airtwardo 6 #1 April 5, 2005 Quick rant~ We live in a 'Yuppie' community North of Houston that has been and is still growing way beyond what was likely planned. The traffic at peak hours can be a nightmare. There are only two exits in town for the freeway to head for downtown Houston, and they, like many of the roads here can't handle to flow of traffic. Yesterday morning my oldest son got hit by a car while riding his bike to school. He was on the sidewalk crossing an exit driveway where cars dropping students off re enter the street. The person that hit him was likely 'multi-tasking' behind the wheel, no doubt running late. My speculation is that they were in a rush to get into the slight break in traffic and didn't look at the kids crossing ten feet in front. Accelerating hard...my guy was hit with the center of the vehicle throwing him 10-15 feet in the air, first impact being his neck on the sharp edge of a sign. He's sore and will recover. It could have been MUCH worst. Could EASILY have killed him! I went to the site this morning to sit back and watch. I was amazed at the number of close calls, eight to be exact...instances in which someone could have been seriously injured....45 MINUTES! IN A SCHOOL ZONE!!!! People on the phone...fixing make-up...yelling at back seat riders...eating...READING! I'm a very cautious driver...30 years of being on a motorcycle, it's habit. But for those who may not be... PLEASE take a moment and think about the concequences, to yourself and others. It just takes one second in a lapse of focus. End Rant. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #2 April 5, 2005 OMG!!! Your poor little guy!! I hope the "multi-tasking" idiot who did that is taking full resposibility? My best friend once got bumped by someone exiting across a sidewalk without looking. They didn't even apologize. Grr. I have about a three-page rant building up, so I'm gonna step out now... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davedlg 0 #3 April 5, 2005 wow. Glad to see he is okay. You really gotta be careful out there...there are so many people who drive while talking on cell phones, looking at their I-pod, changing radio stations, putting on makeup, eating a big mac, or doing everything but paying attention to where their SUV is going. Hope your son has a speedy recovery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #4 April 5, 2005 I pass through 2 school zones on the way to work each day. I'm not sure why, but I see 3x the number of car accidents in the school zones than I do on the rest of the 30 mile drive. Seems like it should be the other way around. Glad he's Ok! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites blueskyserenity 0 #5 April 5, 2005 You have every right to rant! Sorry to hear about your son and I'm so thankful it wasn't worse. I hope people will read this and SLOW down.I like coconuts. You can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,178 #6 April 5, 2005 That's a very mild rant. I'd be a lot louder. I hope you guys have the information about the driver. I nearly got popped on my bicycle many years ago under similar circumstances. The driver said she'd gotten tired of waiting to pull into traffic. You blood must have run cold. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brian425 0 #7 April 5, 2005 OUCH!!! Hope he heals up fast. I don't know how you had the restraint not to pound that driver. All the best to your son and hopes for a speedy recover. B The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #8 April 5, 2005 Jim, Damn... that is one nasty gash. Glad your son will be okay. If it were me, I might have drug the SOB driver out and beat the hell out of him! Send the same letter you wrote here to the local newspaper's editorials or to their traffic beat column. Heck, why not send the newspaper those same photos. Make a story out of it to help raise awareness out there. It would help get the point across to all those idiots out there. Heal fast kid..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #9 April 5, 2005 That's fucked up. I can't believe people could be so careless, especially in a school zone!! I'm glad your boy is going to be okay. He's lucky. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites foxyroxtail 0 #10 April 5, 2005 That is TERRIBLE!! The photos are downright scary. Kudos to you on your restraint, as I'm assuming you haven't popped the guy yet. Driving behaviour has become a study in our feeling of self-importance. Everyone thinks whatever they are doing and wherever they are going is more important than that of anyone else using the same roads, adjacent sidewalks and general space. How selfish. I hope the gash heals well, and thank heavens the outcome was only as bad as this. (ooo, That may have been a rant - didn't know it was in there! ) ________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #11 April 5, 2005 Amen to that. I was hit (as a pedestrian) by a guy who ran a red light, slammed into another car ($13,000 worth of damage to the vehicle, fortunately, no damage to the two occupants), and slammed into me and threw me into a utility box. Apparently he was on a cell phone at the time... Glad to hear your son is going to be okay. At least he's got a cool scar to show off! If there's anything that can be improved at the intersection to make it safer for pedestrians/cyclists, I encourage you to get in touch with the appropriate local authorities (city, county, whatever applies). After three nearly identical accidents at the same intersection (one in which a pedestrian was killed, my accident, and another one that didn't involve a pedestrian), we were able to get the city traffic engineers to come out, look at the intersection, and look at the data and make some changes."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #12 April 5, 2005 Wow that is some Frankenstein like scar. I hope he heals up fast. I know your son will remember that day for the rest of his life. Glad he made it through with minimal injury. I was hit by a van, actually a rear-side mounted mirror of a van, on July 8, 1974 while riding a bicycle, exactly one month before Nixon resigned. I left work early because I was not feeling well. I was riding on the white line of a two-lane road. It was high noon and around 100 degrees out. The mirror clipped my left upper arm and threw me over the handlebars. A woman from a house right there came out and asked for my name and phone number. She called my Mom. By then the ambulance and cops had arrived. I told the emergency person that my arm was not broken. But the flesh was severely damaged. The flesh hung down to the ground when I sat up and lifted my elbow up even with my shoulder. These emergency guys said to lay down and put one of those plastic inflatable braces on my arm. I kept saying my arm was not broken. Then I asked for some shade. I wasn't feeling well and the sun was not making me feel better. It was 100 degrees out. Some cop took his hat off and gave me some shade. In the ER, a DR wanted to cut off my shirt. I said I'll just take it off. He wouldn't let me do that. I kept saying my arm was not broken. He cut off my shirt. I get x-rayed. Gosh - your arm isn't broken. Duh?! They kept me over night for observation. My parents sued for costs. I guess it was 3x the actual costs. The lawyer got 1/3. We even had to go to court for the driver. The driver was a 16 yo. I was 17 at the time. I bought my first motorcycle with the money! It was a Yamaha 250 Enduro. Bike riding, whether bicycle or motorcycle, does make you a better 4-wheeled vehicle driver. I've lost count of the number of people trying to kill me on my bicycle or motorcycle. Idiots that direct traffic from inside their cars and whimsically change the rules of the road are the worst. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #13 April 5, 2005 Damn. I'm glad he's going to be okay. That's pretty freakin bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sweetillusions 0 #14 April 5, 2005 Ouch! So glad he is ok. There was just a 5 year old little boy killed in a town near me. He had just gotten off the bus which was still stopped and had it's red flashers on, when a woman on a cell phone drove around it and hit him. State law in Ohio is that you must stop for school buses when they have those red lights flashing. I'm not sure about everywhere else. It is truly sad and makes you think about how precious life is and how quickly something can happen. News Report Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #15 April 5, 2005 Jim, not all drivers are 'multi-tasking', so are just rude. I walk my dogs everyday. On the loop back home I put the dogs back on their leashes since we now have to walk on the sidewalk. There are two neighborhood streets that I cross, and they both have stop signs, giving me the right away. I always have to stop, and let the cars go first, as they seem to be blind when ever they approach those stop signs.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #16 April 5, 2005 did the driver at least spill his/her coffee all over and get burned? Glad to hear this is a bad news/good news story and not a bad news story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #17 April 5, 2005 QuoteKudos to you on your restraint, as I'm assuming you haven't popped the guy yet. *** I was too busy to be angry at the time... The stupidity was rampent! The crossing guard made him get up, with blood gushing out of the wound...and walk 150 yards to the nurses office. I got a call from our other son on his cell just seconds after it happened. He was few feet ahead, our daughter a few feet behind. I was there within minutes... I walked into the nurses office to find him sitting upright in a chair holding pressure with a gauze bandage. I have some EM training and guess I went into auto pilot. I gently layed him down and requested a blanket since he was obviously in shock with pulse and breathing erratic. I asked for an ETA on the ambulance... which was only then called. Asking the nurse to use her BP cuff to monitor vitals I inquired if it was accepted proceedure to 'walk' a trama victim anywhere... Were there broken bones..spinal injury.. internal injuries? Amazed at what was going on, I pulled the bandage to see if there might be a 'pumper' considering the amount of blood and the area of the injury. Glad to see the wires & pipes intact and the bleeding was tissue vessels...although there was a 3-4 cm lateral slice on the neck muscle. I was relieved when the fire - rescue guys got there with a cervical brace and a back board. They had been looking for him outside, and also couldn't believe he'd been moved! I didn't get emotional until I was in the ER with him following the Xrays and preping for the needle work. I had to hold him at an angle so that the Dr. could work..and NOTHING I could do eased his fear or comforted the pain he was in. If just ONE person reads this and perhaps gives a little thought while driving today.... Maybe at least something good has come out of this mess. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites YahooLV 0 #18 April 5, 2005 HOLY CRAP! I hope everything is OK. Go after them for everything! (Your son just got college paid for!) Best Wishes. Curthttp://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #19 April 5, 2005 Damn Jim, I hope you at least bring all these problems to the attention of the superintendant. Officials need to know about serious stuff like this. It might save someone in the future. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,178 #20 April 5, 2005 What he said. Only in a cold, commanding voice, speaking to the principal and the superintendent. Maybe a mandatory emergency-response class for the crossing guards. That's astounding. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rainbo 0 #21 April 5, 2005 Glad things look good for your boy at this time. You obviously have much more restraint than I. I can think of at least two people that would be in my shallow grave book after that entire incident.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #22 April 5, 2005 Holy shit! I'm glad your son is basically ok... Do you have the driver's information? License plate, insurance, etc? Have you called your lawyer?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mccurley 0 #23 April 5, 2005 I hope your boy isn't too tramatized by all this and makes a swift recovery. I don't know how I'd react if the same happened to one of my kids. At least two people need a swift kick up the bum for this one, the driver of course (who should be made fully responsible for his actions) and the nurse or who ever else is responsible for emergencies at this school. Peoples kids are in the schools care and the school has a responsability to those kids and thier families to ensure that when something like this happens, the response is handled in the correct manner. Make some noise about it at the school and make them address the obvious shortcomings in the way they handled the situation.Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #24 April 5, 2005 QuoteWhat he said. Only in a cold, commanding voice, speaking to the principal and the superintendent. Maybe a mandatory emergency-response class for the crossing guards. That's astounding. Wendy W. Exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like the school *nurse?* needs a little refresher too.... This is unbelievable. I think I'd have to be SURE that this is not brushed under the table. It's bad enough that your son was hit, but this kind of response by the school is absolutely appalling! Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. 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blueskyserenity 0 #5 April 5, 2005 You have every right to rant! Sorry to hear about your son and I'm so thankful it wasn't worse. I hope people will read this and SLOW down.I like coconuts. You can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,178 #6 April 5, 2005 That's a very mild rant. I'd be a lot louder. I hope you guys have the information about the driver. I nearly got popped on my bicycle many years ago under similar circumstances. The driver said she'd gotten tired of waiting to pull into traffic. You blood must have run cold. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #7 April 5, 2005 OUCH!!! Hope he heals up fast. I don't know how you had the restraint not to pound that driver. All the best to your son and hopes for a speedy recover. B The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #8 April 5, 2005 Jim, Damn... that is one nasty gash. Glad your son will be okay. If it were me, I might have drug the SOB driver out and beat the hell out of him! Send the same letter you wrote here to the local newspaper's editorials or to their traffic beat column. Heck, why not send the newspaper those same photos. Make a story out of it to help raise awareness out there. It would help get the point across to all those idiots out there. Heal fast kid..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #9 April 5, 2005 That's fucked up. I can't believe people could be so careless, especially in a school zone!! I'm glad your boy is going to be okay. He's lucky. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxyroxtail 0 #10 April 5, 2005 That is TERRIBLE!! The photos are downright scary. Kudos to you on your restraint, as I'm assuming you haven't popped the guy yet. Driving behaviour has become a study in our feeling of self-importance. Everyone thinks whatever they are doing and wherever they are going is more important than that of anyone else using the same roads, adjacent sidewalks and general space. How selfish. I hope the gash heals well, and thank heavens the outcome was only as bad as this. (ooo, That may have been a rant - didn't know it was in there! ) ________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #11 April 5, 2005 Amen to that. I was hit (as a pedestrian) by a guy who ran a red light, slammed into another car ($13,000 worth of damage to the vehicle, fortunately, no damage to the two occupants), and slammed into me and threw me into a utility box. Apparently he was on a cell phone at the time... Glad to hear your son is going to be okay. At least he's got a cool scar to show off! If there's anything that can be improved at the intersection to make it safer for pedestrians/cyclists, I encourage you to get in touch with the appropriate local authorities (city, county, whatever applies). After three nearly identical accidents at the same intersection (one in which a pedestrian was killed, my accident, and another one that didn't involve a pedestrian), we were able to get the city traffic engineers to come out, look at the intersection, and look at the data and make some changes."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #12 April 5, 2005 Wow that is some Frankenstein like scar. I hope he heals up fast. I know your son will remember that day for the rest of his life. Glad he made it through with minimal injury. I was hit by a van, actually a rear-side mounted mirror of a van, on July 8, 1974 while riding a bicycle, exactly one month before Nixon resigned. I left work early because I was not feeling well. I was riding on the white line of a two-lane road. It was high noon and around 100 degrees out. The mirror clipped my left upper arm and threw me over the handlebars. A woman from a house right there came out and asked for my name and phone number. She called my Mom. By then the ambulance and cops had arrived. I told the emergency person that my arm was not broken. But the flesh was severely damaged. The flesh hung down to the ground when I sat up and lifted my elbow up even with my shoulder. These emergency guys said to lay down and put one of those plastic inflatable braces on my arm. I kept saying my arm was not broken. Then I asked for some shade. I wasn't feeling well and the sun was not making me feel better. It was 100 degrees out. Some cop took his hat off and gave me some shade. In the ER, a DR wanted to cut off my shirt. I said I'll just take it off. He wouldn't let me do that. I kept saying my arm was not broken. He cut off my shirt. I get x-rayed. Gosh - your arm isn't broken. Duh?! They kept me over night for observation. My parents sued for costs. I guess it was 3x the actual costs. The lawyer got 1/3. We even had to go to court for the driver. The driver was a 16 yo. I was 17 at the time. I bought my first motorcycle with the money! It was a Yamaha 250 Enduro. Bike riding, whether bicycle or motorcycle, does make you a better 4-wheeled vehicle driver. I've lost count of the number of people trying to kill me on my bicycle or motorcycle. Idiots that direct traffic from inside their cars and whimsically change the rules of the road are the worst. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #13 April 5, 2005 Damn. I'm glad he's going to be okay. That's pretty freakin bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetillusions 0 #14 April 5, 2005 Ouch! So glad he is ok. There was just a 5 year old little boy killed in a town near me. He had just gotten off the bus which was still stopped and had it's red flashers on, when a woman on a cell phone drove around it and hit him. State law in Ohio is that you must stop for school buses when they have those red lights flashing. I'm not sure about everywhere else. It is truly sad and makes you think about how precious life is and how quickly something can happen. News Report Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #15 April 5, 2005 Jim, not all drivers are 'multi-tasking', so are just rude. I walk my dogs everyday. On the loop back home I put the dogs back on their leashes since we now have to walk on the sidewalk. There are two neighborhood streets that I cross, and they both have stop signs, giving me the right away. I always have to stop, and let the cars go first, as they seem to be blind when ever they approach those stop signs.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #16 April 5, 2005 did the driver at least spill his/her coffee all over and get burned? Glad to hear this is a bad news/good news story and not a bad news story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #17 April 5, 2005 QuoteKudos to you on your restraint, as I'm assuming you haven't popped the guy yet. *** I was too busy to be angry at the time... The stupidity was rampent! The crossing guard made him get up, with blood gushing out of the wound...and walk 150 yards to the nurses office. I got a call from our other son on his cell just seconds after it happened. He was few feet ahead, our daughter a few feet behind. I was there within minutes... I walked into the nurses office to find him sitting upright in a chair holding pressure with a gauze bandage. I have some EM training and guess I went into auto pilot. I gently layed him down and requested a blanket since he was obviously in shock with pulse and breathing erratic. I asked for an ETA on the ambulance... which was only then called. Asking the nurse to use her BP cuff to monitor vitals I inquired if it was accepted proceedure to 'walk' a trama victim anywhere... Were there broken bones..spinal injury.. internal injuries? Amazed at what was going on, I pulled the bandage to see if there might be a 'pumper' considering the amount of blood and the area of the injury. Glad to see the wires & pipes intact and the bleeding was tissue vessels...although there was a 3-4 cm lateral slice on the neck muscle. I was relieved when the fire - rescue guys got there with a cervical brace and a back board. They had been looking for him outside, and also couldn't believe he'd been moved! I didn't get emotional until I was in the ER with him following the Xrays and preping for the needle work. I had to hold him at an angle so that the Dr. could work..and NOTHING I could do eased his fear or comforted the pain he was in. If just ONE person reads this and perhaps gives a little thought while driving today.... Maybe at least something good has come out of this mess. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YahooLV 0 #18 April 5, 2005 HOLY CRAP! I hope everything is OK. Go after them for everything! (Your son just got college paid for!) Best Wishes. Curthttp://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #19 April 5, 2005 Damn Jim, I hope you at least bring all these problems to the attention of the superintendant. Officials need to know about serious stuff like this. It might save someone in the future. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,178 #20 April 5, 2005 What he said. Only in a cold, commanding voice, speaking to the principal and the superintendent. Maybe a mandatory emergency-response class for the crossing guards. That's astounding. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #21 April 5, 2005 Glad things look good for your boy at this time. You obviously have much more restraint than I. I can think of at least two people that would be in my shallow grave book after that entire incident.Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 April 5, 2005 Holy shit! I'm glad your son is basically ok... Do you have the driver's information? License plate, insurance, etc? Have you called your lawyer?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 0 #23 April 5, 2005 I hope your boy isn't too tramatized by all this and makes a swift recovery. I don't know how I'd react if the same happened to one of my kids. At least two people need a swift kick up the bum for this one, the driver of course (who should be made fully responsible for his actions) and the nurse or who ever else is responsible for emergencies at this school. Peoples kids are in the schools care and the school has a responsability to those kids and thier families to ensure that when something like this happens, the response is handled in the correct manner. Make some noise about it at the school and make them address the obvious shortcomings in the way they handled the situation.Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #24 April 5, 2005 QuoteWhat he said. Only in a cold, commanding voice, speaking to the principal and the superintendent. Maybe a mandatory emergency-response class for the crossing guards. That's astounding. Wendy W. Exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like the school *nurse?* needs a little refresher too.... This is unbelievable. I think I'd have to be SURE that this is not brushed under the table. It's bad enough that your son was hit, but this kind of response by the school is absolutely appalling! Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #25 April 5, 2005 I'm glad your son is going to be OK. edited to add: I agree with the posts above. Bring this to the attention of the superintendant - some educating needs to be done. Having EMT training you know this could have been much worse.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites