glgflyer 0 #1 August 12, 2009 Has anyone here used the rubber bandless deployment bag made in Belgium called the Lazy Bag? If so, I would like to hear some comments about it. Most importantly, IS IT SAFE? Is it bulkier than a regular d-bag? I am interested in giving it a try but would like to hear from those who are familiar with it before doing so. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #2 August 12, 2009 i hate to say it, but use the search-function.. other than that, i know two guys that jump one, and they're happy with it!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #3 August 12, 2009 see here for exampleThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glgflyer 0 #4 August 12, 2009 Actually, I did use the search function and found a lot of posts about the lazy bag but they were all from several years ago and most were overseas. What I really want to know is there anyone who regularly visits dropzone.com who is using this bag now (preferably in the states), and if so I would like their comments on it. I saw the video on how to close it and I really like the idea of not using stow bands, but only if it is just as safe as a regular d-bag. So if there are any users in the states who are using the "Lazy Bag" please post your experiences with it. Thanks a lot. Also, thanks for your post virgin-burner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P-dro 0 #5 August 12, 2009 I dont really understand how an experience overseas is not as informative as an experience in the US... Just in case we have a team in France equiped with lazy bags, and they have hundreds of jumps, most probably thousands with them and they like it very much.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #6 August 12, 2009 Quote I dont really understand how an experience overseas is not as informative as an experience in the US... Just in case we have a team in France equiped with lazy bags, and they have hundreds of jumps, most probably thousands with them and they like it very much.... yup, i wonder about that too.. apparently, those type of d-bags, like the one from basik too (french) ARE made by europeans, and not americans.. logic says they will be more common here, but my logic might be flawed there.. also, if you'd fill out your profile we could determine about which side of the pond you actually refer to.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glgflyer 0 #7 August 12, 2009 I really want to apologize for the way my statement sounded. I did not mean it to sound that way at all. I was just hoping to possibly locate someone close by that had one that I could look at before dishing out the $141. I do value your opinions and comments very much and I really hope you will accept my apology. The info you gave about the team in France being equipped with the lazy bag and having many jumps on them was very helpful information. Again, I do apologize for a very poorly worded statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #8 August 13, 2009 dont get all defensive now.. rough crowd in here! 141$!? considering a complete rig is somewhere around five grand.. well, its a small price! i'm pretty sure you spent that much money for more stupid stuff, i sure know i have.. besides, if you'd bought one, it could be YOU giving out that information close by you.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #9 August 13, 2009 I have over 1000 jumps with a lazy bag. I am very happy with it. Lot's of happy users of them in Belgium. Only be sure that you use it correctly. There are 2 versions of it (with velcro, without velcro) and the mpod (with magnets). If you use packers, be sure that they know how to use them. The two "closing strings" of the (older) velcro version lazy bag must be stowed double folded. If you do that with the non-velcro version, you just have packed a baglock (so do not double fold them With the MPOD, no closing strings needed anymore. I owned the 3 versions and I have to say that I realy like the non-velcro version and the MPOD. I only bought the MPOD recently. I prefer not to use a "normal" D bag anymore. For more info, look at: http://www.compal.be/ http://www.pgasus.be/ The lazy bag is as save as a normal D bag (or better). The only disadvantage: if it is made for a certain packvolume, do not a bigger canopy in it. Probably it will not stay closed. The mPod is heavier than a normal bag (due to the magnets). The openings are as good as with a normal D bag or even better. Gr Jurgen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #10 August 13, 2009 if you take a look on how lazy bags are built, there is some serious sewing into it, so 140 u.s. seems pretty fair to meThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydivesg 6 #11 August 13, 2009 I know Scott Roberts of the Fasttrax swoop team makes his own bandless bag. My son has jumped one for more than a year and he really likes it.Be the canopy pilot you want that other guy to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glgflyer 0 #12 August 14, 2009 Thank you guys very much for all the good info on the bandless deployment bags. I think I've decided to give the lazy bag a try. You have been very helpful and and I really appreciate the detailed info. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #13 August 14, 2009 Is there any way to make a magnetic POD that is less sensitive to changes in pack volume? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #14 August 14, 2009 Think! Loops can bend. Can magnets bend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blink 0 #15 August 14, 2009 Magnets sewn in different locations, like strips, this way you could just "select" the tightes size? I imagine they're using Neodymium (Rare-eath) magnets? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #16 August 14, 2009 Sorry to raise the "line dump" spectre but couldn't the magnetic version deploy out of sequence if the "locking" magnets came undone somehow before the lines were out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #17 August 16, 2009 How can you get line dump with a normal bag? How can the magnets come undone? I cannot say that it will never happen, but the probability will be much lower. Jurgen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #18 August 16, 2009 QuoteMagnets sewn in different locations, like strips, this way you could just "select" the tightes size? Possible but not desirable. It will create more problems. If you have a bigger canopy than the size your container is made for, buy a bigger bag. More magnets = more weight + higher prices QuoteI imagine they're using Neodymium (Rare-eath) magnets? I don't know, but shoot the maker an e-mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #19 August 16, 2009 QuoteIs there any way to make a magnetic POD that is less sensitive to changes in pack volume? No problem (or read: the same rules apply as with a normal bag) if the canopy is smaller. If the canopy is bigger, the magnets still have to be aligned in order to close the bag. bBut shoot the rigger who makes them an e-mail See http://www.pgasus.be/ Or just order a bigger bag in that case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #20 August 17, 2009 Quote How can you get line dump with a normal bag? As far as I've been able to gather (much discussion, I'm still learning) you can't. The idea being that if the canopy is opening/open before the lines are stretched, you can have a hard opening. Quote How can the magnets come undone? I said if but I was picturing an odd opening on a tight container with a sloppy pack job (I'm guilty!) or some of the excess in the bottom of the container grabbing the top flap and opening it. Don't get me wrong, I love magnets, they're awesome but I'm just asking the question to get the opinions of people who know more about this than me... i.e. just about everyone. Quote I cannot say that it will never happen, but the probability will be much lower. Lower relative to what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #21 August 17, 2009 Quote Quote How can you get line dump with a normal bag? As far as I've been able to gather (much discussion, I'm still learning) you can't. The idea being that if the canopy is opening/open before the lines are stretched, you can have a hard opening. No line dump possible with a normal bag????? Please use bigger rubber bands or old, worn-out ones ready to snap . Line dump with a normal bag happens when a rubber band or tube stow snaps during/before the opening or when the lines are not tight enough kept by the rubber bands or tube stows or … Quote Quote How can the magnets come undone? I said if but I was picturing an odd opening on a tight container with a sloppy pack job (I'm guilty!) or some of the excess in the bottom of the container grabbing the top flap and opening it. Don't get me wrong, I love magnets, they're awesome but I'm just asking the question to get the opinions of people who know more about this than me... i.e. just about everyone. I am also a very sloppy packer, so no worries, I have already tested that for you ;-) If the container can grap the topflap of your lazybag, it also can grab the closingflap of a normal bag. I do not understand your concern. The magnets close very firmly. Just do not use a bag which is too small for the canopy. Quote Quote I cannot say that it will never happen, but the probability will be much lower. Lower relative to what? Lower than with a normal bag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #22 August 17, 2009 Maybe I mis-characterized the discussions, maybe what people were saying was that, in most cases, people weren't getting line dump when they said they were? Hard openings were due to poor slider control when packing? Wouldn't line dump require all locking stows coming undone though? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #23 August 17, 2009 i still believe that line-dump is a myth..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pantanal 0 #24 August 17, 2009 Hey Rob, Jerôme Bunker has a similar system, small pack. Look at his web site: www.basik.fr cheers Gui D31713prego Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #25 August 17, 2009 Agreed! The only time my Sabre 1 slapped me was when I lost control of the slider as I shoved it into the d-bag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
