bertusgeert 1 #1 April 14, 2004 So I got a message on my phone that my DZ is getting a Turbine Westwind in this weekend... I have no clue what it is, and have searched all over for it... Anyone have pics? The only thing I can find is a Corporate Jet. Should I make plans to fight my boss to have this weekend off? Tell me more about this plane, and if it is cool or not. How many jumpers, how fast? Note: We usually only do 5 or 6 loads a day out of a 182 on weekends... i know that this weekend we have a shitload of tandems tho... --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #2 April 14, 2004 Westwind is a turbine mod of a beech 18. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #3 April 14, 2004 www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/c45.html Couldn't find a pic of a "Westwind" but scroll down on that page and then picture the aircraft with turbines on it instead of the radials. We got about 13 or so minutes to alti in the one that used to be here in Ohio. Make sure you guys get a GOOD brief from the pilot. That thing has CG issues. Also be VERY aware of how close both the tail and flap are to the jump door. It's not hard to hit either. Especially in the case of the tail and a pilot that hasn't given a sufficient cut. OK.....now that I have scared the shit out of you........ENJOY. Not a bad airplane to jump from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #4 April 14, 2004 What DZ? There are only a few flying jumpers in the US and I'm wondering who all has them now I've got 75-100 jumps in them. Nice solid planes. TailDraggers so you better have a good pilot at the helm. Big door, only slightly smaller then the Otter there, Tail is interesting but easy to miss.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #5 April 14, 2004 As others have stated, a turbine Westwind is a Beech 18 with turbine engines.... HERE is a pic of one... It may be a VOLPAR, which is a tricycle gear turbine Beech 18, in which case HERE is one picture, and HERE is another.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #6 April 14, 2004 Youre getting Jim Baron's Westwind this weekend. We usually fly it in Tennessee all season and we are anxiously awaiting it's arrival? Cant Jim throw those tandems out on the way or something??? Anyway, to answer your question, its similar to an Otter, but it has a bigger door. Have fun jumping.. then send it on it's way! We're waiting...... (tell Jim I said hurry up!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yardhippie 0 #7 April 14, 2004 I imagine it really depends on the engines. I used to jump one at my old dz. 14 min to 14' all day long on a hot summer day fully loaded. it used be able to get 14k in 10 min fully loaded, but thet was pushin it really hard. if you take a big chunk off the plane (and your not w/ it) beware the "hop" you'll get (depend on the pilot). over all: roomy, fast, big door, lots of fun!Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #8 April 14, 2004 QuoteWhat DZ? There are only a few flying jumpers in the US and I'm wondering who all has them now I've got 75-100 jumps in them. Nice solid planes. TailDraggers so you better have a good pilot at the helm. Big door, only slightly smaller then the Otter there, Tail is interesting but easy to miss. The original D-18 was a tail dragger with 450 P&W's, the Westwind conversion has tricycle gear and burns kerosene as in turbine.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wingnut 0 #9 April 14, 2004 i've jumped the westwind that used to be at phree's dz and it was supper fast.. climbed like 8 or 9 minutes to 13k easy.... nice big door but low tail......... once ya get used to the low tail it isn't bad at all..... the t-bone we have at our dz here in utah also has a low tail and once you get acustomed to it the tail isn't even hardly thought of on jumping... (well as long as you don't jump up to much to high out the door you woun't even notice it being soooooo low..... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #10 April 14, 2004 Yep... got 50-75 D-18 jumps. The Westwind III is still a taildragger though. http://www.skydiveswflorida.com/plane/plane1.jpg Tricycle gear was introduced with the VOPAR conversion. The Westwind in the pic is from my DZ. Its got I think PT6-20's or -24's on it. And I believe that it still uses JetA instead of K1.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bertusgeert 1 #11 April 14, 2004 Sweet then... I now jump at Kentucky Skydiving Center in Frankfort, Southeast of Louisville. I will def. fight my boss to get off then! THanx all! --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #12 April 17, 2004 QuoteYep... got 50-75 D-18 jumps. The Westwind III is still a taildragger though. http://www.skydiveswflorida.com/plane/plane1.jpg Tricycle gear was introduced with the VOPAR conversion. The Westwind in the pic is from my DZ. Its got I think PT6-20's or -24's on it. And I believe that it still uses JetA instead of K1. My bad, that is the first Westwind I have seen that was a taildragger. And JetA is just glorified kerosene. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites smooth 0 #13 April 17, 2004 QuoteYoure getting Jim Baron's Westwind this weekend. We usually fly it in Tennessee all season and we are anxiously awaiting it's arrival? Cant Jim throw those tandems out on the way or something??? Anyway, to answer your question, its similar to an Otter, but it has a bigger door. Have fun jumping.. then send it on it's way! We're waiting...... (tell Jim I said hurry up!) Believe me, the man has never been in a hurry! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bertusgeert 1 #14 April 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteYoure getting Jim Baron's Westwind this weekend. We usually fly it in Tennessee all season and we are anxiously awaiting it's arrival? Cant Jim throw those tandems out on the way or something??? Anyway, to answer your question, its similar to an Otter, but it has a bigger door. Have fun jumping.. then send it on it's way! We're waiting...... (tell Jim I said hurry up!) Believe me, the man has never been in a hurry! Yep, seems like it, cuz I took the friggin day off yesterday to sit at the airport waiting for the friggin plane, only to get a call at 4:30 that he cannot make it. A lot of friggin frustrated jumpers. No plane, no pilot, perfect weather. No westwind this weekend.... --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BlindBrick 0 #15 April 19, 2004 I've jumped one a few times. It's not a bad airplane. The tail a bit low but I've never seen that be an isuse. OTOH, if you are the last man out on a big formation, be careful as the tail has a tendancy to come up. My friend has his shins busted open through his jumpsuit by the bottom edge of the door when this happened. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skydive2 1 #16 April 20, 2004 QuoteIts got I think PT6-20's or -24's on it. And I believe that it still uses JetA instead of K1. I've never heard of a PT6-24. Most westwinds either have PT6-20's (same engines you seen on "regular" King Air's, and Twin Otters), or PT6-27's which most "super" Otters have. Lance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #17 April 20, 2004 QuoteAnd JetA is just glorified kerosene. Jet-A is a subset of kerosene. (The dock vs. pier thing.) I believe the appropriate spec is ASTM-D-1655. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 April 20, 2004 QuoteI believe the appropriate spec is ASTM-D-1655. Tell the truth.........you made that up......didn't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #19 April 20, 2004 FAA does'nt like it when you put K1 into turbines with out a STC stating you are approved to do that. The DZ knows about this one...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #20 April 20, 2004 QuoteThe DZ knows about this one... That sounds like a "WHOOOOPPPPSSSSS" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #21 April 20, 2004 Nope... but there was a lot of lessons learned with out it happening due to other things.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #22 April 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI believe the appropriate spec is ASTM-D-1655. Tell the truth.........you made that up......didn't you? Yup. Then I jammed Google full of pages about it. 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yardhippie 0 #7 April 14, 2004 I imagine it really depends on the engines. I used to jump one at my old dz. 14 min to 14' all day long on a hot summer day fully loaded. it used be able to get 14k in 10 min fully loaded, but thet was pushin it really hard. if you take a big chunk off the plane (and your not w/ it) beware the "hop" you'll get (depend on the pilot). over all: roomy, fast, big door, lots of fun!Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #8 April 14, 2004 QuoteWhat DZ? There are only a few flying jumpers in the US and I'm wondering who all has them now I've got 75-100 jumps in them. Nice solid planes. TailDraggers so you better have a good pilot at the helm. Big door, only slightly smaller then the Otter there, Tail is interesting but easy to miss. The original D-18 was a tail dragger with 450 P&W's, the Westwind conversion has tricycle gear and burns kerosene as in turbine.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #9 April 14, 2004 i've jumped the westwind that used to be at phree's dz and it was supper fast.. climbed like 8 or 9 minutes to 13k easy.... nice big door but low tail......... once ya get used to the low tail it isn't bad at all..... the t-bone we have at our dz here in utah also has a low tail and once you get acustomed to it the tail isn't even hardly thought of on jumping... (well as long as you don't jump up to much to high out the door you woun't even notice it being soooooo low..... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #10 April 14, 2004 Yep... got 50-75 D-18 jumps. The Westwind III is still a taildragger though. http://www.skydiveswflorida.com/plane/plane1.jpg Tricycle gear was introduced with the VOPAR conversion. The Westwind in the pic is from my DZ. Its got I think PT6-20's or -24's on it. And I believe that it still uses JetA instead of K1.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bertusgeert 1 #11 April 14, 2004 Sweet then... I now jump at Kentucky Skydiving Center in Frankfort, Southeast of Louisville. I will def. fight my boss to get off then! THanx all! --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #12 April 17, 2004 QuoteYep... got 50-75 D-18 jumps. The Westwind III is still a taildragger though. http://www.skydiveswflorida.com/plane/plane1.jpg Tricycle gear was introduced with the VOPAR conversion. The Westwind in the pic is from my DZ. Its got I think PT6-20's or -24's on it. And I believe that it still uses JetA instead of K1. My bad, that is the first Westwind I have seen that was a taildragger. And JetA is just glorified kerosene. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 0 #13 April 17, 2004 QuoteYoure getting Jim Baron's Westwind this weekend. We usually fly it in Tennessee all season and we are anxiously awaiting it's arrival? Cant Jim throw those tandems out on the way or something??? Anyway, to answer your question, its similar to an Otter, but it has a bigger door. Have fun jumping.. then send it on it's way! We're waiting...... (tell Jim I said hurry up!) Believe me, the man has never been in a hurry! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bertusgeert 1 #14 April 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteYoure getting Jim Baron's Westwind this weekend. We usually fly it in Tennessee all season and we are anxiously awaiting it's arrival? Cant Jim throw those tandems out on the way or something??? Anyway, to answer your question, its similar to an Otter, but it has a bigger door. Have fun jumping.. then send it on it's way! We're waiting...... (tell Jim I said hurry up!) Believe me, the man has never been in a hurry! Yep, seems like it, cuz I took the friggin day off yesterday to sit at the airport waiting for the friggin plane, only to get a call at 4:30 that he cannot make it. A lot of friggin frustrated jumpers. No plane, no pilot, perfect weather. No westwind this weekend.... --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #15 April 19, 2004 I've jumped one a few times. It's not a bad airplane. The tail a bit low but I've never seen that be an isuse. OTOH, if you are the last man out on a big formation, be careful as the tail has a tendancy to come up. My friend has his shins busted open through his jumpsuit by the bottom edge of the door when this happened. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydive2 1 #16 April 20, 2004 QuoteIts got I think PT6-20's or -24's on it. And I believe that it still uses JetA instead of K1. I've never heard of a PT6-24. Most westwinds either have PT6-20's (same engines you seen on "regular" King Air's, and Twin Otters), or PT6-27's which most "super" Otters have. Lance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #17 April 20, 2004 QuoteAnd JetA is just glorified kerosene. Jet-A is a subset of kerosene. (The dock vs. pier thing.) I believe the appropriate spec is ASTM-D-1655. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 April 20, 2004 QuoteI believe the appropriate spec is ASTM-D-1655. Tell the truth.........you made that up......didn't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #19 April 20, 2004 FAA does'nt like it when you put K1 into turbines with out a STC stating you are approved to do that. The DZ knows about this one...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 April 20, 2004 QuoteThe DZ knows about this one... That sounds like a "WHOOOOPPPPSSSSS" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #21 April 20, 2004 Nope... but there was a lot of lessons learned with out it happening due to other things.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #22 April 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI believe the appropriate spec is ASTM-D-1655. Tell the truth.........you made that up......didn't you? Yup. Then I jammed Google full of pages about it. I am bad. I'm like the worst of Turtle and the worst of Sunshine put together, filtered, and mentholated. With whipped cream on top every 100 jumps. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
