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QuoteDoes the rigger some how feel "X" rig is less safe and that the customers life is in jeopardy
No.
Quoteor has he just come to an unsupported opinion about the rig
It is a supported opinion. His.
Quotethere for the customer should now have to pay extra?
It's that riggers business. Is it ethical that you pay more for a can of Coke, vs. a can or the supermarket brand soda?
Quotethis does not give us the right to gouge them simply because they have a limited idea about what we do or how long it took to get good at it.
Sure it does. I know several people with rigging tickets who don't work as riggers. When that odd person is out of date by 2 days on Saturday morning and the loft is busy, they beg and beg, and beg these people to pack them up. These people got their ticket to work on their own gear, they worked as riggers for a while, and don't want to do it anymore. Is it wrong that they will charge more for a Saturday morning pack job that the loft. when the only other option it the jumper staying on the ground? I don't think so.
You can pick 2 of the following but not all three.
Inexpensive.
Quality.
Speed.
QuoteThat kind of animosity between service provider and customer is not sustainable and will break down sooner than later.
The point is the people above don't care, they are not running businesses, or if they are, they are for specific people/situations. When asked to run their business in another way, they are now being slamed for it? I don't thinks so.
You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
QuoteJust an analogy.
A pretty poor one.
First of all the AFF instructor usually doesn't own the business, and can't set the rates. It's more frequent that riggers do.
Second, poor students do pay more. They do more repeatitive levels.
Third, you are assuming that a rigger WANTS to pack every rig on the market, AND the ones charging more for specific types don't have the skill to pack them.
You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad
judgment.
Hooknswoop 19
QuoteIf the lot of skydivers would get off their asses and get fucking rigging tickets or look into what it really takes to beable to do the job right, maybe, just maybe they'd have some understanding of things.
I've seen sevaeral that wanted to and started, but when they realized how much work and time it is, they quit.
Some rigs are harder than others to pack. That is a fact. Rigs are different and some are going to be harder than others. Riggers can compensate by packing a lot of them and learning tricks to make them easier, but that doesn't mean the rig is easier, just easier for that rigger. Just like some 4-way blocks are harder than others. A team can learn better ways and tricks to dong the block easier, but it remains that some blocks are harder than others.
I don't charge any different for different rigs, but I don't think that riggers that do are wrong.
Derek
fcajump 153
I have no problem with those who charge what they want for their work. (In this area we have no shortage of riggers "next door") They learned the skill and will either charge correctly or loose business. Simple as that.
I do have a problem with riggers that undercut the market either because they don't place value in their own time, or because they are cheap for cheap work. But I also see this as MY problem as long as the other guy's work is not specifically unsafe (just might not be something I would put my seal on...)
WARNING - THE FOLLOWING IS A JOKE:
There is no need to worry about a tight packjob, if you have a customer that buys mis-matched gear, just trim off anything that doesn't fit...
THE PRECEDING WAS A (weak) ATTEMPT AT HUMOR. We now return you to your regularly scheduled endless and unresolvable debate.
JW
PS - learned just to work on my own gear. When asked, I set my prices high. Consequently I have more work than I have time for... time to raise my prices I guess.
Kudos to you man......
You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
riggerrob 558
Either that or we are tired of listening to skydivers whine about subjects that they do not understand.
Perhaps I should raise my prices - across the board - as I have far more rigging than one man can handle ... and my boss just promised that I would repair another batch of Student Javelins with frayed MLWs.
Argh!
Time to put down the keyboard and pick up the sewing machine.
QuotePerhaps I should raise my prices - across the board -
Exactly. Would anyone be complaining if riggers were advetising "discount for brand "X" rig, because I like them?"
You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
billvon 2,417
>more rigging than one man can handle .
Amy did that. She used to charge $20 for main inspect/repack, and she was getting sick of packing mains. So she raised the price. People heard about that and thought "wow, she must be really thorough" and MORE people wanted main inspections/repacks. So beware! Things don't always have the effect you think they will.
I have to disagree with the Ford/Chevy thing. If I change the belt(or whatever) on the Ford, it might be straight forward and take 15 minutes. On the other hand. The Chevy might require me to drop the radiator, remove the alternator etc. to do the same operation. They are not equal. Hell, a Ford pickup with a V6 might take half as long as one with a turbo diesel.
If my rigger raised his prices Id pay it. Would I pay half that to someone that IMO wasnt as good. Not a chance.
QuoteShe used to charge $20 for main inspect/repack, and she was getting sick of packing mains.
As a rigger, she is held to the same standard on the main as she is on a reserve. She should charge the same for both. I do.
Sparky
Pablito 0
Thanks for teaching me that long time ago (Remember at the Holiday boogie 3 years Ago)
Since then I've learned lots, but the more that i learned the more I realized the less that I know.
One of the tricks that I learned is to see as many riggers do their job, and I learned new ways to see the puzzle, when I do repairs is the same.
But for pack jobs I will believe that we should charge more for the repacks that require more tools, cause that is more tools we need to keep in mind. (Just kidding)
"If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first"
Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito
QuoteA rigger who charges more to pack a Racer or Refelx for instance is in my eyes unethical.
What about a rigger who simply refuses to pack them? I have a friend who simply won't pack Racers...those customers get sent elsewhere.
Blues,
Dave
(drink Mountain Dew)
councilman24 36
If I wouldn't wear it and want to use it, I probably don't want my name on it. My choice.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE
It is no different with rigging.
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Good point.
Every rig is a puzzle.
The problem is that not all the parts/tricks are mentioned in the packing manual.
For example, I hated packing Racers until a German rigger suggested ghost loops. Unfortunately it took the Racer factory another decade before they started giving out free ghost loops.
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