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QuoteQuotein cases where horseshoe cannot be solved, standard reserve procedure says: cut main+pull reserve.
If we cut main in this situation there is still a big chance that it will remain attached to the other point (of horseshoe). When the reserve is deployed the chances of main-reserve entanglement are huge!
Is this correct reasoning?
Yes.
Now you know why a horseshoe is a skydiver's worst nightmare.
It may happen that the cutaway main may disentangle itself on cutaway...odds are small but it has happened.
What causes horseshoe mals is:
1. Improper main deployment throw-out
2. Bad body position at opening
3. Poor gear maintenance
Prevention options are:
1. Proper throw for a throw-out system
2. Ripcord system where there's no throw involved.
3. Good body position at opening
4. Proper gear maintenance
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IOW
If you take care of all the little maintenance issues, the big problems will take care of themselves.
Andy9o8 0
Quotethe correct term is "Breakaway".
I only know one person who uses that term with regularity, and he plays a Gretsch Billy-Bo.
talon2 0
As well as the riser cover issue. rigs with the rings and risers snug to your shoulders can hang up because the rings will not flip through each other until your shoulders achieve some degree of movement toward the vertical .
BrianM 1
Quotethe reason you chop a shoe is because there is a chance that maybe increasing the tension on the other point of attachment might clear it, and with the risers disconnected you won't have a 2 out deployment scenario.
I think the biggest reason for chopping a horseshoe is so you don't have the main spanning the reserve container, which almost guarantees a main/reserve entanglement. If you eliminate one of the attachment points by cutting away, the reserve deploys beside the main instead of into it, and gives you a better chance of a clean reserve deployment.
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Skyper 0
Thaks Brian, it makes sense. If only one point is attached after cut off the chances for entanglement are smaller.
And regarding the low preasure on three ring system and risers in the case of horseshoe. The reserve procedure should be something like: check altimeter, cut main, release risers manualy, pull reserve.
if too low, just stanard procedure cut main + pull reserve.
And regarding the low preasure on three ring system and risers in the case of horseshoe. The reserve procedure should be something like: check altimeter, cut main, release risers manualy, pull reserve.
if too low, just stanard procedure cut main + pull reserve.
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And regarding the low preasure on three ring system and risers in the case of horseshoe. The reserve procedure should be something like: check altimeter, cut main, release risers manualy, pull reserve.
if too low, just stanard procedure cut main + pull reserve.
Please practice this on the ground if you're going to use this as your emergency procedures for a horseshoe. It is not the best idea to have differing emergency procedures for different scenerios, because things happen FAST with high speed mals.
Adding tasks in between your cutaway and reserve pull aren't usually a good idea, as it is much better to get a reserve over your head than to ride a high speed mal into the ground because you were trying to get clear space to fire your reserve.
That being said, I had a non-traditional horseshoe last year. Ever since I was a student I had always rehearsed in my head that in the case of a horseshoe I would cutaway, manually release risers and pull the reserve. It is extremely difficult to manually release your risers in freefall, especially if you have riser covers that don't leave a lot of the riser exposed. I know this because I wasn't able to clear both my risers in freefall before I HAD to pull my reserve.
The good thing is that the modern reserve extraction system is pretty resiliant, but it still doesn't make it any less of a dangerous situation.
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And regarding the low preasure on three ring system and risers in the case of horseshoe. The reserve procedure should be something like: check altimeter, cut main, release risers manualy, pull reserve.
if too low, just stanard procedure cut main + pull reserve.
Please practice this on the ground if you're going to use this as your emergency procedures for a horseshoe. It is not the best idea to have differing emergency procedures for different scenerios, because things happen FAST with high speed mals.
Adding tasks in between your cutaway and reserve pull aren't usually a good idea, as it is much better to get a reserve over your head than to ride a high speed mal into the ground because you were trying to get clear space to fire your reserve.
That being said, I had a non-traditional horseshoe last year. Ever since I was a student I had always rehearsed in my head that in the case of a horseshoe I would cutaway, manually release risers and pull the reserve. It is extremely difficult to manually release your risers in freefall, especially if you have riser covers that don't leave a lot of the riser exposed. I know this because I wasn't able to clear both my risers in freefall before I HAD to pull my reserve.
The good thing is that the modern reserve extraction system is pretty resiliant, but it still doesn't make it any less of a dangerous situation.
thank u for advice. I'll practice it on the ground.
How did your hourseshoe ended?
QuoteQuotethe reason you chop a shoe is because there is a chance that maybe increasing the tension on the other point of attachment might clear it, and with the risers disconnected you won't have a 2 out deployment scenario.
I think the biggest reason for chopping a horseshoe is so you don't have the main spanning the reserve container, which almost guarantees a main/reserve entanglement. If you eliminate one of the attachment points by cutting away, the reserve deploys beside the main instead of into it, and gives you a better chance of a clean reserve deployment.
That's what I was saying, just not as clearly as you described it...thanks.
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And the correct term is "Breakaway".
No it's not. He's Dutch. And if the British can talk about RAPS instead of whatever the hell the American term is, WE are allowed to talk about our reserve procedures.
OP, as you haven't filled out your profile, I'm assuming you haven't got a lot of experience. Hence, I agree with Surfgrl1. Do not rehearse different reserve procedures for different scenarios. Stick to what you're taught - it offers the most chance of getting down alive.
Yadda yadda internet advice blah blah root of all evil. So at the very least consult an instructor who knows a lot about this kind of thing - face to face, that is.
"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport."
~mom
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QuoteNo it's not. He's Dutch. And if the British can talk about RAPS instead of whatever the hell the American term is, WE are allowed to talk about our reserve procedures.
Since the designer, inventor, and patent holder of the three ring system has coined the term "Breakaway" I'd say the appropriate term is Breakaway.
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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
nt8us 0
it wasnt bill booth who coined the term" breakaway." it has been around almost as long as 1 1/2 shot capewells(like since 1964 or so) have been used on sport rigs. but the term cutaway is still the common coloquialism(sp)
JerryBaumchen 1,048
Hi nt8us,
Actually longer than 1 1/2 shots. I started in early '64 and we used both terms then.
~1966 I wrote to USPA ( PCA in those days ) about doing a cutaway jump and they responded that 'cutaways,' where you actually cut the lines away were not allowed but a breakaway using proper equipment would be allowed.
Semantics - sheesh; and the arguments go on . . .
JerryBaumchen
Actually longer than 1 1/2 shots. I started in early '64 and we used both terms then.
~1966 I wrote to USPA ( PCA in those days ) about doing a cutaway jump and they responded that 'cutaways,' where you actually cut the lines away were not allowed but a breakaway using proper equipment would be allowed.
Semantics - sheesh; and the arguments go on . . .
JerryBaumchen
ohh, is it!?
Next time I'll take condoms with me
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