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QuoteQuoteQuote-there's always someone who cares and
-there's always people left behind who suffer even more because of such an action.
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Neither of which are reasons to keep living the hell that severe depression brings.
I agree.
I hate when people say it's so selfish of someone to commit suicide because of the people they leave behind. To me it's selfish of the "people left behind" to think they're more important. If someone is truly in that much pain and chooses to die, they should have that option.
Having just lost my brother in law to suicide in a most bizarre and twisted manner - having a DVD of his death made by his girlfriend and mailed to his 12 year old daughter and ex wife as a "goodbye" message from dad it was the most selfish and twisted act that I have ever come across. I am not denying that he was seriously mentally ill - but he has caused severe mental harm to 3 or 4 children (he had 5 - but I am not sure the youngest comprehend what went on) not to mention the stuff that he video'd and sent to other members of the family. I am not sure that what he did was forgiveable and I have no sympathy for him whatsoever anymore.
In summary I don't believe that depression excuses selfishness - especially when you have children that you have brought into this world.
That's completely twisted and inexcusable but I have to agree with Sunny. Calling someone selfish for taking their life is ridiculous. Basically what you are saying is your happiness (of having them in your life) is more important than their happiness (which the ending of their life will bring). That's selfish.
SarahC07 0
QuoteQuote-there's always someone who cares and
-there's always people left behind who suffer even more because of such an action.
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Neither of which are reasons to keep living the hell that severe depression brings.
I agree.
I hate when people say it's so selfish of someone to commit suicide because of the people they leave behind. To me it's selfish of the "people left behind" to think they're more important. If someone is truly in that much pain and chooses to die, they should have that option.
Agreed.
QuoteIn summary I don't believe that depression excuses selfishness - especially when you have children that you have brought into this world. ]/reply]
Looks to me like you are, one or the other or all of:
a) misinterpreting the intent of the DVD
b) confusing being an asshole with selfishness
c) having no empathy for the guys' state of mind
d) over-reacting
e) giving the kids an impression that supports the idea that whatever he did is mentally damaging them.
f) having trouble dealing with your own emotions about this eventMy reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
Viking 0
JP fucking crazy monkey.
My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin
QuoteI once knew a woman at work whose father shot himself right in front of her and her sister when they were both young girls. He obviously had no right to subject his children to something like that.
So really, your problem is with HOW he did it and I would agree that his method was an asshole way of doing it.
QuoteI've wanted to end my life, but I'm glad I haven't so far. I've got a wife and two daughters who would be devastated if I ever did something like that. And I watched my parents after my brother died of cancer and saw how that tore them apart. They're so much older now, I could NEVER make them have to deal with another one of their children dying, let alone through suicide.
That's nice. "I haven't reached the bottom yet so you must be selfish because you DID reach the bottom."
Nice.
QuotePeople think having rights gives us a blank check to do whatever we want. That simply isn't true, ...
Sorry but it is true. Rights empower us with just that. You must be thinking of trying to extend those rights beyond the boundary of empowerment.
Quote...because everything we do, great or small, has consequences......but we also have the obligation to consider the consequences of what we do.
Hmmmmmm....selfishness....obligations....consequences....where is the line?
Is one supposed to dedicate their entire life to being so considerate of others that there is no room for their own wants and needs?
Is everything we do that is for our own personal benefit/detriment to be deemed a selfish act?
Are we obligated to live in hell because someone else is going to have problems with us leaving?
Are we to be enslaved by potential consequences of our actions?
I hardly think so.
My book reads a bit differently.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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steve1 5
It's interesting how many skydiver have come forth and said that they are suffering from one form of depression or another.
Maybe I'm off on this, but I believe the adrenaline sports have large numbers of depressed people who participate. It's a way of escaping the boredom and pain of depression. Adrenaline is very adictive and can take the place of the numbness of depression.
I too suffer from depression. Right now I'm trying to cope with it with exercise. I hope to get back in the air when the weather improves. Exercise doesn't work as well as medication, but it does help. I think it may have saved my life when I was younger. For many people something as simple as exercise is not enough.
There are a lot of different ant-depressant medications out there. Most have sided affects that may be hard to live with. Welbrutan may have the least, but it may not work very well for many people. The SSRI medications can cause sexual problems in both men and women. This percentage is much higher than thought earlier. Then there are bi-polar medications. Some have down right scary side affects.
Most of my relatives are alcoholics. That is how they cope. Depression is not something you just get over. It doesn't mean you are weak, if you have depression. I wish society would lose that idea.
March is the worst month for suicide according to statistics. Be observant. Most people who commit suicide show signs. You may be able to convince someone to get the help they need. Be a good listener. Most suicidal people need someone to listen. They don't need a truck load of advice.
There was a skydiver from California who was on this site nearly everyday. He left behind two little girls when he committed suicide. It's easy to judge, and say he did the wrong thing. I just wish he could have gotten help in time. Maybe it wouldn't have happened.....
poe62 0
Quoteif you havent been through it, major depression is hell mate..
...and usually it doesnt just go away like that. like all your friends try to make you believe. its truely hell on earth.. i can understand someone trying to finish themselve off just too damn well..
Exactly...I've been through clinical depression too. People don't understand.
I've had 6 friends and a family member who have killed themselves. It breaks my heart. However, calling someone selfish when they take their life because it will hurt those left behind makes no sense to me. Some DO try to get help. Sometimes it just doesn't work. I agree with others who have said someone who suffers in life so much to stay around for more pain because it will hurt others is selfish on their end. I know that doesn't make sense to some people...
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elias123 0
Quotea 'coward's way' of dealing with life
there are so many people who care for you, you still feel you can't share your feelings and ask for help. Why go to such an extreme!? So what if life isn't going the way you want it? At least it's still life!!!!
that there's always someone who cares and there's always people left behind who suffer even more because of such an action. Sheesh!
Giving up should never be an option
Some people, and I'm not being personal here, can't/won't/will never understand.
Weird this topic comes up here today, this way...WaltAppel and I had a long conversation about the subject this weekend.
Bottom line IMO...committing suicide, for reasons other than ending a painful terminal illness, is the ultimate display of loosing control of a mental illness.
If a person's depression pushes them to a point of taking their own life, how can anyone else attempt to make a judgement regarding the manner of the event, or 'truly' understand the reasons or motivation.
You can't blame a crazy person for doing something crazy.
You can try to understand, you can mourn their senseless loss, you can wonder if you could have done something to stop it...but don't blame them for their illness.
Hitting the off switch is a last act of 'control', by a person that for whatever reason... feels they've lost control of things when the switch on 'on'.
For many people it's not a question of 'why' to commit suicide...but a question of 'why not'. ~ there is a difference, and it's a considerable one.
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
Having just lost my brother in law to suicide in a most bizarre and twisted manner - having a DVD of his death made by his girlfriend and mailed to his 12 year old daughter and ex wife as a "goodbye" message from dad it was the most selfish and twisted act that I have ever come across. I am not denying that he was seriously mentally ill - but he has caused severe mental harm to 3 or 4 children (he had 5 - but I am not sure the youngest comprehend what went on) not to mention the stuff that he video'd and sent to other members of the family. I am not sure that what he did was forgiveable and I have no sympathy for him whatsoever anymore.
In summary I don't believe that depression excuses selfishness - especially when you have children that you have brought into this world.
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