Bart13 0 #1 April 16, 2005 I'm getting ready to order my first rig and will be ordering the harness & container from Wings. One option they offer is the articulated harness. Anyone out there familiar with this? I'd appreciate hearing the pros/cons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #2 April 16, 2005 Wings articulated harness only includes hip rings. Hip rings are more comfortable when walking to the airplane, when stuffing big guys into small airplanes and allow greater flexibility in freefall. Hip rings are pretty much the norm these days. While other manufacturers may offer chst rings, improvements in yoke design have decreased most of the advantages attributed to chest rings. All the Wings introduced to my DZ over the last three years have hip rings and all their owners brag about how comfortable they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #3 April 16, 2005 What Rob said. You really should talk to and seek advice from the up-jumpers at your DZ before dropping a few thou for a new rig. They can not only answer questions like yours but supply answers to questions that you won't even know to ask.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #4 April 16, 2005 QuoteOne option they offer is the articulated harness spend the exta $$$ and get the articulating harness. there are only pros, no cons IMO.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #5 April 17, 2005 Get the cut in laterals too. I've had many different rigs over the years, but my Wings rig is so comfortable, I wish I had gotten one sooner. Oh, and make sure a Wings dealer does your measurements.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,053 #6 April 17, 2005 Enjoy your new wings. Get the articulated hip rings.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #7 April 19, 2005 QuoteWings articulated harness only includes hip rings. Hip rings are more comfortable when walking to the airplane, when stuffing big guys into small airplanes and allow greater flexibility in freefall. I have a Wings too, soooooo comfy!!! I can even stretch with ease and move around in the plane so much more better with my articulated Wings. Enjoy! Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbennettjr 0 #8 April 19, 2005 Get the rings. They should stop making hip rings an option. Just make them standard. Way too comfortable. I love my Wings. chuck Canis meus id comedit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #9 April 19, 2005 QuoteGet the cut in laterals too. If you have these or get them, make sure the mod has been done to remove the catch on the bottom corners of the reserve pack tray.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #10 April 19, 2005 Pro: cheaper maintenance for the harness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #11 April 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteGet the cut in laterals too. If you have these or get them, make sure the mod has been done to remove the catch on the bottom corners of the reserve pack tray. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Line guides" are another option that should be removed from the "options" list and moved to the "standard features" list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #12 April 19, 2005 I got a Wings with articulated and cut in. It fits like a glove but I think articulation makes bigger of a differece in larger people. Honestly I cannot tell much differece between articulated vs. non articulated in term of fit and comfort but I am very skinny. I know other skinny skydivers came to the same conclusions. By the way the Wings articulation is IMO the simplest and best design out there.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #13 April 19, 2005 QuotePro: cheaper maintenance for the harness. Could you explain please? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #14 April 19, 2005 If some part of the harmness is to be replaced it can be done or it can be done easily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1shlips 2 #15 April 19, 2005 It doesn't look easier, It looks to me like there is extra joints and buffers aroud the ring. I assume that adds up to more sewing than a non articulated. I would think it's just a different kind of difficult than a non articulated harness.-- drop zone (drop'zone) n. An incestuous sesspool of broken people. -- Attributed to a whuffo girlfriend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #16 April 19, 2005 Think again. How many webbing is meeting in a normal harness? 3. If one of them to be replaced all should be sewn back again. How about the articulated harness? 1 for 1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #17 April 19, 2005 QuoteThink again. How many webbing is meeting in a normal harness? 3. If one of them to be replaced all should be sewn back again. How about the articulated harness? 1 for 1. I don't think that is called “maintenance", it is called major repair. Would be 6 of one half dozen of the other. Have you ever done work on a harness?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #18 April 20, 2005 Quote"Line guides" are another option that should be removed from the "options" list and moved to the "standard features" list. "Option"? They've been doing this mod for free on request because they know it is a potentially fatal design flaw. If the main suspension lines go under the "catch" on the reserve pack tray lower corners on the rigs with cut in laterals, there is a chance that they will tear the reserve pack tray off the harness on deployment. I just had a customer send a rig to them about four weeks ago. He paid the shipping there. They did the mod at no charge and paid the return shipping.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #19 April 20, 2005 QuoteIf the main suspension lines go under the "catch" on the reserve pack tray lower corners on the rigs with cut in laterals... What difference lateral cut makes here? Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #20 April 20, 2005 Ah, I`m sorry for confusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #21 April 20, 2005 QuoteQuote"Line guides" are another option that should be removed from the "options" list and moved to the "standard features" list. "Option"? They've been doing this mod for free on request because they know it is a potentially fatal design flaw. If the main suspension lines go under the "catch" on the reserve pack tray lower corners on the rigs with cut in laterals, there is a chance that they will tear the reserve pack tray off the harness on deployment. I just had a customer send a rig to them about four weeks ago. He paid the shipping there. They did the mod at no charge and paid the return shipping. Why would that be an issue only on the rigs with cut in lats?? What stops the lines catching on the rigs without cutins?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #22 April 20, 2005 The fact that the corner is not exposed. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #23 April 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote"Line guides" are another option that should be removed from the "options" list and moved to the "standard features" list. "Option"? They've been doing this mod for free on request because they know it is a potentially fatal design flaw. If the main suspension lines go under the "catch" on the reserve pack tray lower corners on the rigs with cut in laterals, there is a chance that they will tear the reserve pack tray off the harness on deployment. I just had a customer send a rig to them about four weeks ago. He paid the shipping there. They did the mod at no charge and paid the return shipping. Why would that be an issue only on the rigs with cut in lats?? What stops the lines catching on the rigs without cutins? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? I have repaired Talons and Sidewinders that suffered that damage. Also seen Vectors and Javelins with their reserve containers half torn off!!! None of the torn rigs had hip rings. Afte tiring of repairing (2) torn Sidewinders, I talked the manufacturer into adding line guides to new Sidewinders. They also sent me a pattern to retrofit line guides to all of our Student Sidewinders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #24 April 20, 2005 QuoteThink again. How many webbing is meeting in a normal harness? 3. If one of them to be replaced all should be sewn back again. How about the articulated harness? 1 for 1. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ringed harnesses are more expensive to build because you have to sew 3 or 4 joints at the hip instead of the single stitch pattern on a straight harness. However, repairs become easier because it is easier to simply cut off the damaged piece of webbing and sew on a new piece, instead of slowly un-picking all the stitches and trying to salvage three or four other pieces of webbing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #25 April 21, 2005 QuoteWhat difference lateral cut makes here? Compare a Wings that does not have the lateral cuts with one that does. The way the corner is sewn with the cuts creates a "catch" that is not there on the others. It is mostly a careless packing issue. If you are in the habit of wrapping your excess lines around the bottom of the reserve pack tray instead of down the sides of the main pack tray to its' bottom, then you run an increased risk of off heading openings, line twist, spinning mals, or tearing off the reserve pack tray.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
