed just because some Jews wanted him dead. THis movie isn't about blame or who did what. It is simply the last 12 hours of his life. The purpose is to show us what he went through, the love that he had for us all, and just how great that love really was. That is why he is showing everything in such detail. He wants to make people really see what he went through for us and how much he loved us all.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #72 February 26, 2004 I see that the movie contains dialogue spoken in Assyrian Amazing. I can only think of one other film like it. What is your name? Sir Robin of Camelot. What is your quest? To seek the Holy Grail. What is the capital of Assyria? I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBachelor 5 #73 February 26, 2004 I'll be seeing it this weekend. I have a feeling it will be hard to sit through.There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #74 February 26, 2004 AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Now, Everyone talks about the portrayal of Pilate being wrong in the film. Do not forget that Pilate decided to give the crowd a choice. Free Jesus or Barabbas(? someone correct the name here) a known and convicted murderer. They chose Barabbas. Pilate said, in reference to Christ, "I find no fault with this man." His fear of the crowd, however, prevented him from setting Christ free. The crowd killed Christ. And if I had been in that crowd, I most likely would have killed Him too. That is the point. Of course, as Luvtofly said. None of us could actually kill Christ. What He did, He did willingly out of love. He even said as much as He lay himself down on the cross. Our disobedience, however, made it necessary, and in that way we killed Him. Not Romans, not Jews, but mankind. And I for one will not forget the awesome gift He has given me. Thank you God, for Your grace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #75 February 27, 2004 You are totally correct. Thanks for expressing it so well. God Bless you for it Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
