boomslang 0 #1 November 21, 2008 I know that variables are present. I am just looked for an average range. For example, a 176 PD Reserve loaded at 1.0. Videos would be very helpful if any can be found! Thank you for your timeCats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #2 November 21, 2008 Any particular reason for wanting this info? I saw a guy under a snivelling reserve which popped at around 80-100 feet. He did flare but still hit the ground like a ton of shit. He was lucky and walked away. There are so many variables. Are you pulling at terminal? Are you chopping a main with a skyhook at 200 feet? Here's an idea. You could take it lower and lower and see if you make it and when you don't we will have a definitive answer - for you, under your reserve at least. I wouldn't however recommend this approach... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomslang 0 #3 November 21, 2008 ouchCats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #4 November 21, 2008 Quote Here's an idea. You could take it lower and lower and see if you make it and when you don't we will have a definitive answer - for you, under your reserve at least. I wouldn't however recommend this approach... the information would only be valid for that one time, we'd need him to do it a few more times and run an average just so we can tell HIM WHEN HE IS A LITTLE LOWYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #5 November 21, 2008 Depends on how fast YOU are...You can pull it at 50-60 feet and start flaring as soon as the risers come out... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #6 November 21, 2008 First, if you have a reserve you have to flare to survive the landing it's too small IMHO. Remember if you don't release the brakes it's not in full flight. This question is moot. If you need the reserve you open it as high as possible. If your looking for a minimum altitude for initiating reserve procedures look in the SIM. You don't ever give up. You can look in the TSO specifications for the test performance requirements. PIA's latest is offline for the moment for some clarification. I don't have an online link to TSO C23d requirments handy. With all of that. If your under 500' I'll assume your dead until you live. If your over 1000' I'll assume your alive unless you die. In between I'll flip a coin. Lower is possible.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #7 November 21, 2008 QuoteI know that variables are present. I am just looked for an average range. For example, a 176 PD Reserve loaded at 1.0. Videos would be very helpful if any can be found! Thank you for your time Here is one that is really low. I think he has a 143r http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=6847&string=markoNever give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #8 November 21, 2008 Are planing to play russian roulette or planing to base jump with PDR? A reserve should be fully deployed in 100m even with no speed at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #9 November 21, 2008 Quote Quote I know that variables are present. I am just looked for an average range. For example, a 176 PD Reserve loaded at 1.0. Videos would be very helpful if any can be found! Thank you for your time Here is one that is really low. I think he has a 143r http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=6847&string=marko First, Hey all! After visiting this site every day the past six months I finally registerd I think this is a lower pull, almost scary just looking at it. http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1199&string=lowpull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #10 November 21, 2008 At terminal, about 500 feet. With a canopy transfer, about 200 feet. With a Skyhook, around 100 feet. (Jumpshack used to have an ad that stated their container would get you an open reserve in 64 feet. I never really believed them.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficus 0 #11 November 21, 2008 QuoteWith a Skyhook, around 100 feet. How can this be? Didn't the guys who did this in the Skyhook demo video have their reserves packed slider-down? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #12 November 21, 2008 >How can this be? I've done slider-up BASE jumps with PCA and gotten an open canopy within about 100 feet. Needless to say, _relying_ on such performance would be a very, very bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #13 November 21, 2008 QuoteI've done slider-up BASE jumps with PCA Wow Bill. There is one thing I like about you. Although whoever made you PCA slider-up should be skinned.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #14 November 21, 2008 >Although whoever made you PCA slider-up should be skinned. That would be me; too lazy to repack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #15 November 21, 2008 Word.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #16 November 21, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I know that variables are present. I am just looked for an average range. For example, a 176 PD Reserve loaded at 1.0. Videos would be very helpful if any can be found! Thank you for your time Here is one that is really low. I think he has a 143r http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=6847&string=marko First, Hey all! After visiting this site every day the past six months I finally registerd I think this is a lower pull, almost scary just looking at it. http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1199&string=lowpull Yep that's a low one lolNever give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomslang 0 #17 November 21, 2008 Wow Thanks for the video!Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #18 November 22, 2008 I looked at the deployment data for 2 subterminal reserve rides with an altitrack. One opened in 330' the other one in 300'. The second was a spinner. I judged the open point to be when the rate of descent stops decreasing. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomslang 0 #19 November 22, 2008 Thanks MichaelCats land on their feet. Toast lands jellyside down. A cat glued to some jelly toast will hover in quantum indecision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #20 November 24, 2008 Quote Quote I know that variables are present. I am just looked for an average range. For example, a 176 PD Reserve loaded at 1.0. Videos would be very helpful if any can be found! Thank you for your time Here is one that is really low. I think he has a 143r http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=6847&string=marko That video never gets old!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fred 0 #21 November 25, 2008 Quote That video never gets old! Is there further analysis of this video here? It looks to me like the malfunction started because one of his toggles came detached. Or is there another explanation for why his sharp turn suddenly became line twists? It doesn't look like he let go with either hand, but the sound and reaction of the canopy makes me think that one of his steering lines was released. He does something else very well. After he cuts away and his reserve inflates, he spends a bit of time trying to organize his handles. That might not have been the best idea. But once he realizes that he doesn't have time, he uses his rear riser to turn. He then pulls his reserve toggles, but doesn't let them up. He does a flat turn and lands. He could have been in much worse shape if he'd let his reserve toggles go back up as his canopy would have likely dove into the ground. Seems like a couple things went wrong during this landing, and he did a bunch of things right, from my amateur opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #22 November 25, 2008 Yes this video has been discussed on here. The guy that is on that video's name and/or screen name is marco i beleive. If i recall corectlly he was on DZ.com before that asking for opinion's about wing loading while having low jump numbers. He had a sky god attitude and would not listen to others. Then the incident in this video happened. That is why i say it never gets old. It is the perfect example of someone not listening and almost getting hurt. Good think he didn't get hurt! Hopefully someone can point to both threads.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #23 November 25, 2008 I like very much your approach which is a scientific one. The only way to get figures we can trust.Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #24 November 25, 2008 It was this gentleman : http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=markovwgti; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #25 November 25, 2008 QuoteHopefully someone can point to both threads. here you go http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3119689;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
